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Au clair de la lune
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Thursday, October 17 2013, 12:14 am EST

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ACTUAL CRITICISMS OF THE INTERGUILD

PLEASE DO NOT DELETE MY POST. I AM ACTUALLY TRYING TO PROVE VALID POINTS!!!!  
YOU MUST HEAR ME OUT. I WANT THIS SITE TO BE AN ACTUAL COMPETENT WEBSITE.

1. Favorism

Favorism is a BIG issue on here. Certain members are worshipped while others are SHOT DOWN for absolutely no other reasons than being them. I am NOT saying that there is something wrong with liking certain people better than others but this, this is just wrong!   You BULLY and PICK on certain members, even when they don't even saying something stupid!  

Examples of FAVORED MEMBERS:

- Shos
- Sefro
- Livio
- Quirvy
- Harumbai
- Jellsprout

Examples of BULLIED MEMBERS:

- sup_mus
- kk[insertnumbers]
- Cedric
- bang_jan
- a_neezles_a
- aych bee
- Rocket Guy

The PROBLEM here is that being favored gets you out of trouble and being NOT favored makes everything you do wrong  


Exhibit A: Sefro LIED to the Interguild for 5 years and he is STILL accepted around here. This must be because you think "Dando" is "Awesome".
HERE'S THE THING. DANDO WAS AWESOME. SEFRO IS A STUPID LIAR. How is this FAIR?

Exhibit B: Quirvy always picks on little kids. He SWORE at Krotomo and SoccerBoy because they said his cave was impossible. Can't handle it much?!?!?!?!?! Next up, he told Hannah Banana to shut up when she was EIGHT YEARS OLD. Rude much??????   But people still like him...

Exhibit C: http://www.interguild.org/levels/index.php?id=90&page_number=1&viewpost=1348846895#1348846895
SUP MUS GOT NEGATIVE KARMA FOR STATING HIS OPINION!! BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM.

Exhibit D: You all shamed a_neezles_a for her bad caves when she came on here and posted them. Must I remind you she was 6? WHEN YOU ARE 6 YOU HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO THINK ABOUT THAN CAVES! BACK IN MY DAY, 6 YEAR OLDS WERE JUST LEARNIGN THE ALPHABET AND CRAYON COLORING!!  

~-~-~

2. Approval

What is the Interguild, Mean Girls? It's like you need APPROVAL to be liked around here... If you don't do something awesome, don't make a great cave, memorable topic, discover a glitch... being an all around GOOD PERSON gets you NOWHERE ANYMORE!!!1  

Exhibit A: Everybody HATED Thomas until he made the Fiddler prgora!

Exhibit B: No one gave one   about Hannah Banana until she started making Aeon Artwork!!

XOXOXO

3. Sexism

Have you wondered why ALL the girls of the Interguild either never log on, hate, or couldn't care less about the Interguild now?? Because they have NO PLACE!! All the games here are BOYISH and VIOLENT.

Example:

aych bee QUIT.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO A_NEEZLES_A.
Silver is ignored and doesn't seem to be so interested in this website any longer.
WHO HAS SEEN DBX, SMF2, ZENDA KITTY, WOODSTOCK, ANGEL FISH, OR ANY OF THE GIRLS FOR QUITE A WHILE?!!?!1

iiiiiii

4. Incompetent Moderators

As shown in my PREVIOUS EXAMPLE there is SO MUCH BULLYING AROUND, yet NOTHING is ever done to stop it. the only person you EVER ban is Neezles when she makes a troll account. (Refer to 1. Favorism!!!)
Thomas thinks he has the right to go around and use magical scripts to hack people when this is ILLEGAL... yet he is STILL around?!?!!??!?!!??! Geez!!!!

Let me give my criticism of each and every moderator...

1. CSD - When was the last time someone has actually SEEN him do anything moddish?
2. Harumbai - ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3. Isa - Pretty good.
4. Jebby - ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
5. Jellsprout - ...
6. Livio - Refer to the next section.
7. Quirvy - Refer to 1. Favorism.
8. Sefro - Refer to 1. Favorism.
9. Shos - Pretty good and fair.

