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Code: tutorial 1 1565 19 14500 Y (1) N (4) 16065 16065
tutorial 2 875 8 9000 Y (2) N (4) 9875 25940
tutorial 3 1320 9 9500 Y (3) N (4) 10820 36760
tutorial 4 2010 11 10500 Y (4) N (4) 12510 49270
tutorial 5 1085 14 12000 Y (5) N (4) 13085 62355
tutorial 6 775 13 6500 N (5) N (4) 7275 69630
level 1 1120 18 14000 Y (6) N (4) 15120 84750
level 2 1675 11 10500 Y (7) Y (5) 12175 96925
level 3 925 12 11000 Y (8) N (5) 11925 108850
level 4 1280 12 11000 Y (9) N (5) 12280 121130
level 5 2065 9 9500 Y(10) Y (6) 11565 132695
level 6 1840 23 16500 Y(11) N (6) 18250 151035
level 7 3020 23 11500 N(11) N (6) 14520 165555
level 8 5025 16 13000 Y(12) Y (7) 18025 183580
level 9 2000 20 10000 N(12) N (7) 12000 195400
level 10** 5815 18 14000 Y(13) Y (8) 20715 215205
level 11 3745 33 21500 Y(14) Y (9) 25245 240460
level 12 1660 15 12500 Y(15) N (9) 14160 254620
level 13 3105 23 16500 Y(16) Y(10) 19605 274215
level 14 1815 10 10000 Y(17) N(10) 11815 286040
level 15 5205 19 14500 Y(18) N(10) 19705 305745
level 16 83605 26 18000 Y(19) Y (1) 101605 407350
level 17 2460 37 23500 Y(20) N (1) 25950 433300
level 18 2255 25 17500 Y(21) N (1) 19755 453055
level 19** 5990 70 40000 Y(22) N (1) 45990 499045
level 20 5385 17 13500 Y(23) N (1) 18885 517930
You see this picture? Do you understand its significance? We're all doomed right? I used a trick to turn that last boulder around, and now I can blow it up using the dynamites. Do some tests to see if you can find more ways of turning boulders around (and don't forget about pushing two boulder at once when you do).
Also, play around with the dynamites near the start, see if you can trigger more of them yourself and blow more stuff up (while having the extra life remain accessible), and also remember that it might be possible to turn more boulders around if you don't explode the dynamites all at once.
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So yeah. Wanna help record the video too? | | canadianstickdeath |
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Code: tutorial 1 1565 19 14500 Y (1) N (4) 16065 16065
tutorial 2 875 8 9000 Y (2) N (4) 9875 25940
tutorial 3 1320 9 9500 Y (3) N (4) 10820 36760
tutorial 4 2010 11 10500 Y (4) N (4) 12510 49270
tutorial 5 1085 14 12000 Y (5) N (4) 13085 62355
tutorial 6 775 13 6500 N (5) N (4) 7275 69630
level 1 1120 18 14000 Y (6) N (4) 15120 84750
level 2 1675 11 10500 Y (7) Y (5) 12175 96925
level 3 925 12 11000 Y (8) N (5) 11925 108850
level 4 1280 12 11000 Y (9) N (5) 12280 121130
level 5 2065 9 9500 Y(10) Y (6) 11565 132695
level 6 1840 23 16500 Y(11) N (6) 18250 151035
level 7 3020 23 11500 N(11) N (6) 14520 165555
level 8 5025 16 13000 Y(12) Y (7) 18025 183580
level 9 2000 20 10000 N(12) N (7) 12000 195400
level 10* 5845 18 14000 Y(13) Y (8) 20745 215235
level 11 3745 33 21500 Y(14) Y (9) 25245 240490
level 12 1660 15 12500 Y(15) N (9) 14160 254650
level 13 3105 23 16500 Y(16) Y(10) 19605 274245
level 14 1815 10 10000 Y(17) N(10) 11815 286070
level 15 5205 19 14500 Y(18) N(10) 19705 305775
level 16 83605 26 18000 Y(19) Y (1) 101605 407380
level 17 2460 37 23500 Y(20) N (1) 25950 433330
level 18 2255 25 17500 Y(21) N (1) 19755 453085
level 19** 5990 70 40000 Y(22) N (1) 45990 499075
level 20 5385 17 13500 Y(23) N (1) 18885 517960
30 more points on level 10. Video will be up eventually... I hope I added to all those columns right. I don't remember having to carry? That's weird! | | shos |
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you have got to be kidding me. seriously.
