That's right— since I'd made a post before the game started in favor of lynching someone quickly, I felt that I should stick to that sort of an attitude. Anyway, remember that bloodthirsty mobs can never be wrong.

What kind of post is that. Be pro town please

Readlist:
1. Yimmy - Light town lean - not a lot of activity but some good posts
2. Isa - Town lean - I'm inclined to believe his claim unless something changes.
3. HB - Light town lean - Been playing pretty pro town, been reasonably active
4. RG - Light to moderate scum lean - Self explanatory, reasons already stated
5. Soccer - light town lean - Hasn't done much to point to scum, pretty pro town so far
6. Mymop - Neutral to light scum lean - Nothing but fluff.
7. Jory - Duh
8. atvelonis - Neutral - Hasn't done a whole lot pro town but also hasn't done anything scummy per se. Still developing read
9. darvince - Neutral - Same as above

re: rocket guy2. aych bee had two exams this week and that alone is the reason for her inactivity. actually rocket guy2's comment about early posts not meaning much only makes me more suspicious of him. it's like he knows that he's dug himself into a hole and now he's trying to get out. mymop's general antagonism also makes me wary but he hasn't been too active so far so I don't wanna make any hasty judgements.

honestly i'm partially inclined to lynching darvince just to see what happens, in case he has some kind of special role... i mean it's still pretty early on in the game so the worst case scenario is that he's innocent and just messing around but we'd still have a bunch of people left on the town side.

Also i'm in full agreement with soccer regarding the bizarre nicknames thing. Like, can we please generally not

I'd rather let the day play out and see who looks scummiest rather than policy lynching darvince for the heck of it. I'd be down with a rg2 lynch over that

Ninja'd: Agreed

Uh, I didn't actually read the jester page on the mafia wiki. priorities priorities (sorry but there are things in life that are more important than mafia). So yeah I just looked over that and I take what I said back, let's not do anything with darvince for now. I definitely agree that he doesn't seem as scummy as rocket guy2 for example, and since town's strength lies in numbers we probably don't want to risk lynching an innocent.

in reference to mymop's two posts:





your comment on isa is true albeit stating the very obvious. i'll assume the second part of the first post is late-RVS, but as stated by others, it's bordering on outside of RVS. this post essentially says nothing.

i don't even know what to think of your second post though. like jory said, very anti-town behavior. please post more. i know people get busy, but the game really gets bogged down without decent activity. with effectively only one post, and that one post not helping anyone, i'm not a fan.

FoS: mymop (finger of suspicion)
I don't plan on voting quite yet, at least until you make a post explaining yourself.

ok im just gonna list my thoughts person by person because that's the only way i can atually gather them at all:

Isa: the miller claim is meaningless unless you're the cop. Besides that he's really only questioned people (and voted someone because of inactivity), which isn't anti-town by any means but it's surely easier for scum to question than to feign logic. I'd like to see some more of his thoughts. neutral/slight scum
HB: the first person to actually make an argument and vote based on actual logic, and has been fairly transparent with her thoughts. slight town
RG: no need repeating myself. go read my other post. moderate scum
Soccer: He's helping the newbies, but really hasn't done much in the way of actual thoughts. He did provide the primary push out of RVS though. neutral/slight town
Mymop: His first post is excusable as assuming it's still RVS (and he was the first to question Isa's miller claim, so it's not like he wasn't trying at all). his second post is pretty stupid though. neutral/slight scum
Jorster: Has been actively questioning and making decent arguments. moderate town
Atvelonis: Hasn't done anything pro-town (unless you count contributing to the miller discussion but I still think that's a waste of time). Once again, pls play the game. neutral
Dar: He's added to the arguments of others, but nothing entirely of his own. neutral/slight scum

It's too early to put RG at L-2 IMO, so I'll just stick with an FOS for now

unvote:Atvelonis
FoS: Rocketguy2

@HB:

town effectively only has strength in numbers. Although the odds of lynching scum on the first day are quite low, it's not good to waste a vote.

Just to help show how the game runs and how quickly it can turn, I went and found a tree diagram for 7-2 games (based on random voting):



from
http://games-net.de/hosted/tggc/trash/mafiacalc.php?mafia=2&town=7&phase=0&votechance=0&detail=1&do=Go%21


Now, obviously, lynching scum day 1 is hard, but it increases success by a lot. Throwing it away is not good, as it effectively diminishes town by 2. Lynching town 2 days in a row close to nets a loss. So be aware of how quick this game could be over.

