Before I get to my analysis of the recent posts, I just want to say, yimmy, that if you feel that you could stick around, I think everyone here would prefer that you just keep playing. Replacements often can make...questionable decisions. If you legitimately don't care at all what happens, then sure, get replaced.

Agreed with Soccer. The day is coming to an end here guys, and I think we should start thinking about a lynch candidate. I can get behind a Yimmy lynch, but also if someone has a better argument for someone else I'm all ears. I've been on a trip all weekend and just started a new job so I haven't had much time to be as active as I'd like, but Im gonna be putting in an effort to be more active in the coming days.

Yimmy: as soccer said, it would be much better for you to stay rather than leave if possible.



Definitely this should be done. I feel hesitant to put pressure on soccerboy because of him defending my town status, but at the same time he could be scum using that to gain further trust in the long term. If, for example, I get night killed/lynched and come up as town, then that may lead to newer players unconditionally trusting his reads: if soccer is scum, that's game over.

HB's read list hasn't convinced me she's town, but hasn't really made me think of her as more scum, either. She did mention Jorster's sock comment, but other than that, nothing super original to indicate that she's making a big effort to be pro-town. But many people are in the same boat, so I would say my opinion of her has gotten more neutral?



Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jorster didn't ask for anyone to post reads list within that comment, he simply expressed that he wanted to shift the scum-hunting discussion away from me. And I would say he did contribute to that by pressuring soccerboy within that very post.


So you say there isn't enough information within this game to determine Isa's playstyle, but then just diminish/ignore meta because you don't like it? This may just be because of your apathy, but it seems pretty anti-town to disregard a valid way of reading someone like that.

Also, it makes sense that you think it's suspicious that soccerboy supports my town alignment despite having pointed out a number of reasons why I might be scum. However, his main argument for this is based off of Isa's miller claim combined with Isa's playstyle in other games, and you yourself have chosen to weaken that argument by not following up on/ignoring soccer's meta argument, for seemingly no valid reason.

Yimmy's reads list has led me to think of him as more scum-leaning. His latest arguments haven't been super convincing. He's been targeting me relentlessly while hardly providing reads for anyone else. His one other scum suspect is soccerboy, who has been the best contributor IMO, and his reasoning for that isn't great.

i don't like it meaning i don't think it's a valid way of reading someone. people are generally plenty aware of their own meta (and his second post gives me the impression he in particular is well aware of his meta). a person's town meta is exactly how scum is trying to play so we shouldn't townread people for doing exactly what theyd want to do as scum


its the timing and abruptness of it

on the subject replacing out: i know youd all prefer i stayed in, otherwise i wouldve left long ago. the thing is, though, i despise every second i spend reading, writing, or thinking about this game. its in my best interests to quit asap (regardless its entirely debatable whether a replacement would make worse decisions than someone who doesnt want to be playing)

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in: March 13, 4:00 a.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

Krotomo (1) - Yimmy
aych bee (1) - Krotomo
Yimmy (2) - Jorster, Soccerboy

NOT VOTING:
aych bee, mymop, atvelonis

Nobody is due prods.
Yimmy has requested replacement, but I kinda have nobody to offer to join but...quirvy? *pms*

Sorry for not getting to my comments last night. I'll try to keep this brief since we're a bit short on time now.

On mymop's readlist:
I think your readlist is pretty fair. I am curious as to who you would believe to be next in line for scum out of HB/Jorster.

On Kro's:
I would like for you to elaborate on mymop. "obvious reasons" aren't good enough, especially when a good amount of people see him to be a town read.

On HB's:
On addressing your scum team comment. It is perfectly fine to analyze how players interact. Entertaining ideas is also fine, but it's best to do so in the context of multiple teams. This is kind of what everyone is already doing in their heads, but usually, only one example gets written down. So like what are the odds of Kro-Jory? Kro-yimmy? Kro-mymop? etc. etc. (no particular order) This is usually done with some assumption that the first person is your scummiest candidate. Admittedly, I found the sock comment slightly out of character, even for Jory.

On Yimmy:
I think your comments on HB bring thoughts that I hadn't really put together. Although I do find one thing questionable: your case for Jory and HB are similar, by way of they both made really weak posts, and scum wouldn't want to make weak posts. I am not sure that this entirely validates them, although I suppose this is why you view them as slight town. I get what you're saying, but to me, it feels more feeling-based. Just saw your next post. Thank you for clarifying.

Also, I agree with you on mymop about being newbtown.


As for your comment, I just don't understand what there is to remember when I included your quote right above my commentary. It shows that your behavior is already predetermined to be against me and your evidence stems from that rather than the other way around (evidence leading to behavior).

Atvelonis:
Barring an extension, this is late day. I am unsure about how to read this. I'm starting to possibly read him as town, although not for the best reasons? Usually I am not a fan of indecision, but I am curious as to other thoughts on this: if Atvelonis were scum, would he just make up his mind and pick some random scum candidate? And then is this enough to go off of to believe him to be town? My intuition hates this idea since it encourages bad play, but it's also the closest thing to a read I have on him when most everyone else is getting null.

As for possible lynch candidates, yeah, the day is coming to an end and we should figure this out.
So far the top two candidates are Kro and Yimmy. I don't know how i feel about Yimmy's defense. I feel like it's a bit of a cop-out, kind of along the lines of the inactivity defenses we saw on Day 1, just taken on in a different form.

