Silver, don't save the file. if you're using IE and you 'have to', jus download and install firefox, it's seriously short, and mark it as your firefox homepage. then use it only when you want to play

Background 2 results in an all-black background and then gives you a shockwave error after a few frames. I'm not giving you $5, though.

EDIT:
- Invalid Terrain Types either crash ASAP or as soon as it tries to load the preview for any terrain. I didn't bother to check which.
- Invalid Water Types crash while loading the preview, as soon as it hits the water level. Water taps will crash after they run for a bit, IDK exactly how much. The water that was supposed to appear from them will not appear and the trails they leave when they fall will only have the white line and no colour.

Now you know. :p

EDIT:
- Lol, I just loaded up Shos' "The Crazy MAZE". Big mistake on my part. But yeah you can load very large levels with this. I pasted three of Shos' giant cave on top of each other and it loaded after a minute or two.
- Also, multiple starting positions works like multiple doors, meaning on the last one in reading order worked.
- Multiple Water Levels work just fine as far as I can tell. You basically get a line of air pocket going all the way across the cave when the second one is reached. Two water levels on the same row are indiscernible from one. Taps that fall into a pool w/ multiple water levels on different rows appear not to function (the same occurs if you drop a tap into a pool with a line of air pockets all the way across), though they can rise up through them.

You can change what appears to be the version number in the URL (the v9) to v8, v10, or v11. Changing it to v8 causes a shockwave error (and the menu doesn't have an Option button). v10 it loads fine, but then crashes when you try to load a level. v11 works, and it displays the the level code in a dialogue box before it loads. Didn't notice any other differences from v9 though.

okay, I want you to explain everything you said in the last edit.

HOW did you upload them? and can you give me screenshots for the water stuff? I didn't get it. well some of it.

If you hurry you can get v8 to load a level before it crashes, but you won't be able to play it.

Anyway, if you guys want to know how I got HATPC to load w/e I wanted I guess I could post some steps. It was surprisingly simple. I'm sure it's possible to work something out where you could, like, paste in some code into Fiddler and then you could type in whatever level ID from the interguild that you wanted, and have it load that instead, but I don't really feel like learning how to do that (the automatically added slashes in the txt files in our levels/levels/ folder complicate the problem).

Since you can load levels larger than 8000 tiles now, I guess I should at least allow a "continue anyway" button when my cavemaker tells you your level is too big.

it also give you a dialogue box for the error of a level that does not exist.

Error;Requested user map does not exist.

"error, you are stupid", anyone?


also, about v8, you can rightclick and restart and pause the game, even after shockwave error has appeared. this is interesting - perhaps this was their test version of hatpc, before release? sort of beta? it's v8 while the playable is 9, so that's logic. perhaps they tested stuff every time they updated/released a new version? aka - they 'corrected' the " problem causing us the ladder glitches, then corrected that to the existing < > glitch, perhaps every change was a version? 1-7 don't exist anymore, although I suspect the number that appears in the adress after the version. what does it mean? I'll try to research. note the g349? *opens neopets* game 349 is hatpc! surprising. btw, did you see that you can log into neopets using facebook? anyways, what if there are versions of hatic too? that's game 473 - perhaps there's a level builder?

anyways - current problem is what do the 99392 mean?

http://www.neopets.com/wheel_load_xml.phtml?wheel_id=monotony&random=844944

look at the buttom. neopets seems to have kept versions for each and every picture and flash object they had. so they must have deleted versions 1-7? or perhaps we need to change the last number to use them? maybe we can get to the first ever, not uploader glitched, version of the game?

Shos:

There's a program called "Fiddler". It was pretty simple to just add a break point for the pirate_level_load page and then paste whatever level code I wanted into the response. Recap of what stuff that you couldn't get past the upload before does:

- Invalid Terrain Type: Either crashes as soon as it reads the terrain type or crashes as soon as it tries to load any terrain.
- Invalid Background Type: Background is all black. Crashes after a second.
- Invalid Water Type: Crashes as soon as it tries to load a water level. Water taps will load but will not function. Let them run a few seconds or break a few water crates and it will crash. The stream of a water tap is falling is visible, but only the white line.
- Multiple Starting Positions: Only the last starting position in reading order will function, though all of them will appear on the map.
- Multiple Water Levels: Appear to function pretty much like you would expect, essentially creating a row of air pockets starting at where the 2nd water level is placed. Could potentially see use in a cave in order to have an object inside of an air pocket at the very start, but I can't really see that being worth the trouble.
- Especially Large/Small Levels: Load correctly.
- Titles: You can put anything you want. Blank title works fine. Really long title pushes "press jump to start" downward. Not really sure if there's a limit to how long of a title you could use. If you want, you can have the game tell you that it couldn't load the level because you're too stupid using the error; thing.


V8 doesn't have an options menu. My guess is that it's the version we used to play on before they added it. Why does it crash now is hard to say. Perhaps it was actually v7 that we used to play and v8 was some intermediate version before the game was updated? Perhaps v8 is expecting the options be provided to it, rather than as an in-game menu? Maybe it crashes for the same reason v10 does? IDK. I guess it's possible that the final number might be different on versions 1-7 and that they still exist. At some point they added a Cave of the Week menu as well, but none of these versions lack that menu.