We don't want to hasten this.

FoS: Rocket Guy2
I wouldn't normally think much of a comment defending someone else this early on in the game (could easily just be someone trying to prevent unnecessary lynchings), but I agree with Joster et al. that RG's evasiveness in later posts is a little more suspicious. The natural conclusion here would be that Darvince could also be scum if RG is, but he hasn't done anything out of the ordinary himself so I'm not gonna make any accusations.

Love the chart Soccer, that's actually really useful.

Okay, my evasiveness has clearly put me into a hole, so I'm going to see if I can make my feelings clear

so, sorry for doing the weird nickname thing, I didn't think it would have been as big of an issue as it was.

I feel like mymop's trying to put across a point here, but I'm not sure, because the way he said it was cryptic and really unusual. either way FoS: mymop

for HB, your reason for being afk is understandable, but I'm not sure if I agree with a darvince lynch. I feel like other than his first post, he has been mostly passive, and hasn't done much to warrant a lynch. me getting lynched is much more understandable. Also, there aren't any neutral roles in the game, so unless Shos has done some weird stuff with the roles, I doubt he is jester.

I agree with soccerboy's statement, I feel that other than me, mymop has been the most suspicious. That chart is also helpful, and just shows how quickly the town can lose in this scenario if we don't find out who the mafia are.

For yimmy, I can understand most of your opinions, but I'm not sure if I agree with your opinions on isa, because when else would he be able to claim miller, once he's been investigated and revealed?

Atvelonis definitely has a good point, I have certainly avoided questions, but hopefully here I can sort of show my innocence?

You think that mymop has a point, so you're considering voting for him? What? That makes no sense at all, you should want him to explain, and pressuring him won't make him come on Interguild faster. You didn't try and defend yourself at all other than to say "yeah everyone's arguments against me are cool". Try harder.

Unvote: aych bee

mymop has a point, I just don't know what his point is. if he could explain what that point is, then I'll probably remove my FoS

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends in: February 28, 4:00 a.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

Mymop (1) - Isa
Rocketguy (2) - aych bee, Jorster

NOT VOTING:
Darvince, atvelonis, Rockeyguy, Mymop, Soccerboy, Yimmy

Nobody is due prods.

don't get stuck in the "faking logic" part. the easiest thing to do in this game is to see what's happening, restate it without making it seem as that's what youre doing and pass the torch on.


i think rocket guy could easily be town, of the new/inexperienced variety. he has an enthusiasm that first time scum players dont tend to have, and him stumbling on the way is not uncommon.

i'm still most suspicious of mymop.

my call atm for second scum is soccerboy who has mostly been commenting on other's posts without adding too much insight. he's posting a lot of posts about how to increase game quality, but not much in the way of scumhunting. im noting that.

my primary scum call and vote still rests on mymop though. i want more votes on him. drive him up to L-1 right now.

Uhhh

Anyways, Vote:Mymop. Has literally done nothing to help out with the game

no my reasoning is that there's no other time he'd claim miller regardless of whether or not he's scum

Sure, I'll go with my second scum lean
Vote: Mymop
Strong FoS: Rocketguy

Ahh, that makes more sense Yimmy, thanks for explaining.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what exactly do you mean by that?


That's very sensible. As I explained in my previous post, my thirst for blood was basically just to be consistent with the first comment I made in this topic. I made that first comment for two reasons; first, because I thought it would be mildly amusing, and second, because I think I have a reputation for militarism/bloodthirstiness due to how much military-related stuff I've built in Minecraft, so it would fit in with what people expected from me.


I assume that RVS means something along the lines of "early-game light-heartedness", in which case that's what my first post was (mostly). I was actually slightly suspicious of Isa but after reading the further discussions about why he would post his role, I don't doubt him anymore.
The second part of that post was intended entirely as a joke, and I think that's pretty clear; the logic I used to arrive at the conclusion that Yimmy was scum is very flimsy and convoluted, and Atvelonis can testify that I often joke like that in real life.


Perhaps the bit at the end was a bit stupid. I put in the last sentence as a joke, and I put in the link to clarify that it was a joke; the scene I linked was about a poet getting lynched by a mob who mistook him for one of Julius' Caesar's assassins.