Then finally, Yimmy, as far as my abruptness goes, I can understand why others might view it as that. From my perspective, it was merely that I had momentarily not connected Kro's playing and Isa's. With Kro's post, everyone thought obvscum, which is fair since it was pretty terrible. However, I previously had Isa as my #1 town read, so I don't think my behavior really strayed away from my initial thoughts.  

Also shos, I could try to get in contact with quirvy or yaya.

I was mostly talking about his posts where he thinks I'm scum because he doesn't think I'm the "type of person who makes serious mistakes" based off his perception of me, plus the Elon Musk thing, which were both wrong and strange. I guess I focused on this too much simply because it was directed towards me.

I've been saying the sock thing for years now lmao

At this point I can't determine if Yimmy would be so apathetic as scum or as town, and I'm not liking the odds of getting lucky, but we'll see I guess. Should we ask for a claim from Yimmy? Reasoning behind that being that if it checks out we can focus on someone more scummy.

I'm not convinced that having him claim or pushing for a claim will benefit the town.

If he claims VT, I doubt we could determine whether he is scum fakeclaiming or actually town. If he's got a power role, he would be the prime target for the mafia. I don't see us moving much forward in either situation.  

Note: we have about 26 hours until deadline. Please everyone, get your thoughts down.

with less than a day left it seems im the primary lynch target so
im the cop with a guilty on soccer
i wouldve waited until d3 to claim this because a second investigation would've been neat (and i didn't care to push much early on because i seriously doubted i'd change anyones minds without claiming)
conveniently enough it also explains why my behaviour was "already predetermined to be against [soccer]": i know he's scum

I am the cop, yimmy is not.

Confirm vote: yimmy

Refer to my post here

Check paragraph 1 word 1, p3 word 3, p5 word 5, p4 word 4, p2 word 2. 13542.



Confirm Vote: Yimmy

who did you investigate

vote: soccerboy13542 btw

The other post where I made a similar format is here:

Note: I included paragraphs to be part of each paragraph.



The two messages:

Yeah, I am the cop.

Jory night got no result

To make it clear, I investigated Jory and go no result, meaning that there is a roleblocker, which is most likely mafia aligned.

edit by way of post: this should say "I included quotes to be part of each paragraph."

For a more formal claim:

I am Hannah, the cop.
I investigated Jory Night 1 and got no result.
I do not have any other abilities as a part of my role besides day voting.

i have important things to say but am currently at an event pls dont lynch me until like 10 IGT thx

Deadline is March 13th, 4 AM Interguilld time: ~9 HOURS FROM THIS POST!!!

Please, someone be online who has not already placed a vote on yimmy (i.e. not me or jory). Yimmy is banking on no one coming online.  

Soccer, I thought it was weird how you mentioned Jory's name in that second post, plus those typos. But I never considered that you'd hide a secret message.

This does support that your cop claim isn't just a reaction to recent circumstances, such as HB and I asking the cop to investigate you. It seems more that yimmy is the one claiming to be cop in order to prevent himself from getting lynched. However, you could have always foreseen something like this happening and put the message there without actually being cop; this isn't proof.

There's very little time left, so I'll bring yimmy to three votes. He's seemed very scummy with his latest posts. His cop claim seems to me like a panic response.

Vote: Yimmy

If yimmy turns out to be cop we can be pretty sure that soccer is scum.

One question I have for yimmy and soccer: if one of you is cop, why did you investigate the people that you claimed to?

Ninja'd: yimmy doesn't want to be lynched. I'm still bringing him to L-1. Almost anyone at an "event" would be sending these messages using their phone. Yimmy, what device are you on that doesn't have autocorrect?  

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in: March 13, 4:00 a.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

Soccerboy (1) - Yimmy
Yimmy (3) - Jorster, Soccerboy, Krotomo - L-1!

NOT VOTING:
aych bee, mymop, atvelonis

Prodding atvelonis, mympo, and aych bee

I investigated Jory because of his decently strong (but not overwhelming) presence and my initial suspicions. Having him as confirmed scum would be super lucky, while having him as a confirmed town would be good too because he would then be, in my opinion, one of the strongest allies. The latter part is the reason why I did not care to investigate the less active people.

Sorry for the inactivity!

Ok, this is the sort of thing I was hoping for. To me, Yimmy's response to the pressure votes on him seems more like a panic move than a genuine one. The fact that Soccer had laid out a message like that leads me to believe that he's more likely to be the cop than Yimmy, who, as far as I can tell, did not leave any messages for future encounters. He did make a certain number of comments about the cop role, but that's less concrete than Soccer's 13542 pattern; I would be more inclined to believe that Yimmy decided later on that he could use his cop comments as evidence that it was not a panic move if he were confronted about it.

Kro pointed out above that Soccer's hidden messages aren't proof of his innocence, but I think they're about as close as we can get. If we lynch Yimmy (which has my support at this time) and he ends up being a townie, then Soccer is almost definitely lying about his role (honestly, the chance of there being two cops seems rather low to me). Soccer would surely not have risked pretending to be the cop in this situation for this very reason.

I won't cast a vote yet because Kro has some remaining questions for Yimmy, but I'll be online for much of the evening to do so if they're answered.