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krotomo
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Monday, September 11 2017, 4:15 pm EST
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We've all seen this page on Neopets. The classic cave upload page, which we all use to upload our HATPC levels. But have you truly looked at the page? Because if you do look closely, you will see something interesting...

THIS. This little image that acts as a CaveMaker download link. That heart crate is SIXTY PIXELS WIDE AND SIXTY PIXELS TALL. Not 32x32 pixels tall like the one you find in game. This is a huge breakthrough, guys. If there is an HD image of a heart crate, maybe there is an HD image of all the others?  
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Monday, September 11 2017, 5:16 pm EST
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or they redrew the crate because otherwise the link would be tiny or ugly


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To Jebby, Shos said:
lol. i didn't ask if you're british. i asked if you can speak the British language! you know, it's like English, but with a wierd accent!

pronouncing "rare" as re-ah, or 'the hobbit' as lah-ob-eat.
no 'r's alive, you can't hear a british guy says 'there' the-r. it will always be 'the-ah'...
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Monday, September 11 2017, 5:18 pm EST
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But the originals can look a bit awkward, like they are scaled-down versions of larger images
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Wednesday, September 13 2017, 12:37 am EST
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Jet fuel can't melt wooden crates.




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Wednesday, September 13 2017, 7:21 am EST
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I'm very interested to see if other larger files exist somewhere in the game. That would mean we could play the game at a higher resolution. Where would this be stored that we haven't already looked, though?


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As a kid I always thought tennisballs looked delicious and I liked biting them. I still remember the feel of the fuzz on my teeth and tongue.
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Wednesday, September 13 2017, 9:12 am EST
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Well, unfortunately you can't get an index of http://images.neopets.com/images/ (the spot where that 60px heart crate is stored) by visiting it. Or http://images.neopets.com/ either, for that matter. Maybe there's some way to find an index of it, but IDK. I'm guessing that if high res versions of the other crates ever existed, they don't exist anymore, at least not in anywhere we could find them.

Plus 60x60px is an awkward number anyways. If there were high res crate textures it'd be a lot better for them to be 64x64 so you could just multiply all the game's numbers by 2 to scale it.




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Wednesday, September 13 2017, 9:24 am EST
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I'm guessing that the game's textures (or some of them at least) were originally created by some artist and sent to Ben Pitt in vector graphic form (or maybe high-res bitmap graphic) and were edited to fit the game. That would also explain this:



It looks like somewhere between the asset being created and it being put in the game a white background was deleted... along with the white part of Hannah's skirt.




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DroidFreak36
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Wednesday, September 13 2017, 9:38 am EST
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There's also a white background on this JPG file pulled from the game code:



Which is why doors have a black rectangle around them (as this file is inverted when displayed in game).





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Sunday, September 17 2017, 4:09 am EST
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according to ben pitt's cv he created all the environmental graphic assets and the neopets artists were only responsible for the hannah and enemy graphics. but yeah i always thought the hatpc graphics were a bit unconventional in that they seemed to be a mix of pixel and vector and they looked like no other neopets art. i think he drew the assets in flash (flash is rebranding itself as a vector graphics editor now that it's being retired from web applications) and rasterized them to a limited palette. (yes i have analyzed this in my spare time)

also, i'm fairly sure that hatic had absolutely zero input from robotduck, hence why its mechanics are not very good. also, idk if anyone noticed but the standing hannah sprite in hatic has no squirrel tail, which is why she looks so weird. all the other hannah sprites were drawn directly on top of the hatpc hannah sprites (apparently she had a spray tan and a dye job after getting all that $$$ from the pirate caves)


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Sunday, September 17 2017, 10:32 pm EST
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Good sleuthing, HB. I have the same opinion of HATIC's mechanics, and will do what I can to improve them in the remake. And maybe we can look into adding a tail to the standing sprite.




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Sunday, May 6 2018, 6:18 pm EST
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so i know the interguild used to trash the original HATPC campaign for being too easy, but a reexamination shows that they are actually the perfect difficulty for a game on a site targeted at children of ages 7-14. HATPC had a distinct atmosphere and a sense of cohesiveness that HATIC lacks (ben pitt knew his stuff). the HATIC levels, on the other hand, were obviously designed by neopets staff members with no experience in game design. it seems that they were more interested in propagating inside jokes and making references to the band weezer than testing their levels. it survived only on the merit of its gimmicks, including the slippery terrain and the family-friendly character of armin (as opposed to hannah who was apparently a hard-drinking barmaid in her original incarnation)

by the way: HATPC was probably created to capitalize on the success of the pirates of the caribbean franchise. curse of the black pearl was released in theatres in july 2003, neopets commissioned robotduck to code HATPC three months later c. october 2003 and it was released in november.


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