It's cryptic because there's not really any logic behind it, and there isn't actually any point; most of what I've been posting was to give people a good laugh (except this post, of course). I expected this game to be a lot more light-hearted than it's turning out to be.


I hope this post was sufficient as an explanation. If not, let me know exactly what you're confused about— "explain yourself" isn't quite specific enough for me to know exactly what makes me seem suspicious.  

I've mostly been just posting information related posts because at the moment, I can't tell whether signs are pointing to inexperienced or scum. For everyone else, RG and mymop are the top two suspects, but it kinda just looks like bad posting (which sorry RG, I don't mean to offend. You used to make a lot of bad posts, though everyone younger on IG has). Looking at mymop's second post, mymop actually expected us to read and understand the link in his post??? Not inexcusable, but also not necessarily scummy. I'm hoping we can just get through the inexperience quickly, so it'll be obvious if something is scummy or just bad style.

Mymop, just keep posting more. Though it's a game, it's one that doesn't really work if some goof around... so like, have fun, but also don't (unintentionally) sabotage it. I figure you know this now. Hopefully, the current state of activity can sustain itself/grow.

As of now, I think Jory's flying too under the radar. I'm not a fan of him switching his vote so easily, just because of the momentum of votes switching to mymop. In addition, the post encompassing the vote really didn't say much. To me, this seems like pushing for the day to end.

Vote: Jorster



Before anyone else calls this scummy, I believe Isa was looking to see who would hop on board. I'd put Isa at like 99% town.

I can understand Isa's argument for Soccerboy being scum (I just looked over his previous posts and most of them have, indeed, been more related to game quality than anything else), but I wouldn't call him the most suspicious person at the moment. I think what we really need to do is analyze each person's behaviour in relation to Mymop (and to a lesser extent Isa, who can kind of be said to have started the Mymop bandwagon). Assuming that Isa is innocent, which seems to be the consensus, that means he genuinely believes Mymop to be scum. We should examine the motivations of RG2 and Jory, who have both since voted for Mymop; I'd say there are three possibilities here:

1.) Both RG2 and Jory are innocent: This honestly seems too straightforward and RG2's behaviour still reads as scum to me; his latest posts have done nothing to dispel that.

2.) One is innocent, the other scum: Like I said before, RG2 is still my first choice for scum, but I must admit that Soccer presents a good perspective regarding Jory's guilt. I think I was too convinced of Jory's innocence after he agreed with my vote for RG2, but considering that I apparently "stole his thunder" I'd say that we came to the same conclusions independently. Unless I was horribly mistaken and he was trying to latch onto the first mistaken accusation of guilt to direct attention away from himself.

-- However, here's my most important point: if at least one of RG2 or Jory is scum, then Mymop probably isn't scum. Isa's word seems to hold enough sway around these parts that, if I were scum and I knew that Mymop is my partner-in-crime, I would definitely NOT risk voting for Mymop, considering that we are already two votes from a lynch (or L-2, if that's the lingo we're using around these parts) - that would effectively result in playing alone for the rest of the game.

3.) Both are scum: RG2 and Jory are in cahoots with each other and they both know that Mymop isn't scum. I'd say that this is the least likely possibility, considering their interactions on page 3 and Jory's grilling of RG2 for not answering the former's questions: that doesn't seem staged, so I highly doubt they're working together, or have communicated in any capacity outside this thread.

For now, I'm not changing my vote to Mymop; there are several other people who can bring Mymop to L-1, and my suspicions still generally lean towards RG2, which, in my opinion (as I explained in my second point), excludes Mymop from being scum.

I swapped votes quickly because I had both as scum reads previously, and wanted to see what the pressure would do, and it has produced a legitimate post from mymop (Maybe not super good, but legitimate nonetheless)

As for the nothing but fluff comment, I meant that all of your posts to that point weren't full of content. RVS is random voting stage by the way

Let's put out a hypothetical:
Isa Soccerboy scum team - Isa claims miller first post like he did in pokemon mafia, where it was believed. This prevents him from being investigated. Soccerboy coasts by posting game observations, until he sees something he can jump on. Isa says soccer is scum to distance them from each other. Soccer townreads isa to put even more distance between the two. Soccer starts a wagon on a townie, isa stays out of it because of wagon analysis

Something to think about. Not necessarily saying I think that's true, but anything is possible