Well, I don't have anything unincriminating to say right now to make you realise I'm innocent, but I'm not bothered.
How do you know Nebneb carried out the kill? He could of been killed by the Independant, which I think is likely actually and any one of the mafia could have killed Yaya. That is just my take.
Ok CSD wasn't sure, but he said that Nebneb would of been who he'd lynch today so I don't see what is wrong with not being completely sure he didn't kill him. To me my logic still makes sense.
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I don't know if we should look too deep into Isa's descriptions of the night actions. They are probably just meaningless flavor text. I see no reason to assume anything other than the Independent killing Nebnebben and the Protagonists killing Yaya
Also, with the Crates' Detective dead, the only threat to the Protagonists now appears to be the Serial Killer.
We shouldn't look too deeply into them, but I still think that the description does hold some meaning. If Isa was doing meaningless flavor, then had Armin would have found the gem and then discovered hannah's dead body. There would be no reason for Isa to have some unknown taking away the gem in the distance.
"On a lesser note, I saw a precious gem in the distance, glowing like a beacon, but it abruptly stopped after a while. I think I heard footsteps afterwards, but I am not sure."
This tells me that:
1. Armin(/the protagonist group) didn't have anything to do with yaya
2. Armin(/the protagonist group) has no clue who killed yaya ("I think I heard footsteps afterwards, but I am not sure.")
"Ok CSD wasn't sure, but he said that Nebneb would of been who he'd lynch today so I don't see what is wrong with not being completely sure he didn't kill him. To me my logic still makes sense."
That's a valid point but what you fail to realize is that if CSD was independent and was onto nebneb, he would kill someone else and then try to get nebneb lynched the next day. He managed to get bm lynched without even trying, so I'm sure after seeing that, he'd have little reason to think he couldn't get someone lynched when it's he's intending to and actually has evidence behind it.
Of course, it is possible that he didn't want to go through the trouble of getting him lynched, and just decided to take matters into his own hands. We shouldn't conclude that anyone is or is not the independent, or at least declare it to all of us.
Think about it like this, or if you're lazy and don't want to make sure that you agree with this, only read the summary below the spoiler:
Spoiler:
From a mafia standpoint:
The mafia is only one death away from being an independent with ties to the dead mafia, making that remaining member less likely to win than the independent. From a mafia perspective, they want to know who the independent is take him out, and if we won’t do it for them, they’ll have to figure it out themselves and use one of their night kills to take him out. They want to figure it out and will be working with the town to find out who it is, because discussing it during the day gives them 10 people’s input, as opposed to only 2 when they’re forced to discuss it on their secret mafia board.
From the independent’s standpoint:
He has our attention, and at this point doesn’t want to become one of our points of focus because although we don’t have a dead teammate of his to look at, he’s alone, and he, unlike the mafia, won’t have anyone to try to defend him if the town catches a mistake, like a mafia would. Unless he has to kill every night, like how jell could either kill or hide, but couldn’t hide two nights in a row, he’s probably not going to kill someone tonight because if he does, we’ll have to take care of him and he’s not going to last long when everyone is looking for him. If he decides to go after someone tonight:
1. The mafia are much more likely to win unless we lynch a mafia today or if he manages to kill one of theirs at night
2. His chances are significantly reduced as not only will the mafia will have an advantage over him (unless one dies before tomorrow), but the town will come out try to take him out as he’s proved himself to be a threat
If he stays quiet, we won’t go after him because the mafia will still be our main threat, and when we would refocus our attention, he’ll be more likely to win because he will have less competition, than if he tried to kill someone overnight.
If he’s stupid enough to kill someone tonight, he’ll at least kill someone who he thinks is mafia. If he goes for someone who he thinks is town, his judgment is extremely poor and we’ll probably be able to figure out who it is with ease
So, from the town standpoint:
We shouldn’t talk about who the independent might be out loud, because it helps the mafia, and even if we do we shouldn’t go after the independent until he makes it clear that we need to, because everybody who isn’t mafia can help us take down the mafia.