*sigh*...I started the Summer semester today with three courses in one month, i really can't spend too much time gaming. sorry; if I do find some spare time, i'll try and see. where the hell did you get that pic from?! were you actually trying to pull that one off?!
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Lol, I was just randomly playing around in level 10, hoping that I'd get lucky and NOT find a way to get more points, but then the boulder turned around, and I nearly puked. Anyway, when I say "30 more points on level 10" I mean "I just recorded a playthrough of level 10 with 30 more points that the current video". So, I recorded the video, but still, please, see if you can get more than that?
If there were a way to destroy the boulder underneath the extra-life, using, say, one the the dynamite crates, while also having the other boulders roll away, and also stopping the rest of the dynamite from triggering... IF all of that is possible, then you'd be able to get the life without having to have the boulders fall high enough to reach it, and then you could basically have your way with the dynamites and boulders. Remember that 1 self-triggered dynamite = 3 boulders, if it does turn out to be possible to do. | | canadianstickdeath |
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Code: tutorial 1 1565 19 14500 Y (1) N (4) 16065 16065
tutorial 2 875 8 9000 Y (2) N (4) 9875 25940
tutorial 3 1320 9 9500 Y (3) N (4) 10820 36760
tutorial 4 2010 11 10500 Y (4) N (4) 12510 49270
tutorial 5 1085 14 12000 Y (5) N (4) 13085 62355
tutorial 6 775 13 6500 N (5) N (4) 7275 69630
level 1 1120 18 14000 Y (6) N (4) 15120 84750
level 2 1675 11 10500 Y (7) Y (5) 12175 96925
level 3 925 12 11000 Y (8) N (5) 11925 108850
level 4 1280 12 11000 Y (9) N (5) 12280 121130
level 5 2065 9 9500 Y(10) Y (6) 11565 132695
level 6 1840 23 16500 Y(11) N (6) 18250 151035
level 7 3020 23 11500 N(11) N (6) 14520 165555
level 8 5025 16 13000 Y(12) Y (7) 18025 183580
level 9 2000 20 10000 N(12) N (7) 12000 195400
level 10* 5845 18 14000 Y(13) Y (8) 20745 215235
level 11 3745 33 21500 Y(14) Y (9) 25245 240490
level 12 1660 15 12500 Y(15) N (9) 14160 254650
level 13 3105 23 16500 Y(16) Y(10) 19605 274245
level 14 1815 10 10000 Y(17) N(10) 11815 286070
level 15 5205 19 14500 Y(18) N(10) 19705 305775
level 16 83605 26 18000 Y(19) Y (1) 101605 407380
level 17 2460 37 23500 Y(20) N (1) 25950 433330
level 18 2255 25 17500 Y(21) N (1) 19755 453085
level 19 6015 70 40000 Y(22) N (1) 46015 499100
level 20 5385 17 13500 Y(23) N (1) 18885 517985
OMG! IT'S FINALLY OVER!
