I observed the game pretty much alone, but I did chat with CSD about my thoughts/theories, most of which were off-target because I was paranoid of how easily Isa and Dando could be deceiving the town. Jell didn't last long enough for me to be paranoid about him.

Some things:

I fingered Yaya as town from the very first day, because of the way he threw this out:
He made a good observation but didn't want to really start anything, because we wasn't sure. Mafia would have probably jumped on guyguy.

I also had a feeling(but wasn't 100% sure) that Thomas was Town, and was a little surprised at how badly you guys failed to realize that part of the reason why he was acting the way he was was not because he was mafia, but because he was Thomas. Although that's kind of a lie, I was more surprised that he made it past day 1 without being lynched.



Also, I'm just going to throw it out there that Harumbai pretty much revealed himself as mafia to everyone when he didn't kill Dando the night that she was to investigate him. I had thought Dando might have had been pulling one on us, but when Dando got killed the next night it was pretty obvious that Harumbai didn't kill Dando because he didn't want people to think that he was mafia. If he wasn't mafia, the mafia would have killed Dando, a major threat to them, and at the same time cast suspicion on Harumbai, since she was going to investigate him.


At the very end, I had Harumbai and woodstock as the mafia. I reasoned that woodstock was neezles, and therefor mafia. I was also confused at Woodstock trying to hint to us that he was neezles, because that would be the last thing I would want to do if I was given the role of neezles.

And I'm not too surprised to see that silver was mafia, because I remember not being able to form an opinion about her.


Well, the last day they wouldn't have been able to lynch anyone, because they couldn't have reached a majority, but the day before that was a complete disaster. If they didn't lynch mafia on that day they were pretty much guaranteed to lose, and they didn't even attempt to lynch. Yaya, Guyguy and woodstock...


Also some of my favorite quotes that don't make any sense...

With 5 people left
???

End of Day 3
???

I remember that Silver quote. That was a goatee scratcher, lol.

So... Who likes my aeon idea?

Yeah, that's what I reasoned too:

But I was a hesitant to act on it right away because it would have been really lame if we detected him as Town, and he was Town, but we lynched him anyway. In hindsight, I probably should have taken the risk and tried to convince everyone to go for Harumbai instead of Bmwsu, but oh well, lesson learned.

I didn't even remember that post of yours. Probably because back when you made it I still suspected you to be mafia in disguise, although looking back at it, with soccerboy being lynched as mafia, with the role of an investigator, I should have known that two mafia wouldn't be given investigative powers.

I guess that post of yours also flew right by the remaining survivors, since all they did was "I'mma give you a chance to defend yourself Harumbai" and then they just kind of didn't take any actual action...

No, Isa:
Yaya places reflector around Guyguy.
Silver kills Guyguy.

^^ Only in this scenario would the town survive to the next day, with Yaya, Guyguy, and Harumbai alive. Unfortunately this never came close to happening.

Also, you might be a little bit surprised about that whole scenario with Dando's detection of Harumbai once I reveal the night actions. It's definitely not what everybody seems to think.

Role PM's
These are the full role PM's that I sent to each of the participants in this game. There were a few things there were repeated across many PM's, so I removed them after the first time they showed up, so if you were to read the whole thing the whole way through you don't have to keep reading the same things over and over.


It's not particularly the most useful role, especially if you end up being the person driving all the lynches. I was kinda glad when Isa got this role, hoping that he'd be able to stop the town from making stupid decisions, but, lol, that's not the way it turned out. In the end, the most useful part about this role is that it's pretty easy to confirm that you are who you say you are, simply by having the town put a few votes behind one person and then pardoning them. You don't have to worry much about the town thinking that maybe they have a Mafia-aligned mayor, since such a role, I think, would be pretty overpowered.

Isa had a hidden part of this role that I explained earlier, where he would decide which "Aeon Demo" would be up for grabs, but he would not be able to claim the "Demos" for himself.


What this role allows you to do is be extremely helpful, and then when the mafia tries to kill you, well, the jokes on them, you commuted. Unfortunately, Bmwsu didn't end up being the most helpful member of the town, and wasn't very active and was usually under suspicion. He did claim at one point, but I guess the town didn't notice, because they lynched him anyway. I think a big mistake made by most of the lynched townies was not being more forthcoming about their roles.

He did eventually commute on one night, but we'll see when I post the night actions whether or not it prevented a mafia kill (hint: it did). I'm not entirely sure why they targeted him. Maybe it was an interesting strategy of killing the most suspicious people to make the town think twice about the people they trust? I don't know what, but it almost felt to me like, if that was actually their strategy, it was working.