Long story short: Keep completely quiet about independents. If you suspect someone is an independent, keep it to yourself for now. So yeah, basically what I'm saying is that on this subject of independents, you should think about it independently(sorry I had to).
Also if you are the independent, your best chance at winning and surviving longer in general is to not kill someone tonight.
Why are people no longer suspicious of CSD? I thought it was suspicious how he argued against how Quirvy said nebnebben's mafia list is likely all town.
I'll be going away tomorrow and I won't be back until the 27th after 11:59 pm EST so I won't be able to vote today but I will read all missed posts when I return.
Sorry guys, my dad cleared my cookies on me and i forgot my pw and stuff. back lol. wait what? my character really limits me it's quite annoying. derp. what's going on here? really killing the mood. WHY AM I HERE?!?!?!
'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
I am first waiting for CSD to respond to my post before making any solid accusations. I have made it clear in my previous post that I find his accusations to be very odd.
Ok, now that I am back, I really don't know who to suspect. I think that Jell, Quirvy, Silver, and Thomas are innocent because Neb suspected them. Or maybe he snuck in a few of his comrades with them.
And I made such a fuss about 'I'm gonna be away' so I wouldn't get lynched for inactivity.
Ok, now that I am back, I really don't know who to suspect. I think that Jell, Quirvy, Silver, and Thomas are innocent because Neb suspected them. Or maybe he snuck in a few of his comrades with them.
I think all are innocent too because as Quirvy said CSD is new to the game and he was probably not planning on getting killed on the first night.
This will be my last post now until the next day. Bye!
But still, the mafia are tricky fellows. There could be a chance that he snuck in every mafioso with them...
maybe the remaining mafia are, but nebneb was not tricky.
nebneb was trying to throw us off track by making accusations at non-mafia(specifically me and Thomas). And he wasn't doing a very good job of it and was not giving up.
I don't think he was planning on getting caught any time soon, and as a result didn't think to place mafia in his list so that no one would focus on the real mafia.
The very last thing I think that he would do is put 2 mafia in his list.
I still consider the possibility that there's a mafia snuck into his list, but I'm focusing my attention to those not on the list and are not CSD. But that's only me.
I personally find myself interested in who DBX, Jazz, guyguy, Harumbai and soccerboy think is the most likely to be a member of the mafia and why.
just a reminder: This is the part where you don't vote for jellsprout yet, because we've got 5-6 days left to vote, and because there are people who are much more suspicious then jell anyways
I think Neb was killed by the serial killer, and Yaya was killed by the mafia. I don't know how that will help, though.
'Earlier this page, Quirvy, in response to jell disagreeing with him and claiming that we should assume the mafia killed Yaya,' said:
If Isa was doing meaningless flavor, then had Armin would have found the gem and then discovered hannah's dead body. There would be no reason for Isa to have some unknown taking away the gem in the distance.
"On a lesser note, I saw a precious gem in the distance, glowing like a beacon, but it abruptly stopped after a while. I think I heard footsteps afterwards, but I am not sure."
This tells me that:
1. Armin(/the protagonist group) didn't have anything to do with yaya
2. Armin(/the protagonist group) has no clue who killed yaya ("I think I heard footsteps afterwards, but I am not sure.")
If you get the time you might want to read up on some posts.
"CSD, I am not playing as logically as last time?"
There's a difference between not playing seriously and not playing logically. Quirvy seemed (and I say "seemed", because it's still very possible that he "knew") to have picked up that lynching Bmwsu was a wrong decision (and it was obvious to me as well, but, as I said, it was too late to stop) but it seemed like it was completely lost on you. When you had your chance to stop it, you instead ensured it would go though.
"It is also the end of the school year, and mentally I am starting to get drained, so my posts probably have less energy put into them than the previous time."
I don't buy these types of excuses and I feel that the mafia are more likely to attempt to use them. Maybe it's true that you're drained, but what I think it's doing is it's causing you to do a poorer job keeping up your disguise.
"Every time we lynched someone for proper reasons, they turned out to be Townies."