As you can see there are only TWO moderators who actually deserve to be, but I'm sure there are MANY users who deserve it much more.....

5. Incompetent Administrator

I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF LIVIO. He is the only one who gets to actually update this website, yet he comes on once in a blue moon. Guses what, Livio, if YOU can't run this website, then SHUT IT DOWN, or GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. You can't say you are the administrator BUT NEVER COME ON.

You know whose example you should follow? YOUR TWIN BROTHER HAILY. HE shut down Icecaves.net because he KNEW that he had other projects and look where he is now! He has a girlfriend that is selfie-worthy, got a job as a Research Assistant and his own page on the U of A. While YOU, Livio, have your linkedin propic as a SELFIE of you wearing A POLO! Shame on you  

6. Aeon

JUST SAY YOU QUIT!!! The last demo was released nearly TWO YEARS AGO. You are not showing any effort each day to improve this game a little bit and you have the NERVE to say it's a current project! And how dare you take the member's art and think you can use it! As a personal assistant of H.B., I recognize that SHE posted some graphics on the Graphics page that you are currently using and I HOPE YOU KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE TO SUE YOU ANY TIME SHE WANTS TO!!!!!  

yOU MAY FREELy ARgue and discuss with VALID points.  
Jorster
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1. 10/10 would listen to rant again
2. Everyone knows CSD is a reincarnation of Jesus himself
3. Livio looks mighty sexy in a polo


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Thursday, October 17 2013, 5:59 am EST
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Cedric isn't hated?


Can you feel your heart burning?
Can you feel the struggle within?
The fear within me is beyond anything your soul can make, you cannot kill me in a way that matters
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Thursday, October 17 2013, 8:07 am EST
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Re:
1A) Even as Dando, Sefro was a nice and helpful member who made good levels. Even if the entire persona was made up, the contributions he provided to the site were good enough that it doesn't matter. Compare this to your hundreds of accounts which do nothing more than spam up the forum. While I'm not too happy about impersonating, if it actually improves the site I'm willing to let it slide.
1 I think all that was several years ago. We were all young and stupid back then and did things none of us are proud of. However, that is all in the past now. It doesn't say anything about Quirvy as a person now. And HB hasn't been 8 for a long time. I think you were 14 or something when you first joined?
1C) That is one single vote by one single member. It is not in our place to moderate these isolated incidents. I don't know why the person who gave that vote did it, but it was an isolated incident and therefor not anything we should do something about.

2A) Everyone hated Thomas when he was an obnoxious annoying guy. He stopped doing that long before the Fiddler stuff. He wasn't exactly the most respected guy, but he wasn't hated anymore. And yes, we have praised Thomas more since he found out about the Fiddler stuff, but it is only fair to reward people who contribute like that.
2 Like Thomas, that is because you were very annoying before you started making the artwork. When you started doing that, you were contributing enough to keep you around. Like this current account of your's, as long as you don't annoy everyone too much, there is no reason to ban you.

3) To be fair, a lot of guys have left as well. Who has seen Livio around lately? There are some people who like it enough here to stick around, but most people just leave after a while. It might be that Silver didn't feel at home here being the only girl, but as far as sexism goes this site is actually pretty good. There are very few, if any sexist jokes or image dumps of hot females. In the past we did have some jokes of Dando being a girl, but as a staff member I figured she could take it.

4) Thomas shows insecurities in the site, but doesn't abuse it. If he wanted, he could probably have taken the site down. What he does is just harmless fun. As long as it remains harmless, we have no reason to take any action against it.
As for the mods, most of them are grandfathered into the position. Jebby and CSD don't moderate that much, but in the past they were important members of the site and became moderators because of that. Jebby especially, considering he started the whole Interguild in the first place.
By now most of the staff business is handled by Isa, Quirvy and me, but all the other members still contribute and they became staff for a reason.