After thinking back, I think I should have just made Shos a full doctor, rather than having him have a chance of dying. Originally I had it at 50%, but I changed my mind before the first night. The chance to die resulted in Thomas not using his ability on the first night, and then he was lynched on the next day. When you get a role like this, in my opinion, you should just use it on every night on whoever you trust the most. It's nice to be able to throw a wrench in there and maybe screw up the mafia's plans.


I think this could have been an interesting role to have used. Unfortunately, Jorster never made to the first night, so he never had a chance to use it on anyone. There were too many defensive roles in the game anyway, so it was kind-of a shame to lose one of the more interesting roles right out of the gate.


Contrary to what Yaya said, the person with whom he placed a reflector around would not be reflected back onto themselves. I'm not sure where he got that from, but I wish he had asked me about it. That kind-of explains some of the reservations he had about using his role. Like Thomas' role, I would say you should use this every chance you get, to try and throw another wrench into the mafia's plans. This role was actually the only reason that day 7 even happened, in the event that Yaya managed to reflect a kill back onto Silver.

Yaya twice posted some slightly game-related things in the chatbox, one was "the deadline is in three hours!", basically confirming he does have a night actions, and another was "Finally!" once Soccerboy was lynched, which is something you might say if you were trying to convince people that you were town, both of which I deemed to cross the line past the usual "oh no don't talk about the mafia game in the chatbox!" posts. Had he done so again, he would have been mod-roleblocked on the following night, and had he done so again after that, there's a chance I would have mod-killed him.


Honestly, I should have just thought of some other role to use instead of this one, lol. It was kind-of a joke role, so I was a little bit disappointed when Guyguy got it. His night 0 action "some people will die" at first seemed like he was going to role with it, but on subsequent nights he seemed to become more frustrated with the uselessness of his hints. I had intended to only give him hints about things that would be revealed to the town anyway or things that he should already have known. Even still I had a lot of trouble coming up with "hints." His hint on the first night referred to the manner in which Woodstock would die. His hint on night 3, the night he was silenced, was "Somebody was silenced tonight".

His role was made less helpful by his inability to confirm himself, which is often one of the more useful parts of the role, but I think if he had gotten a little creative, he could have found away around this restriction. The other purpose of this role is to say the things you are really thinking, without the mafia knowing where these ideas are coming from.


A pretty standard detective role, and probably one of the most useful roles in any game, so I was glad when Dando was the one to get it. I will say I think she timed her role-claim perfectly, and as a result, a member of the mafia was lynched. If she had gone with her gut about Harumbai, the town would very likely had won the game. I also wrote up some very secret-agent-y flavour for her detections, which I think were at least semi-amusing. She posted these PM's in the mafia graveyard, so you will get a chance to read them.


Originally I had forgotten to put a restriction on the number of times she could revive. Actually, I didn't put one, 'cause I didn't think it'd fit with Neezles to not keep coming back, but then I realized it could end up in some pretty funky end-game scenarios if I didn't at least put some sort of limit, so I limited it to three revives.

So that the town wouldn't find her immediately trustworthy when she revives, I made her a Miller (townies that aren't told that they incorrectly detect as being members of the mafia), and I didn't reveal her role upon her death. If the mafia had tried to janitor her (a role which hides the role of the mafia's kill target from the rest of the town upon her death, made useless by the fact that that would happen anyway) I decided that I would tell them the role so that the janitor didn't end up being completely useless. One of the big uses of the janitor in theme games like these is to gain "fake claims" in case the town asks a member of the mafia what there roles are, but since she'd be reviving in a few days anyway, it'd be a completely unusable claim.

The spam didn't do anything, lol.


I decided that, with already so many protective roles in the game, I changed the typical Jack role from a Commute to a Watch. A watch can be pretty useful if you use it on the person you think the mafia is going to kill, but DBX thought it and the roleblock were "boring", so she never used them.


So based on the stick movies I used to make that my username is derived from, I made myself the Serial Killer, who's goal is irradiating the Interguild of Neezles (aka: probably everyone). Independents have the hardest time in a mafia game, so I had to give him a secondary ability to help him survive. I was glad that Jell got this role, and it was a shame when he was killed so early. The game had a lot of protective roles, anticipating both him and the mafia making kills every night, which I think is a lot of kills to be happening every night in a kind-of small game.


When Harumbai originally claimed to be a silencer, I thought for sure he would be lynched right away. I'm not sure how a silencer could be seen as a remotely legitimate town role, since the town WANTS people to talk, to get as much information from them as possible. The silencer should have automatically been seen as a mafia-aligned role. The main use of it is to limit the effectiveness of the more helpful townies. If you use the silencer a lot all game, one thing you have to remember to do is to have somebody on the mafia pretend to be silenced, so that the town won't be able to use who was silenced to narrow down who is town and who isn't. They might get suspicious if the person you have pretend to be silenced hasn't been very helpful, though. In the end it didn't matter, since Harumbai for some reason was able to survive after having claimed to be a silencer.

