I was messing around with HATIC and noticed some things that I never noticed before and really should have... Am I behind the times? Were they known? That thing with the snow is a dumb novelty, and the double-dynamite glitch was known... but the other two things... I feel like they're pretty obvious things too and they can have an important impact on a lot of speed traps.
You have to use 'slipping' (aka skating >_>, which was apparently known about a long time ago) to get across the main trap. You have to have good timing/rhythm or get lucky with your mashing in order to get across. I decided to be nice and not make it a string of dynamites the whole way across, but it would still have been possible.
I had no idea we were avoiding it as a collective, lol. You will all now be assimilated.
I still haven't heard that what you have to do to get past the lower right side was known though...
It's the double dynamite glitch. It's caused by the ice physics, so HATIC-only. I think the extra speed causes the game to think you hit the dynamite from two directions at the same time. You do it by stopping at the exact same time you hit the crate.
I totally need a video. I remember the glitch, don't remember having ever known how to duplicate it. this might have influence on the most-points of hatic
Lol. The only level I know for sure would use the glitch is Jump. The trick is probably frame-perfect? so don't expect to be able to do it with any consistency. Here's the strategy I made a while back. Good luck!!!
Spoiler:
Jump!
- The 1st pit:
- Have Hannah grab the first couple treasures.
- Then have her jump down the first pit and hit the middle dynamite to the left, and then land in the middle without triggering either.
- Now hit the right dynamite to the right with the double dynamite glitch.
- I believe the double dynamite glitch occurs when you run into a dynamite crate (and I suspect it's required that you be walking on terrain, and it's the ice physics that are to blame for the crate thinking you hit it from two directions at the same time), and release the direction EXACTLY as you hit it.
- Now have Armin jump those first spikes and push the boulder down the gap.
- The 2nd pit, part 1:
- Have Armin jump across the next spikes and push both boulders down the next pit. Fall down and land on the boulders.
- Have him hit the 3rd dynamite down here to the left.
- Then hit the 2nd dynamite to the left with the double dynamite glitch.
- Finally, have him hit the 1st dynamite to the left.
- Take Armin up the ladder without hitting anything else.
- The 2nd pit, part 2:
- Now have Hannah and hit the last dynamite of the first pit and destroy the boulder.
- Now take Hannah across the path that was cleared in the spikes to where the 2nd pit is.
- Jump on the last dynamite crate and send it to the right, into the ladder.
- Then, jump on the 1st dynamite crate and send it straight up and down.
- Sneak underneath the dynamite as it's flying and hit the other dynamite down there to the right, with the double dynamite glitch. The safest way to avoid the dynamites is to just stay on the ground and move left/right to avoid them as they land, but be careful not to push the boulder. Perhaps you can hold up part-way through a slide to stop yourself from pushing it.
- And then take Hannah up the ladder, getting the treasure at the top.
- The 3rd pit:
- Have Hannah push the boulder after these next spikes onto the spikes, to make the jump a bit easier for Armin. (Not that it matters in the grand scheme of this insanity.) I couldn't find a way to destroy this boulder?
- Hannah should then jump into the secret area and push out the boulder below. Collect the treasure, and then push that boulder as far as it goes, before returning to the secret area.
- Now take Armin over and push that last boulder down to where Hannah is. Have Hannah push that boulder as far as it goes as well.
- Now it's time for Armin to jump down the 3rd pit. Fall down and have him hit the left dynamite crate to the right, and then land where it was.
- Then hit the middle dynamite to the left.
- Lastly, have him hit the right dynamite crate to the right, with the double dynamite glitch.
- Have Armin join Hannah in the secret area.
- Armin's Final Trial:
- Have Armin climb the ladder and get the 10 treasures up there.
- Now jump from the dynamite and manually trigger the first arrow, and get back to the ladders.
- Climb down the ladder and trigger the dynamite at the bottom.
- Now climb back up, hit the next arrow at the top, and then hit the next dynamite at the bottom (away from the ladder).
- Now climb back up one final time and with a prefectly-positioned jump you can hit the next three arrows. (Maybe more?)
- Now hit those dynamites one at a time toward the ladder. The 2nd one should blow up the portion of the ladder that was not destroyed by the steel dynamite crates.
- Set Armin aside, out of harm's way.
- Hannah's Final Trial:
- Now have Hannah trigger the arrow and make the dynamite crates fall.
- Stand where the first crate will land and jump just a bit before it hits you.
- Bounce on the crate and then get in underneath the flying dynamite without hitting the other crates. Watch you don't get stuck in the secret area (there's an HATIC-specific corner glitch).
- Now run to the right and 'juggle' all the dynamite crates as you collect the remaining treasures.
- Take both characters to the door.