5) Eh, I agree Livio could spend more time online. However to go so far as to suggest he should shut the site down, that is going too far. With the current framework the staff can handle things fine. We still enjoy it here, so it would only be selfish of him to shut it down (like Haily and IceCaves).

6) We all agree here.


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The first years I was on the interguild, I was a little trollin' 10-year-old, and I never got treated unfairly despite me doing the same to others. I personally find that the members of this site are some of the nicest people ever.
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'Au clair de la lune' said:
3. Isa - Pretty good.

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Thursday, October 17 2013, 4:16 pm EST
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5): that's like shutting down the site when the owner died even though there's 10 people willing to take over. just because the site is small doesn't mean people don't care for it.


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I'm confused, is this Neezles or like Neezles' cat or something with an alternate account?


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As a kid I always thought tennisballs looked delicious and I liked biting them. I still remember the feel of the fuzz on my teeth and tongue.
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Thursday, October 17 2013, 6:59 pm EST
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I don't have anything to do with Fiddler. I posted a link that lets you play HatPC from any browser and bypass neopets' incorrect checks saying the user doesn't have the correct shockwave. CSD came up with the Fiddler trick.

There are many legitimate points in the OP though.
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I'll never really understand this whole neezles thing. Parts of this feels like trolling, but this looks like it took quite some time to make up, and does raise some good points.

But there are also a lot of, what appears to me at least, glaring flaws.

This doesn't actually refute any of your main arguments, but honestly I don't get where you're getting the idea that shos is an exceptional staff member compared to everyone else. I suppose I could have a misperception somehow, or just not have noticed his work as much, but it's always been my impression that he doesn't do very much at all. I wouldn't say he does anymore than people like Sefro/Harumbai.

1A. Sefro's persona was not intended to be malicious, so while surprising, he confessed to it himself rather than having been caught, and it didn't actually do any harm. The only difference I've noticed between Dando-Sefro and current Sefro is that we thought that Dando-Sefro was a girl. Do you think that he's less awesome now, because before you thought he was a girl, or do you just think he's less awesome because he admitted Flora to be a lie? And you actually have it backwards. Dando-Sefro was the one that was lying, current Sefro is the one that was truthful.

1B. You seem to have that incident of me "swearing" at krotomo and soccer set in stone in your mind as my defining character trait and why I'm a bad person who bullies people. I told Hannah Banana to shut up when she was 8? When was that? like 5-6 years ago? Or are you talking about something I said in the last couple years when I banned you? I honestly don't even know what you're talking about. (Side note: I don't even know who Hannah Banana is anymore. Are you Hannah Banana? Was Neezles Hannah Banana all along?)

If we're going to judge people based on things they said and did so long ago, how about these posts from an account you made a couple years back:

'Andrea' said:
dando u suck
'Andrea' said:
ckjr quit being a supid coward and grow up dont be a jr be a tough sr
'Andrea' said:
livio u can go cut urself with a sharp knife 4 all i care
And of course there are more posts that are too explicit for me to post here.

And what about this from last year?

Wednesday, 4:19pm - Cedrics Mother Cedric, I am Very Disappointed on teh result of your Chris Brown remix.

What's that they say about people who live in glass houses? You complain about how it's wrong how some members get bullied, while you yourself were bullying one of the very members you listed.

Also, here's a humorous post from a related topic:
'jellsprout' said:
+2 bans for me. Trudie and Quirvys Wife.
'Quirvy' said:
dude, why did you ban my wife?


If you're wondering why you get treated "unfairly", it's because of stuff like "Andrea" and "Cedrics Mother". When you do stuff like that, when you spam, make personal attacks, lewd posts, and over 100 spam accounts just for the heck of it, yeah, you're going to get banned. It's been said before, but if you'd just act normally you wouldn't get banned. We knew that you were Bryan pretty much the whole time, but since you weren't doing anything malicious we didn't take action. Didn't want action to be taken against you? Maybe you shouldn't have made Karma Rhinoceros and spammed a bunch of karma rates, as well as making a bunch of other accounts for no good reason (I'm looking at you, Stephen Harper)


2A. Thomas is not well respected because of the fiddler discovery. He turned the corner before that, and honestly people don't even really care about the fiddler discovery any more. I think most people consider it too much work to do all that stuff just to get around the uploader glitch.

