re: Soccer. My reason for not placing too much suspicion on Darvince is because of his initial LYNCH ME post; I guess I was under the impression that scum wouldn't do something that provocative, though now I understand that what happens during RVS mostly stays in RVS? I do agree that he needs to post more, but, unlike RG2 or Mymop, he hasn't done anything actively scummy. But there's a case to be made here: I know that you warned us against trying to take out both of the scum at once, but maybe Darvince is the second member of the scum team (with RG2 being the first). So RG2 is out here behaving like the Archetypical Scum, while Darvince just sits in the background being generally inoffensive and distancing himself from his partner, hoping that'll be enough to lead him to a win. Maybe I'm taking this too seriously, but man, I'd be pretty disappointed if both of the scum turned out to be in the inactive camp.

Also, thanks for pointing out my inexperience. I felt like I was using it as a crutch during my first few posts, so I don't want to mention it too much but I'm definitely not as "fluent" in the mafia lingo as I'd like to be.

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Just a general heads-up: I'm on break right now, so expect my activity to fall off a cliff come Monday when I go back to school. DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU.

Also curious if Rocket Guy has any reasoning behind his vote for me. The way he described it, Darvince and I were equally suspicious to him, except Darvince was a little more active recently, so he chose me kinda arbitrarily. I admittedly haven't been as active as some others here, but I think I've made enough posts that you could mention something specific that led you to your decision.

Same with me. Right now I'm trying to post twice each day, but starting next week I'll be unlikely to keep that up except on weekends.

Aside from that, since Isa isn't able to continue playing, what exactly happens? Do we treat things as though he was never in the game in the first place? Or does someone else take over his role? Isa's request for Shos to replace him (and Shos' reply) lead me to think the latter is more likely, but if so, who will take his place?  

I'd also like to hear something from Darvince (not really sure what in particular, but saying anything is better than saying nothing— perhaps a read list would be good).

However, I don't believe that putting pressure on him will encourage activity. While it is true that if he sees that people are voting for him then he'll be more likely to give an explanation, if he's unable to come on the Interguild (or just forgot about it) then there's no way he could know about people voting for him in the first place.  

To clarify that last point, what I mean is that if Darvince doesn't look at any of the new posts (which he probably hasn't, since he was last online about 48 hours ago) then putting pressure on him won't accomplish anything, so there's not much point in doing it.  

VC will come soon. Krotomo replaces Isa! Thanks!

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends in: February 28, 4:00 a.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

Mymop (1) - Krotomo
Rocketguy (4) - aych bee, Darvince, atvelonis, Jorster
atvelonis (1) - Rocketguy
Darvince (2) - Soccerboy, Yimmy

NOT VOTING:
Mymop

Nobody is due prods.

KROTOMO has replaced Isa. Thanks!

I voted for Rocket Guy in my read list comment, easy to miss though.

Jory also voted for Rocket Guy, meaning that the latter is at L-1 atm

Alright, Krotomo, please read through the game thus far if you will, and post a readlist and thoughts. I'd also like to see some observations from Darvince and everyone else not super active. Let's keep it going fellas

Those are true, updated.

It seems that everyone's votes for RG and Darvince are more for pressure than for actual lynching. I'm not extremely eager about a lynch but, both of them have been online in the last day and therefore should have seen all the recent posts but have made no attempts to defend themselves. Given that the general consensus seems to be that RG is the most likely person to be scum, and right now he's one vote away from death, should we go ahead and lynch him?  

No, we don't want the day to end early unless we're fairly certain someone is scum. I'd like to see some posts from the inactives and from Krotomo before we even think about lynching someone

Yimmy, Rocket guy, Soccerboy and darvince have been prodded.

what has mymop done that's actively scummy?

RG and Darvince really nned to get in the game.

hopefully i'll have more to say come kro's post

Ok, let's hope they get around to posting soon.  

Main thing that comes to mind is the random Julius Caesar reference about bloodthirsty mobs, but that was a while ago and, looking back, it could've been chalked up to inexperience.

Also, yeah, I was waiting for Darvince to be prodded. I think RG2's basically given up by this point but I really want Darvince to say something.

Sorry for my lack of comments.

HB is scum. She was the first person to vote against rocketguy on page 3, who is now very close to getting lynched, and did so based off of limited evidence, citing his "attempting to draw attention away from himself by making generic comments." While from my impression this frivolous voting is not so strange early on in a Mafia match, she has consistently repeated her opinion that rocketguy is scum, or has in some other way mentioned or judged him in a negative way in nearly all over her posts since that vote.

However, despite this seemingly strong conviction towards rocketguy being scum, HB completely flips her position on page 5, saying she is willing to "switch [her] vote to Mymop to bring him to L-1" and remove her vote on rocketguy. The most suspicious thing about this is that on page 4, HB stated that not only does she not believe mymop is scum, but she also thinks it is very unlikely that both rocketguy and mymop are scum. This is a major contradiction: before, she was seemingly certain rocketguy was scum, but suddenly becomes willing to switch her vote to mymop, who according to her own logic cannot be scum if rocketguy is scum. In other words, whether HB votes against someone does not seem to be dependent on whether they are actually scum.


Jorster is scum. While HB is the first one to vote against rocketguy, Jorster is the first one to draw suspicion towards rocketguy. Jorster questions rocketguy as to why he tries to "explain away" Darvince's behavior as an attempt to be "edgy/cool", in regards to Darvince writing "LYNCHME" in his post. In my opinion, this seems like a weak reason to question rocketguy, considering rocketguy is both new to Mafia, and because rocketguy's explanation for Darvince's post makes total sense, at least to me. Jorster is also the second person to vote to lynch rocketguy, doing so immediately after HB, even stating that HB "stole his thunder" by voting before him.

Considering HB and Jorster both had such little evidence to go off of in their votes against rocketguy, it seems very suspicious to me that they would almost simultaneously commit to votes against rocketguy; this leads me to believe that HB and Jorster are scum together, and have been coordinating in order to get rocketguy lynched. There also seem to be strange attempts by HB to artificially distance herself from Jorster, where she even acknowledges how bizarre their early votes were, only to insist that she is now more suspicious of Jorster, despite (as far as I can tell) nobody having brought up these strange early votes thus far. But, as Isa has stated, it might be a bad idea to try to find the entire scum team on the first day.


Darvince is mildly scum due to his inactivity alone.


Atvelonis is also mildly scum due to his inactivity, and the way he seems to agree with people's statements while adding little to discussions. I know him in real life as being an analytical sort of person, so this strikes me as very odd. He has just sort of gone along with the suspicion towards rocketguy, which could be due to his inexperience, but also could be due to him being scum and trying to lay low, while also grabbing up a potential opportunity to lynch a town member early on.


Rocketguy is mildly scum due to his inactivity. However, many of the posts that seem to call rocketguy out for being suspicious could easily be due to inexperience (which I also have, by the way, though I have the advantage of joining in late, and not drawing attention to myself early on with strange noob behavior).


Mymop is mildly scum. Yes, much of what he has said has been "filler". However, knowing mymop in real life, him making references to the French language, his Minecraft builds, and classical antiquity is not at all inconsistent with his personality, and there is the added fact that he is inexperienced with Mafia.


Yimmy is mildly town. He has contributed to discussions meaningfully, and nothing he has done has seemed that suspicious to me. However, there is nothing he has done that makes me think he is necessarily town, either.


Soccerboy is town. What leads me to believe this is that both of his votes, one on Jorster on page 4, and one on Darvince on page 6, have been against members with zero votes. If soccerboy really were scum, it would be advantageous for him to hop on either the rocketguy or the mymop bandwagon, as one of them would have to be town. However, he has avoided doing so. He has generally contributed good analysis, and nothing he has posted has struck me as suspiciously accusatory or an attempt to divert attention, which is something I cannot say about anyone else.



Vote: rocketguy.

While I think HB and Jorster are the most likely scum candidates, I will be casting my vote against rocketguy for strategic reasons. I don't think I will be able to sway the vote against Jorster and HB, and so I vote for rocketguy because I think it will provide us with the most information. If rocketguy is scum, then we can be fairly certain that HB, Jorster and I are not scum, as HB and Jorster have expressed the most suspicion towards rocketguy, and I am casting the fifth vote. If rocketguy is not scum, then that should add even more to my case that HB and Jorster are. Rocketguy is still mildly scum in my eyes, so it is not as if I am voting to lynch someone I know is town. Furthermore, this vote should eliminate any suspicion that I am somehow attempting to defend rocketguy with my suspicion towards HB and Jorster.

Welp, I'm getting lynched.

It's been fun, but unless someone unvote's that's me gone.

Sorry for being inactive recently, I wish I had a good excuse, but I honestly don;t

haha nice hammer kro


so your argument here is that he asked a question you wouldn't have??? yeah that's reasonable he's obvscum

y'know what'd give us more info? another week of discussion.

no that's an entirely reasonable (common, even) scum strategy


this seems paranoid.

half that last paragraph is dedicated to "this is a town thing i am doing nothing to see here move along" and that's incredibly scummy

no rocketguy not unless someone unvotes you. once someone places the last vote your fate is sealed

wasn't that the last vote? I don't think anyone unvoted me since the last vote count, where I was at L-1

yeah that was the last vote. I was saying that you've been lynched regardless of if someone unvotes.

Sorry if my analysis is bad, that was my first Mafia post ever. This is still a learning experience for me.

So everyone except for two are scum nice

Is it really that insane that two people reached the same conclusion seperate from each other? Also way to hammer without giving rocket guy a chance to explain himself. If rocketguy flips town I'm willing to bet kro is scum. He also didn't say anything about the miller claim which is suspicious to me.

Also my questioning wasn't because I thought he was scum, it was so I could put pressure on him and see how he'd react under pressure. His response to it (Dodging the question several times) coupled with other anti-town behavior made me lean scum on him.