OK, so let's lynch people for improper reasons?
"so I'll just tag along and [vote]"
Shameless bandwagoning. You're mafia, right?
"I'd rather lynch inactive people this early in the game than active people I find suspicious, for the simple reason that lynching those active people makes the game less fun."
Lynching inactives when there are clearly more suspicious alternatives? Right.
"This is the part where you don't vote for jellsprout yet, because we've got 5-6 days left to vote"
The only problem that could arise from voting for Jell is if somebody goes and ends the day too early. If somebody does do that, it'll come off as mighty suspicious. Just, be aware, when you vote, of how many votes somebody has and how much time is left in the day. If you think Jellsprout is suspicious, then a little more pressure shouldn't hurt.
There were no suspicious alternatives. It was Day 1. With no actions done yet and nobody having been killed, any "suspicion" is as meaningless as throwing a dice. I would rather lynch a person who doesn't contribute to the game who might be a Townie than to lynch nobody at all and have the game end up dead later on. I have never made this a secret, not this game not the previous game. And I am not the only one to play like this either. Quirvy plays like this, Isa played like this the previous time. Are their actions also illogical? Are they also as suspicious as me?
Your accusations are as empty as they were before.
Vote: DeathBunni X
Your reasoning is even worse than CSD's. How exactly is it beneficial for the mafia to stall the game? It is best for them to rush the lynching before anyone has any time to think anything through. And how exactly am I stalling for time? I stated in that post you quoted that we should to lynch.
It would appear you and CSD are trying to get rid of me. What could this possibly mean?
That is interesting. Do you have any motivation for these predictions are are they just a gut feeling?
You're being a hypocrite here. Here you say that you're going with a gut feeling as well. There's no need to bite your tongue if you mean to be honest.
'jellsprout' said:
Especially at this point in the game there isn't really any certainty on who to lynch, so it would be best to lynch just a random guy for the Crates, while it would be best to lynch specific people for the Protagonists.
We should also remember that there probably are Neutrals who want to get rid of us. There is more than just the Protagonists to worry about?
Although he was the independent last game, he knows how much of a force they are. Although they are not working together (coining independent), he knows they are a force. But how much of the force he has not predicted. If he has experience, shouldn't he be telling us all he knows about being the indy to further town's domination.
'jellsprout' said:
It is too early to know who is suspicious and who isn't. We haven't actually had the time to properly judge anyone. And look how it went last time. Every time we lynched someone for proper reasons, they turned out to be Townies. At this point in the game it is easy for the Mafia to act normal. Furthermore, you need to lynch someone, or else the Mafia will get the initiative.
The Mafia don't know the roles, but they know the people. They know who could be threats and who couldn't. It should also be noted that putting the suspicion on other people is the best way to make yourself safe.
I never find the first day to be very interesting, and with 4 votes I don't think Bmwsu's odds to survive are too high to begin with, so I'll just tag along and
Vote: Bmwsu
Although he is slightly panicky, which everyone expects of everyone, he bites his tounge again and joins the headhunt. Why be a hypocrite?
And, well at least to me, it seems as if he was thinking in a mafia mind. And he has made many suspicions known, so he defends himself as "safe".
'jellsprout' said:
Quirvy, you have convinced me.
Unvote: Bmwsu
Vote: Quirvy
Unvote: Quirvy
Vote: Bmwsu
Never mind that. Bmwsu has already 8 votes by my counting, so it wouldn't matter anyway, and I wouldn't want it to happen that other people will also start unvoting Bmwsu and voting Quirvy. I am suspicious of Quirvy, mostly because he is smarter than most people in this game, partly because of his previous post, but to be honest I'd rather remove Bmw than Quirvy. Quirvy is simpy more interesting to have around. Like how inactivity struck after Dando, Isa and I got killed previous game.
What was the point of that? To prove he had a point in the headhunt? And if he is mafia, he knows Bmw isn't mafia, and since he has no point to vote anymore, it's just proof against him. And what is with switching from voting to Quirvy to voting for me?