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FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 9:39 am EST

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Hi, I am the controversial figure known as FlashMarsh, Guyguyxtreme, Thatguywhosupposedlystillhatessoccerboy, Alexander, Random Arrogant Douchebag, whatever. I don't care.

Everything in the community has gone downhill.

People of around my age started sucking up to eachother at absolutely absurd levels to seemingly get karma and inflate their little ego's. I think the Art Thread is probably where this disgusting practice started. I never saw anyone criticising Silver's work in any possible way. All I saw was people saying 'Wow, AMAZING!', and practically begging for karma in exchange for the helpful flattery they were giving her. The Art Thread seemed to become the place to go if you wanted to get karma easily. I recently decided to never post in the Art Thread again due to it supporting the horrible flattery-karma-repeat system.

More recently my karma began to fall. The majority of it deservingly. Although I will never apologise to Soccerboy, I was too harsh with him, and that was an absolutely stupid post I made in the Politics Topic. However, I started to get little attacks from other members for not rating their houses which they either obviously spent no time on or were repeats of what they had made before. I have gotten criticised more than once for not rating as highly as other people. People receive criticism so little it seems that they feel the need to lash out against anyone who gives it. I was bashed for giving my honest opinion on the rushed house that Jorster decided to post. I quite frankly think it is insulting to even compare it to some of the levels which were getting similar rates. Krotomo criticised me for not rating his samey houses well. Darvince has also criticised me for similar reasons. And you know what? It's pathetic. There. I said it.

But what is the real enemy? What resulted in this terrible evolution of the community?

The Karma System. The Karma System is a stupid system because it discourages posting and contributions. Don't like something? Press the minus karma button! You don't want to risk losing the argument that the other member will inevitably bring against you! That is all I have to say for now. Press your buttons if you want. I don't give a damn. I want discussion, not silent people in their rooms doing nothing.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 9:46 am EST
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Dude. Chill. We aren't attacking you, so you don't need to get defensive. If you honestly think that some of Kro's houses deserve a 7.5, and mine deserves a 3.5, then you need to lower your standards, a lot. Although I can agree that the Karma system isn't perfect, it's pretty good. The reason people don't criticize silvers art, is because it's good. Its not because they get "paid" in Karma.

EDIT:If you want people to start taking your rates seriously, leave some constructive criticism. Don't just go "I liked the floor", say something like, "I liked the floor, however the walls are a bit bland, as is the roof".


FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 9:50 am EST

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Anything can be criticised, and nothing is ever perfect. You should know that. As a result, there is still something to criticise about Silver's art. Although she is good, she is nowhere NEAR perfect (and that is not an insult, you shouldn't expect to be at age 13). Secondly, you seem to also find the need to become 'defensive' just like me. You felt I was attacking you too, and if you deny it, you're an utter liar. Of course people will try and fight their corner if they disagree with someone.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 9:52 am EST
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It did feel like you were attacking me when you rated my thing 3.5, or "bad". However I didn't get defensive, I just defended my point of view.


FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 9:53 am EST

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In my eyes, getting defensive and defending your point of view are pretty much the same thing.
FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 9:57 am EST

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Also Jorster, you just got karma for flattering Krotomo. Which I swiftly made back to 0.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:00 am EST
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Posting a legitimate rating, and giving a compliment, is doing something right, otherwise he wouldn't have plus Karma'd it. Maybe he gave me the positive Karma for calling you out. If someone gives plus Karma, then don't minus Karma them so they don't get any karma from it.  


FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:01 am EST

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Giving a compliment with nothing else is flattery, and the +Karma shows he supports that flattery.
Isa
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:02 am EST
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FlashMarsh:
I'm going to talk down to you and insult you. After that, you will be offended and defend your creation. This will cause me to repeat my insults and state that your creation is subpar.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:05 am EST
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'Isa' said:
FlashMarsh:
I'm going to talk down to you and insult you. After that, you will be offended and defend your creation. This will cause me to repeat my insults and state that your creation is subpar.

The best thing about this, is that's exactly what he does to you when he rates your stuff.


FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:06 am EST

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'Jorster' said:
'Isa' said:
FlashMarsh:
I'm going to talk down to you and insult you. After that, you will be offended and defend your creation. This will cause me to repeat my insults and state that your creation is subpar.

The best thing about this, is that's exactly what he does to you when he rates your stuff.