The point of the godfather role is to have a member of the mafia that you have to lynch old-school style. Detections and night kills aren't going to help you -- you need to get this one done right. As such, godfathers typically survive until much later in the game, so I was excited, at first, when Harumbai got this role, but he ended up being fairly inactive throughout.


I was excited to see how Silver would handle being on the mafia. I figured she'd either do very well or very poorly, lol, and in the end, she was probably did the best job of anybody in the mafia of blending in (though I do agree that she was "trying too hard" at some points). The idea was that 'Dando52' has relatively useless roles, but the best chance to survive, and if you want to use one of the more useful kills you'll have to forfeit using one of your more useful roles.

The main use of the janitor is so that the mafia can gain some extra name claims to use in case they need to "reveal their role". The was somewhat negated by the fact that I definitely gave them too many names, lol. But since the mafia never actually successfully janitored anybody (you'll see what happened once I reveal the night actions), I guess it didn't really hurt. None of this matters anyway, since the mafia was never forced to reveal anything. The one person who was pressured, soccerboy, wasn't able to formulate a fake claim in time to save himself from lynch.


The hitman was included to combat all the defensive roles I included in the game. I had recognized that I had made too many of them, but I think in the end I overcompensated a bit (by giving them all limitations and adding the hitman role), so the mafia ended up slightly overpowered. They never really made use of the hitman though, so it didn't matter too much. I think the one time they would have used it (to kill Dando the night after she claimed), he was lynched on that same day. The only thing that the hitman would have failed against is Bmwsu's Commute.

My role was useless, considering I led all of the killings except for the only successful one. It would have been slightly more useful on a less influential member, but overall, I'd rank my ability as the second to worst one, second only to Guyguy (his was the worst one by far though).

Awards for the survivors?

I think the reason I didn't kill Dando actually was because with the investigation pending I was sure that someone would protect her and so killing Isa should be simple, I didn't really think about the other implications so that would have been a red herring.

Also day 7 could have been necessary if silver had voted for me and I wasn't completely convinced she wouldn't...

Isa, I've handed out awards now, for the winners. If I go farther than this, then everybody who participated would get one. I was thinking "rubber banned" for everybody else? Also, I'm far to lazy to edit the both of these awards into the custom award thread, so if somebody else would like to do it? I'm not even too happy about having to scale down the rubber banned image, lol.

I actually said during day 4 that everyone should protect Dando for that specific reason. Dando was more important than me, and I figured that I'd be the one to die instead of her.

My guess is that Yaya protected Dando during the night I died, so you were probably right to kill me off on a success-basis.

An interesting thought is that if we didn't get to know the results from Dando's investigation of you, Harumbai, we'd probably kill you and possibly win later on. What would have been really cool was if Dando investigated anyone else than Harumbai and then kill him anyway. If Dando then would die before she had the time to investigate Harumbai we'd just assume he was part of the Mafia and kill him.

The funny thing is, Silver roleblocked Dando on that night, but because of Yaya's reflector, Dando's detection was successful, which resulted in the false negative, and then Bmwsu's lynch. Go figure.

Full night actions tonight/tomorrow morning.

My respect for Silver's sneakiness just decreased. =p

If one thing could have improved how the game played out, it's probably Jell. I think having a serial killer running around killing people also would have made for some interesting developments and would have made the game shorter, which would probably have resulted in the Town being able to stay interested in it to the very end. However, if he wasn't killed off that night, I probably would have tried to get him lynched anyway since I was convinced he wasn't Town and my investigation confirmed that.

By the way, if I take part in the next Mafia game we play, don't be afraid to go after me, lol. I never received a single FoS over the course of the whole game, and I'm pretty sure that it's not because I wasn't suspicious.

This was actually what made me realize Silver was mafia. Not only the oddity of the entire thing, but mostly the abstain. There is no reason to abstain that early in the game unless you don't want people to get lynched. And the only reason you don't want people to get lynched, is if you are mafia.
Of course there was also Guyguy who abstained on the same day, but it was fairly obvious he wasn't mafia. He casted a very early vote on that same day for an already very suspicious character, but he received no support at all. The mafia has their own sub-forum, they are organized. Isa led the previous two lynches, both against Townies, so it wouldn't have taken much convincing to lynch him. If Guyguy actually was mafia, the lynch was probably planned and the other two mafia members would soon join in. The ball starts rolling and more people will vote for Isa, clearing him from the game with no effort. But that didn't happen. So Guyguy couldn't have been mafia.