2B. People were certainly impressed by HB's ability to create artwork, but another largely motivating factor towards her gaining respect is how good she looked in comparison to neezles. Same person, different person, I'm honestly not sure nor do I care that much anymore, but they went hand-in-hand, and that made HB look very good (by comparison to neezles). And didn't you already say that HB (aych bee) gets bullied on here? Doesn't you using her as an example of changing favoritism contradict her as an example of a "bullied" member? Either way Hannah Banana acted mature and reasonable and as a result was treated well.

3. "All the games here are BOYISH and VIOLENT." You're accusing us of being sexist because our games our violent? That's like saying that an elementary school is sexist because they only hire elementary school teachers, and most elementary school teachers are female. Or that a construction company is sexist because they only hire people for jobs that will have mostly male applicants. This is completely preposterous.

Also worth noting that the game that all of this was founded on featured a female lead character.

4. You don't really have any basis to judge the work that our staff members do. Last time I checked, you do not have access to the staff forum, and thus you don't know who plans, who bans the trolls and spam accounts, who approves videos, whoever it is when the featured content is eventually updated. I can't even genuinely comment on who does what. CSD is really the only person that I can't remember doing anything in the recent past, but I can't definitively say that he hasn't, I just don't remember.


I have nothing further to add.



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Saturday, October 19 2013, 11:31 am EST
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My perspective is this:
The OP is criticizing life, not this site.
The internet is the land of merit and demerit. People will respect you (or not) because of your actions; "being a good person" means nothing if you don't display the traits of a good person. "So what if I just murdered three people and ate their kidneys? I'm still a good person!" No, you aren't. People on this site aren't corrected for doing good; they are corrected for doing bad. Even saying that, I feel like our community is extremely lenient, especially compared to other sites I frequent. For example, I often feel that Yimmy needs to be confronted for the post he makes, but I refrain from doing so because I know he is young, so I let that delinquency slide when I normally would not. I'm not a staff member, but I still have the authority of being another person and the belief that the world is a better place when wrongdoing is challenged and not accepted by social convention, rather than by some lofty "authority figure".
Indeed, notice what happens when people troll on youtube. How does that community respond? Far more harshly than this one, for sure. What about on blogs? News sites? Gaming communities? They have no tolerance for such things.
You say this:
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I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF LIVIO. He is the only one who gets to actually update this website, yet he comes on once in a blue moon. Guses what, Livio, if YOU can't run this website, then SHUT IT DOWN, or GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. You can't say you are the administrator BUT NEVER COME ON.

Let's get something straight here: this website is Livio's property. He built it, he owns it, he owns the machines it is hosted on (approximately). He can do whatever he very well feels like with it, and you have no right to say otherwise. If he wants to leave it to rot for all eternity without removing it, then there is no reason why he shouldn't.
You say this:
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I recognize that SHE posted some graphics on the Graphics page that you are currently using and I HOPE YOU KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE TO SUE YOU ANY TIME SHE WANTS TO!!!!!

No, she can't. I suggest you research copyright law and read the terms and conditions of this site.


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Saturday, October 19 2013, 11:37 am EST
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"For example, I often feel that Yimmy needs to be confronted for the post he makes, but I refrain from doing so because I know he is young, so I let that delinquency slide when I normally would not."
if people don't confront me, i probably won't know what i'm doing wrong since i'm young. this is my first forum, so i didn't even barely know what i was joining when i was joining, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't tell me what i do wrong


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Au clair de la lune
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I agree Yimmy, people need to start telling you what you did wrong!!! They relentlessly bully you and -Karma when you are a simple little person who should actually be TOLD what was so bad....