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I'M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Video coming, probably Friday. | | shos |
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you're insane. but after all, that's what makes you special :O
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Code: tutorial 1 1565 19 14500 Y (1) N (4) 16065 16065
tutorial 2 875 8 9000 Y (2) N (4) 9875 25940
tutorial 3 1320 9 9500 Y (3) N (4) 10820 36760
tutorial 4 2010 11 10500 Y (4) N (4) 12510 49270
tutorial 5 1085 14 12000 Y (5) N (4) 13085 62355
tutorial 6 775 13 6500 N (5) N (4) 7275 69630
level 1 1120 18 14000 Y (6) N (4) 15120 84750
level 2 1675 11 10500 Y (7) Y (5) 12175 96925
level 3 925 12 11000 Y (8) N (5) 11925 108850
level 4 1280 12 11000 Y (9) N (5) 12280 121130
level 5 2065 9 9500 Y(10) Y (6) 11565 132695
level 6 1840 23 16500 Y(11) N (6) 18250 151035
level 7 3020 23 11500 N(11) N (6) 14520 165555
level 8 5025 16 13000 Y(12) Y (7) 18025 183580
level 9 2000 20 10000 N(12) N (7) 12000 195400
level 10** 5845 18 14000 Y(13) Y (8) 20745 215235
level 11 3745 33 21500 Y(14) Y (9) 25245 240490
level 12 1660 15 12500 Y(15) N (9) 14160 254650
level 13 3105 23 16500 Y(16) Y(10) 19605 274245
level 14 1815 10 10000 Y(17) N(10) 11815 286070
level 15 5205 19 14500 Y(18) N(10) 19705 305775
level 16 83605 26 18000 Y(19) Y (1) 101605 407380
level 17 2460 37 23500 Y(20) N (1) 25950 433330
level 18 2255 25 17500 Y(21) N (1) 19755 453085
level 19 6015 70 40000 Y(22) N (1) 46015 499100
level 20 5385 17 13500 Y(23) N (1) 18885 517985
I just scored 6115 on level 10 (270 more points), and that's without my trademark bonus platform, and without turning boulders around and pushing them onto the dynamite (which I could have done at least once, but maybe several times) , and without really any discernible plan. Here's what I did:
See that? The dynamite is stopped very early, allowing for the manual destroying of many more dynamite crates as well as the destroying of many more boulders as well. What you do is, after you hit that arrow that set all of them off, jump up straight away and coast through that right-facing arrow and the first two dynamite crates (do not hit the third). From there, you can keep going around in circles to get back up to the start and hit those next two dynamites and then the next two... After that, you have six, and maybe you can just hit a bunch, I don't know. That's what I tried anyway. I hit 3 to 5 of them manually, and a dynamite actually came back down and destroyed some boulders on the ground. Who knows what's the best way to do it.
Luckily, the breakthrough that I just made is not difficult to pull off. It's what you can do because of it that's the problem.
Turning boulders around. I know I could have done it at least once, but if had in this picture, would I have been able to get the heart without having to blow up the dynamite in the next room in order to get to the other side? Yes, right? But this is assuming that it's possible to turn that boulder around without getting killed by the next boulder. Trouble is, this isn't the only way that those boulders can randomly land, and some configurations don't have the threat of another boulder crushing you after you turn the first around. If I can get the heart without having to go through the whole cave, then I can probably turn another boulder around, and maybe even another two or three after that. GROZSE!
Anyway... Yeah... Play around with that a little for me and see what you can figure? Try seeing is what direction you hit those dynamite crates in will matter? If I hit those two dynamite crates up, will I destroy less boulders than if I had hit them both to the left? And also experiment with those last six dynamites as well. If you can find a way to manually hit all the dynamite crates, that'd probably be optimal, but if not, trying seeing which ones you can hit that'll yield the most points. | | shos |
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woah, that's an incredible breakthrough, it has so much potential now. i didn't get the how to do it - what right-facing arrow?
anyways. firstly i think it's clear that we start from top to buttom. so i thought, we should check out what happens if we hit the second dynamite upwards. what i'm thinking of is this - if we're quick enough to hit the first dynamite to the right immidiately after it, we might be able to take out the boulder that's under the heart crate too. however, we must check if we don't lose any points, cuz if we hit te second to the left it will probably destroy more. take into consideration that if we shoot it left, it may or may not destroy the boulder above the first dynamite. about the leftmost 8, *sigh*...when i have time to think.
it's Yom Kippur today, so in 3 hours i'm gonna be at the Synagogue(yes, i do visit that place at certain days of the year) and until tomorrow, around 26 hours from now, we won't eat,drink, use any electricity, drive, light fire, etc. so that's inactivity from me here. and then on thursday i have another university test, so i won't have time to test this this week, unless i do it NOW. i may, in a few minutes, but no promises.
anyways, awsome find, gluck =]
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Oops. Left-facing arrow. Anyway, after playing around, I found that it -may- work out better if you don't trigger that arrow manually but instead hit just the two dynamite crates after it (a significantly more harder feat, but still not 100% bad). The arrow then goes on to destroy a metal crate, which in turn causes more boulders to be sitting on the dynamites, but also, it changes the way the boulders fall, resulting in more possibilities for turning boulders around. That said, I really don't know.