I also never got a chance to use my role. I hid on the first night, but it appears I wasn't targeted that night, and I tried to kill Soccerboy the second night, but it appears he was protected. DBX also tried to kill me the second night, so I was double dead.

And another quote that deserves more attention:



Everything Dando posted here was correct. DBX did investigate Isa the first day and did kill me the second day. But that is not the important thing. The important thing is that she proved that Isa was a Townie, and therefor she herself must have been a Townie. As I said earlier, Isa was already the most suspicious character in the game. Yet Dando basically makes a post here saying: "Isa is a Townie and here are the reasons:". That is not something a mafia member would do. They wouldn't try to risk bringing such negative attention to themselves to protect a Townie.

Could I have an award for surviving? Maybe the cover of that new game Homefront with Dando52 on the cover. Anyway, I was actually very disappointed with my role. No offence CSD, but you (imo) screwed up the role. I can't name a single hint that was actually in ANYWAY helpful. Overall, the game is good though, and we should do another one.

I still like the idea of giving random hints. Maybe we could just make a random person give the hint every week in future games.

Well I probably would have used my other 2 abilities if I hadn't been killed so early. At least most of you thought I was innocent.

Probably why you were killed as well. =p

I guess I didn't look too deeply into the game as you guys did, especially as far as the roles went. I pretty much ignored role possibilities, and just based opinions by your posts, and by how easily I'd think you could fool everyone into thinking you were town if you were mafia (Isa and Dando, mainly). I suppose I also lost interest a few times when I was inactive on the interguild as a whole.

I completely missed guyguy's proof of innocence that jell pointed out, but even if I did take note of it, I'm not sure that I'd still be entirely convinced that he's town from it, as there are plenty of ways that it could have been an incorrect assumption. But what's really bugging me about what you said is that the mafia would have pounced on Isa. Even though it wasn't mafia to bring up suspicions against Isa, wouldn't have it made sense for them to try to capitalize on guyguy's accusation and try to off Isa? I'm not really looking up the exchange but that's just my initial thoughts.


If it makes you feel better I was very suspicious of you the entire time. You, Jell and Isa will never be entirely free of suspicion from me if I ever play in another game if we have another game.

Also for fun, my first impressions pm to CSD(my earlies guesses):

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X
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This is why you don't base anything off of assumptions

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XX
defective coin(although jell was independent, but still bad guy in eyes of town)

X

X

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The posts I was referring to were these:


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That suggests that he'd be lynched by Christmas, but it actually says separately that he would be lynched, and that by Christmas you guys would be tired of him. If not for jorster being inactive, he'd probably been lynched by Christmas. Well he got lynched regardless, but only you guys can verify the second guess. But I'd guess it'd be right.


Thomas' Entire Post, Earlier that Day

That's why I was so surprised Yaya lasted as long as he did. I thought he was the most obvious Town of anyone. I guess the mafia had other priorities.

Can we restart this game in the beginning of summer? That would probably be the best time to have it plus regrouping, organizing, and etc...

Absolutely not, people will be very busy during summer, and random spurs of inactivity will occur. Besides, we already have the IO for summer happenings...I think it's safe to start this one in a month.

Damn... I feel so oblivious to your views Quirvy. Basically, like others, I tried to make myself look as close to neutral as possible while a tad on the innocence side. I figured if I acted like a townie, people'd think I was a townie. And since I was a townie, this was very easy lol. Was being the most "obvious townie" a bad thing, (I don't know lol)?

And I also kinda wish Jell lasted long enough to tell people his role was "Yaya" (it'd make me feel special), I don't have any strange qualities like other IG members except for offending/not offending people, lol.

NINJA'D EDIT: Isa, you fiend! Anyways, yeah I think we could start the game in another month or 2 (depending on how much we wanna slave CSD).

Any other mod could do it too.

Well, apparently the others didn't think you to be so obvious. Didn't Dando investigate you? I'm pretty sure she did, and that made me suspicious of her, because I thought that she wouldn't need to do that to determine your alliance. I guess maybe people either didn't pick up on that one post of yours, or they thought it was too early (see all of those wrong guesses I made at that time) to make any definitive decisions based on any posts.

Out of curiosity, Dando, what exactly made you choose to investigate Yaya?

But it didn't look like anyone really was very suspicious of you. Going over the headers, you only had 2 FoSs

1 from Thomas, day 2, right before his death
In his next post, he responded to a quote from your following reply, starting out with "Yep you town guys will find out you screwed up today"

and then woodstock FoS'd you with great suspicion and detail in this post: