The bodies of Jellsprout and DeathBunni X washed ashore near Placid Lake Beach early this morning. Based on the preliminary investigation, our local police tell me what they believe to be the causes of their deaths:
- Jellsprout was "poofed" too many times.
- DeathBunni X was mauled to death by bunnies.


Jellsprout was 'canadianstickdeath', Serial Killer, INDEPENDENTLY Aligned.
Hint: A Serial Killer can kill one person each night. They win when they are the only person left standing.


Lol.

DeathBunni X was 'GF4', Jack Of All Trades, TOWN Aligned.
Hint: A Jack Of All Trades has several abilities at their disposal, however, each of them may only be used once.


It wouldn't be inaccurate to assume that I couldn't exactly not say that it is or isn't almost partially incorrect.


Members of the council, the hour is growing late. Two days have passed, many of us have been lost, but we have yet to locate any of the people responsible. I have an uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that says, if we don't find some of the people responsible soon, all may be lost. We must not let the "overlord" take over our town!


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Roster:
1. Isa
2. Harumbai
3. Soccerboy13542
4. Silver
5. Guyguyxtreme
6. Dando
7. Yaya
8. Bmwsu

The Dead:
1. Jorster23 - 'Silver', Motivator, TOWN Aligned - Lynched D1
2. Woodstock - ????, ????, ???? - Killed N1
3. Thomas - 'Shos', Bodyguard, TOWN Aligned - Lynched D2
4. Jellsprout - 'canadianstickdeath', Serial Killer, INDEPENDENTLY Aligned - Killed N2
5. DeathBunni X - 'GF4', Jack Of All Trades, TOWN Aligned - Killed N2

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: Jan 23rd, 2011, 11:59PM Interguild Time

The day will end without a lynch if a majority is not reached by this time.

So since there were 2 deaths does that mean that Jellsprout probably killed DBX?

That would be my bet, yes.

And well...I was correct when I said that DBX was innocent (nevermind that Thomas was innocent...). Unfortunately, now there's only 8 of us left, and seeing as the game hasn't ended yet, there must be 3 Mafioso in this game, and we have yet to find anybody.

This also means that we don't know Woodstock's true alignment, although it is still most likely that she's a Town member. Jell could have killed her and the Mafia may have targeted someone with an ability that lets you resist one attack, but not two.

The person Jell had the biggest conflict with was Dando. Did she convince the rest of the Mafia members to kill Jellsprout, or is she innocent, and the Mafia killing of Jell was just a way to make us raise suspicions towards her?

This day actually ends on the 23rd, and not the "22th" as previously stated.

See, I have ideas, based on who is left and such, but I can't really say anything because I do not have stuff to back it up.  It's more of a suspicion then a logical idea.  I don't know, it's so much harder on the computer.

What do you have to lose if you tell us? All of this "I got this idea that I'm not sharing with you" stuff is very annoying.

Man, now that I look back on the past days, it kinda makes sense that Jell was independent.

Ok, the two most suspicious people to me at the moment are Guyguyxtreme and Bmwsu. Guyguy, because he really hasn't said anything other then what needs to be said. At the start of the 1st day, there were a few wild accusations from him, but everybody was kinda like that on Day 1. If you look thru Day 2, most of the time, he's just voting with the crowd, he hasn't done much to make his presence yet/give him an identity in this game. This could mean he's a mafia trying to lay low or a townie who's scared to be accused. I believe mafia-dom is more likely, for most paranoia of posting was talked out of players the past 2 days.

Bmwsu, seriously, saying the ******* idea. I am extremely suspicious to why you can't just post your thoughts and look like an idiot like everyone else. All you did in Day 2 was make us believe the hype that this crazy theory of yours is awesome, not much else you said. My best guess is you're a mafia who is banking on this theory so people will keep you around to hear it. My suspicions towards you are less then Guyguy, but still present.

And that weak theory I posted on the Day 2 board: I'm pretty sure CSD mentioned somewhere that mafia members have their own board to discuss stuff on, perhaps people that're online frequently, but not talking on this board are too busy chatting on the other board? Yeah, it's pretty lame, though I it'd be worth pointing out.

NINJA'D EDIT: Basically Isa's post is the tl;dr of my 2nd paragraph.

Isa, you need to defend yourself, and going after me again isn't how you're going to do that. We've lynched two Townies and you've led the charge against both of them. I have kept a neutral point of view, given them both the benefit of the doubt, and defended them for as long as it made sense to. "Oh, that could have just been an elaborate ruse to appear innocent!" Yeah, yeah, whatever. Find me as suspicious as you want, but how about we spend our time coming up with theories based on facts instead of random speculation? I'm very much willing to believe you're innocent, Isa, but there's no denying that the facts point more at you than anyone else at this point.

As for why the Mafia killed Jell... Well, Jell had the power to kill them. That's a pretty obvious possibility, if they were able to find out that he was a Serial Killer.

Also, knowing Jell, I think it's more likely that he killed Woodstock than the Mafia, which would mean that Woodstock actually could have been Mafia. As for why the Mafia themselves didn't kill anyone the first day:


We're pretty crippled by the fact that so few people post anything substantial. With Jell gone, I have a feeling this day is going to consist of nothing but me and Isa arguing unless we get more activity from everyone else.

This will probably end in my death, due to ISA being a far superior debater, but I am more than very suspicious against Isa. I look back at the accusations against Thomas, and I just think now what bullcrap they were. I mean, do you not understand the concept  of being cautious? Sure, he wasn't speaking out, but that to me is a dumb reason to get someone lynched.

I look back at my votes, and I look back at how easily I was swept across by the crowd. Who were the votes lead by? ISA. I feel that Isa is heading the mafia. Isa, as a likely mafia member, and the most persuasive person, will try to take out the weakest players. In this case it was Jorster and Thomas. Thomas was also an easy target due to his appearance around the Interguild, just as Dando is a difficult target due to her fantastic persuasive skills and innocent, law informing status. I know that Interguild status shouldn't affect the mafia game, but it really does give an edge to people like Isa and Dando. For example, a doubt never even crossed my mind after Dando's accusations. Now I look at them deeper, I still feel that she is still innocent, but unlike on first read I did at points have doubts.

Next point. I think that Isa killed Woodstock. Why? Firstly- Captain Obvious' hint was ''. The picture supposedly from an anonymous reporter showed that smiley enlarged. Now, everyone knows that Isa is a mature player and killing an inactive player was the sort of thing he would do. Next, the hint said die. ISA was the one who wanted death. He was the one who suggested we lynch someone on day one.

Now above me I have just realised Dando is saying the same thing, except I feel more resolutely about it. I will be more than willing to change this, but I feel nothing will happen unless I do this.

Vote: Isa

Well, we're certainly off to a bad start, aren't we? I really do wish to post my theories, but they have mostly been summed up by other people's theories.

The death cases are rather mysterious, though. Jell was "poofed" one too many times? DBX, mauled by bunnies? Perhaps they tried to kill each other? Jell is an independent serial killer, so maybe he tried to kill DBX by taming and using bunnies. DBX, being a "Jack of all Trades" might've poofed Jell in revenge before being killed herself by bunnies... but could it have been something else, a kill by a smart and mysterious member of the Mafia to look how our casualties look now?

*sigh* The storm is only growing...

Even though it'd be contradictory to agree w/ you, I can sorta see where you're going. I'm mad for myself defending Isa in last week's thread, because now he seems shiftier looking back onto his posts and since I defended him quite a few times, people may associate me with his potential evilness (EMPHASIS ON POTENTIAL). I'm glad to see that you finally posted your own thoughts, Guyguy, but that may just've been to combat my accusation upon you posting no thoughts...

I'll admit, Isa pretty much led the witchhunt upon Jorster in Day 1, but he was quite inactive, so if Isa is a townie, it could've been common sense. And in Day 2, he amplified Jell's theory on Thomas, perhaps Isa realized Jell was independent and could just use his ramblings to his gain. Either way, out of all the people I'm suspicious at the moment: Guyguy (not as much as before), Bmwsu (stated in previous post), Isa (stated in this post) and Dando (I'd hate to bring actual Interguild views into this, but people almost seem afraid to FoS Dando, even though there are times where you could say she seemed shifty. On the other hand, maybe she is a townie, and her outside-mafia-game personality is just reflected thru it)

Anyways Guyguy, expect to get bum-rushed with Isa's most likely 4 paragraph defense...

NINJA'D EDIT: Man... I gotta start writing up these responses faster, anyways my feelings towards Silver's theory is indifferent at the moment.

Firstly.

BWMSU, STOP BEING SUCH AN IDIOT. I am sorry, but I do not give a ****ing damn about your theory's that you won't post. So either post your suspicions, or shut up.

Secondly.

Yaya, you said something about a theory yesterday? (mafia day) I would be interested to read it...

Oh yeah, and I'm waiting for a severe bout of tl;dr when ISA posts his reply.

Don't worry, I am typing up a long post right now, but just for you:

tl;dr - I am innocent

That's it from my 1st post, I probably should've worded it a wee better to clarify that was the one I thought of on Day 2, my bad. Anyways, it's weakly supported/paranoid, so it probably won't be too game-changing.

NINJA'D EDIT: Damn, Isa got me this time and I barely typed a paragraph, lol.

Guyguy you were just saying you thought people were being too tough on thomas for not posting his theories. Now you are swearing about Bwmsu's one. I think this is unnecessary (especially the swearing).

Your previous theory is fine except for the fact you are then going all out for Isa which makes me think that you are mafia and Isa is too big a threat, which does lead to the problem of why didn't you kill Isa at night, unless he was protected leading to only one kill on the first night... possible.

FoS: Guyguy

Yeah, looking back at my previous-previous-previous post, I kinda regret using language, because it makes us look like we're hostile towards the person we're swearing at. Sorry, Bmwsu, I just needed an adjective. Harumbai, I know your post was directed @ Guyguy, but I feel kinda guilty (for once). My apologies, I'll keep that in mind for future posts.

Whoop-de-do!

Alright, I am the first to admit I'm in a tight spot at this point. I started the voting against Jorster, an innocent, and I feel that it is pretty safe to say that without my post where I presented possible evidence regarding Thomas being mafia, he wouldn't have been killed.
Nevertheless, what you must keep in mind was that Jorster was chosen simply because he was very inactive - it was either him or Woodstock, but Jellsprout (or the Mafia, but most probably Jell) killed off Woodstock the same night either way. I didn't have any real evidence towards Jorster, but I didn't expect us to catch a Mafia member the first day.
Regarding Thomas, on Day 1, he had 5 FoS'es directed towards him. I had a FoS pointed at him, but I was most probably not the main reason four other persons pointed a suspicious finger his way (I even stated that I FoS'ed him mainly to stir up activity). Day 2, we didn't have very much to go on, evidence-wise, and to be frank, there was only one person that acted somewhat suspicious, and that was Thomas. I was obviously not the only person who thought that, judging by the amount of FoS'es he got earlier, and after my post, a lot of people just joined in on my line of thinking. Also remember that basically all I did was to summarize his actions. If his actions weren't shady, I wouldn't point it out, and neither would anyone else.
Counter-argument - what would be your preferred way of acting in the situation? Would you have voted for someone else than Thomas? (Side note - you didn't vote at all last day)

You're probably putting too much thought into Captain Obvious hints, Guyguy, especially considering that there were none today...anyway, I am slightly baffled that you make this connection:
1. Isa is a mature player.
2. Killing Woodstock was a mature choice.
3. Therefore, Isa killed Woodstock.
...and therefore COMPLETELY ignoring that Jellsprout, also a very mature player, has been revealed to have an independent role and whose night action was killing someone.
Not killing anyone on Day 1 wouldn't really help us. That would just mean that we'd have another Day 1, but call it Day 2, and with a player less - simply not enough clues.

The case against Thomas wasn't based upon him being cautious, it was based on multiple aspects, but being cautious was not one of those. If I were to cast a FoS at...say, Harumbai, at this point and not explain why, wouldn't you want to know why? When asked about why he threw a seemingly random FoS at Silver, he just said that "It's not stated in the rules that you must back up your FoS". He later on backed that FoS in a poor way and when attacked, he never defended himself, he just attacked other players. It seemed like a very good guess that he was a Mafia member, but unfortunately, that turned out to be false. I still think that I did the right thing based on the material we had to work with.

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Dando, the Mafia kills people for a reason, just as Jell pointed out yesterday (Woodstock may have been killed because she was suspicious of Thomas) - while it turned out not to be true it was still a valid point. I do not believe that you killed Jellsprout (at this point I do not think we have much of anything to point at you), but to be frank, it wasn't your opinion on that matter that I was interested in (it's obvious that you will say you didn't do it), what I want to know is what the rest of the participants think of the nightly killings. If we make the assumption that the Mafia didn't know what role Jellsprout had except that he wasn't Mafia, then why would they kill him? The only ones he was openly suspicious towards were Thomas (who's dead), me (later on he withdrew his accusations towards me), and you. My personal theory is that Jellsprout was killed by the Mafia because they wanted to draw attention to you.

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I find Harumbai's theory more than plausible at this moment. I'm not completely ready to support it yet, because I am waiting for the second round of attacks towards me, but later on...

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I'm also getting slightly suspicious towards....Yaya, surprisingly. Why? He has defended me a lot, so why should I suddenly accuse him?

What I am suspicious of is just that - If he is a Mafia member, he knows that I am not. Because I haven't shown any suspicions towards anyone of his Mafia colleagues yet (except possibly Soccerboy?), it is safe for him to "befriend" me, up until the point that I suspect a Mafia member. The benefit of doing that is that while he achieves his goal of killing of Town members, he also avoids the suspicions, I get those instead. Therefore he can just wait for me to pop theories and then agree with them.

I am not ready to make any FoS'es at this point towards anyone, but unless Guyguy calms down, I think I'll have to point my finger at him.

I defended you because I thought you were a townie at the time. On Day 1, before YOU got the idea of killing Jorster, everyone was suspicious of you and Jell. You, yes one of your massive posts, convinced me you were innocent. I thought, "Gee, anyone who can write that much and present that much logic that made sense must be the real deal". Now thinking back, you're skill to defend yourself could just be your epic bamboozling of the masses. I am not the only one who agrees with you on things, Isa. Look on the Day 2 thread, not only did your post drag me under, but soon after, Silver, DBX and Soccerboy all agreed with your post. Why haven't you accused them of rubber-stamping to appear normal (I'll bring that up later)?

Along with me defending you earlier, you, Jellsprout and Dando have been the only ones to really have theories gain support, because even though we try, some Interguild-role-modelism will slip thru the into the Mafia Game. You guys usually started the conversations that led to lynching because your posts were coherent. I stated in one of the earlier days that if you got lynched, the board might derail because all we could do is throw hot air at each other. The thing applies (applied) to Dando and Jellsprout. While defending you, I thought we wouldn't have any foundation claims to accuse others off of. Even though he didn't have as much as an influence as you, once can already tell the tone of thread is different now that Jellsprout is gone.

Anyways, I believe you're suspicious of me, Dando and Guyguy only because we're the 1st to have any actual suspicions towards you in awhile, and you're trying to tie up all the loose ends. Of course, you'll probably claim that now that my "cover" has been blown, I'll just full out accuse you. Nope, I believe you're just trying to make a clean getaway, and I should probably defend me/other people who're less shifty then you. I don't wanna end up like Thomas, who got pwned because we was too ignorant to defend himself.

Of course, we could just be two extremely paranoid townies who're shooting eachother/ourselves in the feet, but at this rate, I don't think it's panning out like that.

Super post!


I glossed over this description at first because I assumed it was just flavor text, but here's a random thought: there is a role that allows someone to protect a different member (by "poofing" them at night so they're hidden) but if you protect them more than once, they die. It sounds kind of dumb, but it's something to consider. Reread that big list of potential roles; there are plenty of roles with odd abilities and consequences like that. That would mean that someone protected Jell the first day, he killed Woodstock, and then someone protected Jell again the second day, he died because of it (negating his attempt to kill someone), and the Mafia was responsible for Deathbunni's death. It could be a variaton on one of these:


Roles are pretty tricky things to anticipate in this game. I'm definitely not asking anyone to believe this theory (it's just speculation, and Thomas was a Bodyguard so I dunno if there'd be another kind of Protector), but just keep your mind open to the idea of special abilities and the role they may be playing.

Anyway, moving on.

Jell was actually my primary suspect since the first day (this was probably noticeable). However, I failed to consider the possibility that he could be something other than Mafia, so I was pretty surprised when I read this day's opening text. Isa's overconfidence in his theories gets on my nerves, but I'm not convinced that he's Mafia. Jorster was the most logical person to kill the first day, and Thomas was indeed the most logical person to kill the second day (hindsight is 20/20, but he did act pretty damn shifty).


Silly me. I thought the Mafia picked their targets out of a hat.

Yes, I know that the Mafia have their reasons, and I understand your theory that they killed Jell to incriminate me. However, it would be quite a stretch on the Mafia's part to assume Jell's death would lead to me being lynched. Plus, you're the only one to make that connection anyway.


This kind of reasoning is why the Town is in such a bad position right now. It doesn't matter if your thoughts have already been summed up. Post them anyway.

FoS: Soccerboy

I really hate lynching people for not posting enough, but it's equally risky to have people we know nothing about.

Also, we should keep the possibility open that the Mafia killed Deathbunni, because there's no telling what kind of things went on behind the scenes.

Is it just me, or do we seem slightly more hostile this week? Maybe it's because we're tired of lynching of lynching townies, but I find it kinda funny that we're already jumping on each other's necks within 1 day of the board getting posted. I just wanna see this board in 1-2 days and every response will be in caps locks, lol.

The reason I have not posted it is because I know I'm just going to be called an idiot, (Not that it has helped) and then people are going to get mad, because they are just stupid theories, and I won't be better off.

Dando, Yaya, and Silver.  Happy now?

I don't know why, but I am having a very hard time saying my thoughts in this game.  Is there suicide option?

Eh? I never said anything towards you.

I never said you said anything towards me in particular, Silver.

Then why'd you put me in your post...?

Meh, this isn't really the time, we should be discussing other things, like mafia stuff. But I don't have much to add - really, I've never been much of a thinker in this sort of situation/game/whatever... my theories are awfully horrendously bad, and... well. You know.

Grr, I'm so hopeless, but that's just me. Heh. *shrug*