I think I know more than you do snipereborn! Anytime HB decides she no longer wants her graphics being used she has the right to sue for continuation of usage.

LIVIO may be the owner of this site, but this site would be NOTHING without the Members. LIVIO can do what he wants to do, but would the MEMBERS stick by if he made stupid decisions?

I dont know where YOU come from, but where I live, being a overall good person is by HELPING PEOPLE, GIVING ADVICE, COMMENTING ON CREATONS, and just BEING NICE AND RESPECTFUL. That's how it is in REAL LIFE. Not that we have to invent stuff, and come up with unique magical ideas............
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Saturday, October 19 2013, 4:17 pm EST
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When Livio updates the site, it would make sense for him to check back and see if people like it. The reason we stay is because of the community. We're all sort of an internet friend group. None of us know our "real" personalities, but most of us have a nice "internet" personality. If I hadn't met Teo and had fun and liked him, I would've left ages ago. But thanks to Teo, I like the community enough to stay. Sure there are exceptions, but that won't stop us from staying. For example, I HATE Darvince and binary guy, but have I quit? No, because the other parts of the community are nice enough to help me stay.

TL;DR Third paragraph is wrong


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Saturday, October 19 2013, 10:28 pm EST
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'Au clair de la lune' said:
I think I know more than you do snipereborn! Anytime HB decides she no longer wants her graphics being used she has the right to sue for continuation of usage.
You think wrong. Here's the complete listing of US copyright law. You might be interested in Ch2.
'Au clair de la lune' said:
LIVIO may be the owner of this site, but this site would be NOTHING without the Members. LIVIO can do what he wants to do, but would the MEMBERS stick by if he made stupid decisions?
They have thus far.
'Au clair de la lune' said:
I dont know where YOU come from, but where I live, being a overall good person is by HELPING PEOPLE, GIVING ADVICE, COMMENTING ON CREATONS, and just BEING NICE AND RESPECTFUL. That's how it is in REAL LIFE.
That is a very odd moral code (and not at all how it is in real life). Most people consider morality to stem from something more... useful.


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Au clair de la lune
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So you're saying that in order to be a good person, you need to accomplish something that will always be remembered?? Is that how it is in Arizona? No wonder Livio's such a

P.S. YOU obviously are not a good person.
Very defining example:
"I might be willing to wager that humans can't exist without some sort of religion"
Stoopid invalidation of athiests!

And more:

"A woman's brain is 10% smaller than a man's brain"
How dare you imply that women are less smart than men? You are a gross, stupid, uneducated, politically incorrect sexist. This is not bullying because I am a 5 year old against a 21.

Cutie Butie Hefeve
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Saturday, October 19 2013, 10:44 pm EST
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Erm, none of what you said has anything to do with me. So I guess lying is something you consider a good character trait?


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I didn't say that. When did I say that? If you think I am lying about being 5, I'm not, but I never said I was a good person.
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Saturday, October 19 2013, 10:46 pm EST
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No, the quotes you are attempting to contribute to me are not real. Thus, lying.

EDIT:
@mods I believe nezzels has maliciously violated rules 1, 2, 3, and 4 in this exchange. Given the clear intent here and the fact that her(?) actions are a part of a pattern of misconduct, I think it ought to be taken seriously.


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'Au clair de la lune' said:

And more:

"A woman's brain is 10% smaller than a man's brain"
How dare you imply that women are less smart than men? You are a gross, stupid, uneducated, politically incorrect sexist. This is not bullying because I am a 5 year old against a 21.

Cutie Butie Hefeve


That doesn't even make sense!