I found that once you get down to the last six dynamites, you'll want to destroy the next three in a single jump, maybe. This stops the dynamites, meaning the next three can be hit manually, and also sends one of the dynamite up in the air to come back down onto the boulders (hopefully we don't have to jiggle boulders around while they're falling in order to set more of them up to be destroyed in this manner).
Just recorded 6135, but it's quite obvious that I've missed points from turned around boulders and from dynamite crates as well (I didn't notice that I'd actually managed to stop that last shipment of dynamites, meaning that it's quite possible that, in order to get the maximum points on this level, you'll have to do the turning-around-boulders trick 4 or more times in a single play.
I may give in and record this one in parts, lol). Actually, I think it's a great idea to develop the strategy and even record it "in parts", so that we can get a clearer idea of what we're up against. I'll upload a clearly-not-the-maximum video soon (maybe Monday -- depends on whether I can record a video I'm happy with before then), so that you can see what I'm trying. | | canadianstickdeath |
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I just recorded 6250. I think it's a reasonably good score. The only problem obvious with it is that it doesn't yet include any boulder-turning around, but I'm not really in the mood for that today...
Code: tutorial 1 1565 19 14500 Y (1) N (4) 16065 16065
tutorial 2 875 8 9000 Y (2) N (4) 9875 25940
tutorial 3 1320 9 9500 Y (3) N (4) 10820 36760
tutorial 4 2010 11 10500 Y (4) N (4) 12510 49270
tutorial 5 1085 14 12000 Y (5) N (4) 13085 62355
tutorial 6 775 13 6500 N (5) N (4) 7275 69630
level 1 1120 18 14000 Y (6) N (4) 15120 84750
level 2 1675 11 10500 Y (7) Y (5) 12175 96925
level 3 925 12 11000 Y (8) N (5) 11925 108850
level 4 1280 12 11000 Y (9) N (5) 12280 121130
level 5 2065 9 9500 Y(10) Y (6) 11565 132695
level 6 1840 23 16500 Y(11) N (6) 18250 151035
level 7 3020 23 11500 N(11) N (6) 14520 165555
level 8 5025 16 13000 Y(12) Y (7) 18025 183580
level 9 2000 20 10000 N(12) N (7) 12000 195400
level 10* 6250 18 14000 Y(13) Y (8) 20250 215650
level 11 3745 33 21500 Y(14) Y (9) 25245 240895
level 12 1660 15 12500 Y(15) N (9) 14160 255055
level 13 3105 23 16500 Y(16) Y(10) 19605 274650
level 14 1815 10 10000 Y(17) N(10) 11815 286475
level 15 5205 19 14500 Y(18) N(10) 19705 306180
level 16 83605 26 18000 Y(19) Y (1) 101605 407785
level 17 2460 37 23500 Y(20) N (1) 25950 433735
level 18 2255 25 17500 Y(21) N (1) 19755 453490
level 19 6015 70 40000 Y(22) N (1) 46015 499505
level 20 5385 17 13500 Y(23) N (1) 18885 518390
I think that's another 405 points on level 10. Someday soon I'm gonna have to recheck the math on the table again, 'cause I noticed a place where it was off just when I was adding this in. I put level 10 back to a single star, but that doesn't mean that we can stop looking this over. Almost certainly we can find more points. | | shos |
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405 points?! how comes..? that's a hellovalot; are you sure it's no typo here?.. I'm gonna have only around 5 more minutes here on the computer, so i'm probably not gonna read your answer until tomorrow eve; anyways - upload this video, and be sure to slow down the part with the dynamites, so i can see clearly and stuff~
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405 points indeed. It used to be 5845, I think, and now it's 6250 (life was collected; it doesn't matter what score you get, if you don't get the life). That math works out, right? Lol, slow it down? If you need to see it slower, just hit pause play, pause play? | | canadianstickdeath |
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I was bored, so I decided to play around in level 10 to look for the more points I know are possible. The best I found so far was 6565, 315 more points, but it'll be hard to pull off, even in parts. There are still more things I need to check, but I just figured I'd post the update.