The uploader glitch is a problem with the uploader, not the game itself. You can use Fiddler to bypass the uploader and play caves that would normally be glitched.

well. this method should definitely be updated somewhere on the site for us to try it. the Volcano I made has some part which I definitely want to see if it works. I was such a noob back then, but the map should be good nonetheless

about the title, that's just funny to test. and about the water, it could also be used like this -

second edit(out of lazyness) - the Ts should be ~s lol
to make water level per-area without water drain or floorless areas.

edit:

or like this, it's better lol

Lol so I guess you could put a water level at the top, and then somewhere in the middle you have like 20 water levels so there's no water at all in the middle of the cave, or a line of water levels down the middle so there's no water on the right half. That would work, but, you'd have all these lines of water everywhere and it'd looks stupid, lol.

Liar!

CSD, you should absolutely create a step-by-guide to using Fiddler, and post it as a guide, for stickiness and epic revival of HatPC, not only restoring it to the level it was at prior to the great uploader glitch, but actually taking it further.

thomas, you totally deserve that lotsakarma! look what you did!

I'm browsing through certain codes from neopets, and look at the amazing programing! woah!

if (val==1){
				x_pos=2;
			}else if (val==2){
				x_pos=13;
			}else if (val==3){
				x_pos=25;
			}else if (val==4){
				x_pos=37;
			}else if (val==5){
				x_pos=49;
			}else if (val==6){
				x_pos=61;
			}else if (val==7){
				x_pos=73;
			}else if (val==8){
				x_pos=85;
			}else if (val==9){
				x_pos=97;
			}else if (val==10){
				x_pos=109;
			}

clearly, all those elses are a must this is just an example, their programming looks like it's been made by a highschool kid.

So look:

url = NP_getUrl(size, quality);
		params = getParams(size);
					newWin = window.open(url, 349, params);
			newWin.focus();
			return true;

the NP_getUrl function was defined earlier, without any focus on game 349; so what I understand here is that the second parameter in window.open is the game number, meaning either the 99392 is integrated inside the function, or the game does not use our newly found URL to launch the game. ideas?


edit:

url = NP_getUrl(size, quality);
		params = getParams(size);
					newWin = window.open(url, 473, params);
			newWin.focus();
			return true;

  that's the hatic playgame function. exactly the same. what does that number meannnn

There's still the problem that if Neopets ever takes down HATPC, we can't play it b/c it's "Not in the intended location".

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One time:
Step 1: Download Fiddler
Step 2: Install Fiddler

Every time you start Fiddler:
Step 3: Type    into the black bar at the bottom left.
Step 4: Click "TextView" on the tabs on the lower half of the right side.

For every cave you want to load:
Step 5: Attempt to load a level (one that doesn't exist is fine).
Step 6: Find the http request for pirate_level_load on the list to the left (it's probably the bottom one).
Step 7: Click "Break on Response" (middle-right).
Step 8: Replace the contents of the lower text-box with the cave you want to load.
Step 9: Click "Run to Completion".

A convenient method could probably be made so that you could load levels without having to repeat those steps every time, but it would take some work to do and IDK what the set-up would be like on your end.


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What the hell is that from? What's so hard about x_pos = (val * 12) - 11 :S

lol csd, even better XD I didn't bother, I just said they suck for the elses here..but there are plenty of other places as well.. nevermind..I can't find anything related to that number. ima give up for tonight. =\  

Absolutely amazing. I tried loading NWUE 2 and it worked perfectly. Thanks a lot.

You should post this as a standalone post, because this allows everyone to get around the uploader glitch.

This thread has quickly turned from useful to the best thread on the entire site. Thomas and CSD, you both deserve angels to sing your names for all eternity. Not only can we now get around the Uploader Shockwave Error and work around the Uploader Glitch, we can now actually do more in our levels than ever before. Words can't express what I'm feeling right now.

Did I miss something? From what Jell said, it sounded like we discovered something new besides the Uploader Glitch/Shockwave stuff. But everything I read that you guys tampered with resulted in shockwave errors. Can someone give a simplified explanation of what's been discovered or a screenie?

By following CSD's guide, you can now upload levels as previously (pre-2008), independent of uploader glitches. You can also load really small or really big levels, and you can have multiple water levels, which is a new feature with unique uses.

In general it sounds like CSD found a way to play levels without having to upload them to neopets, allowing you to bipass all of the uploader rules, such as size, the uploader glitch, invalid water/terrain/background types, and this also means you can use whatever characters you want for your level's name, if you do it this way.

http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/topic.php?id=6767

Made a short post with quotes by CSD that is stickied for easier access. I'd prefer if discussion was moved there.

/seriousmod

Lol, ok.

Yaya, we're interrupting HATPC's HTTP request to bypass the annoying checks and glitches of the cave uploader. Uploader glitch? Averted. Titles? Put anything. Multiple water levels? Uh... cool? The "new" that was discovered is that you can play caves as large as you can get your computer can handle (the only such cave that really exists at this point is Shos' "Crazy Maze", you can find it in his Cave Gallery on old IG, it's uh... not fun, lol). This idea has been brought up before (Marz or Jebby or somebody first brought it up), but I didn't expect it to be this easy to do...

I'm going to have to make some edits to my cavemaker to account for this. Maybe you'll get to see those long lost bug fixes after all.

Ok, if I were a mod, I would declare December 6 as the official We-just-bypassed-TNT's-filters-how-do-you-feel-about-that day.

complete support here. this week will eternally be remembered. livio has to update his history of the interguild...

My reaction when I read this thread while lurking a few days ago


I probably won't make an Interguild History Part 4 until a few weeks from now, once the high from this has worn off.

Great work guys!