Even if it is true that snipereborn said that (which it's probably not), this sentence:
1. Does not imply that woman are less smart than men
2. Making such a statement does not make someone:
- gross (what does gross have to do with brain size)
- stupid (making an assertion, true or false, does not make someone stupid)
- uneducated (on the contrary, someone would need to be at least somewhat educated to make a claim like this)
- sexist (there is a distinction between sexes, but it is not "unfair or prejudicial" in this case because it is stated as a fact)
3. It is perhaps politically incorrect but that does is not relevant.
4. What? There aren't any constraints on age regarding what is considered bullying
5. This wouldn't be bullying even if you didn't claim it wasn't bullying because there's no intimidation involved

If it is not true that snipereborn said that, well then the entire section of your post is invalid

Also what in ponyland is "Cutie Butie Hefeve".

P.S. i only bothered clicking on the topic because i have no clue what paging is
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Sunday, October 20 2013, 12:04 am EST

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Who's lying now snipereborn?

http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/topic.php?id=5059&page_number=21&viewpost=1349663931#1349663931

DON'T LIE TO ME, OR ATTEMPT TO PROVE ME WRONG. EVER. IT WILL NEVER WORK OUT.

Also, I am not breaking Rule 1, because I didn't insult any cave. There is no cave involved in this discussion.
Rule 2 I did somewhat break, but I'm 6.  
It is okay to insult you because you are rude and deserve it.  
There is not a single swear word in my post.  

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Sunday, October 20 2013, 12:11 am EST
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'Au clair de la lune' said:
Who's lying now snipereborn?
Still you.
'snipereborn' said:
A woman's brain is 10% smaller than a man's brain, so people who don't know better could easily argue that they aren't mentally equal either (I know much about this topic and am not saying this is true).
@binary: The fact about women's brain size is true, however, intelligence is a function of the ratio of brain mass to body mass (roughly speaking). So, while women have smaller brains, they also have smaller bodies, thus apparent intelligence evens out.
'snipereborn' said:
I might be willing to wager that humans can't exist without some sort of religion, so you'd have to clarify what you mean. Everyone worships something, though they might not build an alter to it or say prayers. If we weren't worshiping deities or spirits (which is what I think you mean by religion), then we'd worship something else, probably war, money, sex, and such.


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'snipereborn' said:
'Au clair de la lune' said:
Who's lying now snipereborn?
Still you.

I laughed harder at this than i probably should have...


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'Au clair de la lune' said:

DON'T LIE TO ME, OR ATTEMPT TO PROVE ME WRONG. EVER. IT WILL NEVER WORK OUT.

who are you cause honestly, that was arrogant. And *serious question* what were the coughs for? Did you cough while you were typing that or...


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Well. So I won't be answering everything because honestly I'm terribly hungry and have to go in a short while and take a shower before so...

mainly, I agree with what jell and Quirvy and yimmy wrote in macro.

in micro, I would like to give my status regarding 'incapable moderators' or whatever that was.

The current age of the interguild is nearing SEVEN YEARS. that's a LOT. some of us, have been here since that time; meaning, for example in my case, I started out here age 14. now I'm nearing 21. and there's life in this age that isn't on 14.

The average age of current Interguild users ia around 16~ I guess, with most active members below it. the Staff members, are all of ages 19-24~ if I recall correctly. most people here are intelligent, due to the nature of the site. in this age, most of us have begun college. some even finished. people have real life work. people have salaries and payments to take care of. girlfriends, boyfriends, university, I dunno what.

the fact that staff members are practically still here every so often is by itself an interesting fact. we(at least I) go on as often as we like when we can, and this isn't nearly as much as was in the past. in those old times, I had the entire july-august months to be here active. now I barely find time to speak to with my girlfriend in weekdays. when we come on, we check everything, there are many duties a staff member can take care of. some are indeed weak - for example - we have 5 games pending acception to the site for like 2 years IMO. but videos are approved daily, bad stuff are moderated out, etc. so yeah, you can call me fair and good, but you cannot call Livio anything bad - he is now studying for a degree in computer design AND working for microsoft simultaneously iirc, and we don't know what else. people have LIVES. the interguild is all fun and good but its priority is lesser, so this happens.

if you have any further questions for staff-regarding things, I'd be happy to answer you in PMs.



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