Of course I do. It's human instinct to defend yourself against criticism.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:08 am EST
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I think I'm done here. I'm not going to post anymore on this thread.


Isa
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:08 am EST
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As promised, I will now repeat my insults, until everyone else stops replying, to make sure that I have the last word.
FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:10 am EST

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'Jorster' said:
I think I'm done here. I'm not going to post anymore on this thread.


Admission of defeat.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:12 am EST
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'FlashMarsh' said:
'Jorster' said:
I think I'm done here. I'm not going to post anymore on this thread.


Admission of defeat.

You think that because I'm refusing to take part in these stupid games, that I'm admitting defeat? Nope. It means I'm being the bigger person, and ignoring this argument.


Isa
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:13 am EST
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Continuation of attack. Unprovoked insult.
FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:14 am EST

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'Jorster' said:
'FlashMarsh' said:
'Jorster' said:
I think I'm done here. I'm not going to post anymore on this thread.


Admission of defeat.

You think that because I'm refusing to take part in these stupid games, that I'm admitting defeat? Nope. It means I'm being the bigger person, and ignoring this argument.


Ignoring an argument is being a bigger person? That's a silly thing to say. That is not wanting to respond because you know you're beaten.

Also Isa - That was not an insult.
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:15 am EST
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Lol @ the ignoring of Isa
Ninja'd:Is anything being accomplished from this thread? No? Then I'm done here.


FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:18 am EST

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That's because Isa is not contributing anything. He is just stating that something that isn't an insult is an insult. Come on Isa. You're 19, you should be able to defend the karma system better than that.
Isa
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:18 am EST
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I'm making a meta-reference here to how I perceive your posts in other threads, of which you disapprove.

My point is that because you enter the thread with different levels of hostility, you get very negative reactions back. Feedback can be negative and still delivered in a way that does not offend the recipient, but you do not take this path. I do not know if this is because you don't know how to or if you do not care whether your posts offend the recipient or not, but I think it's the latter.

If you want people to take and accept your criticism, then you must care about not offending them. If you do not, you're not more than a troll.
Isa
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:18 am EST
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And I am not posting about the Karma System - I am posting about you here.
FlashMarsh
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:21 am EST

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I should probably be less hostile, yes. But what do you expect when all of this stuff has been bottled up for fear of the wrath of the Karma System?
Jorster
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:24 am EST
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The "wrath" of the Karma system is ridiculous. You should try not to offend other users because you aren't a complete douche, not because you're afraid of the Karma system. (No I'm not calling Flash a douche)


Isa
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:25 am EST
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'Jorster' said:
The "wrath" of the Karma system is ridiculous. You should try not to offend other users because you aren't a complete douche, not because you're afraid of the Karma system. (No I'm not calling Flash a douche)

This is completely true.
shos
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Sunday, June 3 2012, 10:27 am EST
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Flash, while some of the stuff you say are indeed possible discussion topics, you should really take stuff less seriously. sure, the karma system is flawed etc etc. sure, I don't criticise Silver's artwork. but hey, we're humans, what the hell do you want from me? you want me to go throuhg each and every one of silver's hundreds of drawings and seek for the flaws in them? well nope, not going to go anywhere near that. the discussion abuot the karma in that thread has already been done, but even unrelated to that, go look for my 4 posts or so in that thread. probably one was complimenting, then the next was 'how comes none of those have hands?' and then something like 'nice hands' lol.

I'm really not sure what you're looking for. a 3.5 rating is legitimate as long as you justify it. so yeah, you even partially justified it. but what are you comparing it to? I'd accept such a rating if you're giving a hatpc veteran a rating for his cave. they would know probably all there is to know, playtest the cave, etc etc. so you can definitely compare it to other stuff. but in minecraft? the color scheme is bland? who says I want to see many colors there.? justification is not just saying 'too hard'. it's saying which part is too hard, etc. too bland of a scheme, so you should probably use moer wood/pants/gloves/books. THAT is better. just invest more time in the description you give to ratings.

even if that was done; we've alraedy been through the 'how you say it' thingie.

Here is what I am expecting in rates of stuff I understand:
http://www.interguild.org/levels/index.php?id=659&page_number=1&viewpost=1338727441#1338727441

supposing you actually know and play minecraft, I'd expect that when you criticise a minecraft level, you will invest at least that much.



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