The method that I'm using right now does not go to the door early, like I suggested we might do and could be worth more points. Indeed, it was worth more points (best I found was 6440), but not as many as I could get without. That said, it could be possible to find some way to go to the door early that could make up the 125-point difference (I have an idea for at least another boulder that I could destroy whenever I find a way to get to the door early). Now, even though this method is only 125 points back of the other, the other could still possibly have more points as well (like I said, I'm still looking, but I haven't found anything yet, and this is getting slightly frustrating).
I think maybe soon I'll attempt to record (in parts) that I'm going right now. You wanna see what it looks like to go to the door early, too? Thing is, I'd like to show you if you think you could maybe improve on it, but if I know shos, he's busy doing something, and even if he wasn't, he probably wouldn't be much help, lol. I just think the early door method is kind of neat, like how levels 6 and 8 were neat 'cause we did the levels completely differently.
Below is the tentative table if my 6565 method works out. I'm keeping this tree of half-finished level 10's on my computer, because there's just so many ways to do things slightly differently... Say, at this one point, instead of pushing a boulder to the dynamite, I keep it around, and cause another dynamite to blow up more boulders, or something. This level is gross. The only way to know for sure that we've got it is if we somehow manually trigger all the dynamites, destroy all the boulders, and use the early door method, which is something that probably isn't possible. Then again, I thought we'd never be sure that we'd found all the points on level 16 to, but then, we somehow ended up destroying everything, lol.
Code: tutorial 1 1565 19 14500 Y (1) N (4) 16065 16065
tutorial 2 875 8 9000 Y (2) N (4) 9875 25940
tutorial 3 1320 9 9500 Y (3) N (4) 10820 36760
tutorial 4 2010 11 10500 Y (4) N (4) 12510 49270
tutorial 5 1085 14 12000 Y (5) N (4) 13085 62355
tutorial 6 775 13 6500 N (5) N (4) 7275 69630
level 1 1120 18 14000 Y (6) N (4) 15120 84750
level 2 1675 11 10500 Y (7) Y (5) 12175 96925
level 3 925 12 11000 Y (8) N (5) 11925 108850
level 4 1280 12 11000 Y (9) N (5) 12280 121130
level 5 2065 9 9500 Y(10) Y (6) 11565 132695
level 6 1840 23 16500 Y(11) N (6) 18250 151035
level 7 3020 23 11500 N(11) N (6) 14520 165555
level 8 5025 16 13000 Y(12) Y (7) 18025 183580
level 9 2000 20 10000 N(12) N (7) 12000 195400
level 10* 6565 18 14000 Y(13) Y (8) 20565 215965
level 11 3745 33 21500 Y(14) Y (9) 25245 241210
level 12 1660 15 12500 Y(15) N (9) 14160 255370
level 13 3105 23 16500 Y(16) Y(10) 19605 274965
level 14 1815 10 10000 Y(17) N(10) 11815 286790
level 15 5205 19 14500 Y(18) N(10) 19705 306495
level 16 83605 26 18000 Y(19) Y (1) 101605 408100
level 17 2460 37 23500 Y(20) N (1) 25950 434050
level 18 2255 25 17500 Y(21) N (1) 19755 453805
level 19 6015 70 40000 Y(22) N (1) 46015 499820
level 20 5385 17 13500 Y(23) N (1) 18885 518705
I still need to re-calculate this table to make sure it's right. We need to get level 10 ready before I get that far in my level walkthroughs... | | shos |
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woah man, i find it impressive that you can find time to be bored; so you not only find time for that, but also find more points?! that's mad. i wish i could help you; but i have to write and run a whole project in Prolog(an AI programming language, something stupid) for school and i'm being final-tested on it tomorrow, and i have some papers to give to the university, and then a university test in Judaism(which really sucks, cuz it's the only university in the world that actually makes you study some judaism)....
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