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jebby
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Friday, April 8 2011, 7:05 pm EST
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Minecraft is a game that produces a mountain of user-created content and I personally find it fascinating how communities can turn a wasteland into a complex virtual civilisation. So I suggest, if there is enough interest, that the interguild gets its own server; it seems wrong that this site claims to be about user-created content without having a finger in the Minecraft pie.

It doesn't have to be an expansive server, but it'd be great if we could communicate in real-time while working on a small creative project together. I'd be willing to contribute donations to a server if one was rented out on the condition that I was given admin powers. It would be nice to spread our wings a little further; I know we've generally stuck to free games in the past. If we want this site to ever become sizable, I think we need to dabble a little in the more mainstream games. Thoughts?
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I was just think about bringing this up a couple days ago... and I think it is a great idea.  I mean, Minecraft is a user-generated-content sort of game.  It's pretty cheap, too.  This place, for example, allows 4 people on at a time, for $7.20 a month. (But I am sure we might want to have a bit more than that, so it'd be $8.70 a month for 8 people.)  This converts into about $153.60 a year.  And now, there is a discount running, so we'd get ~$38 off.

Now, a couple of thing that I would think that we should do.  First, I think we should, naturally, have a town or city, just as a basic project first, just so we can all have our own house, and, personally, I like the whole "Having a house always,and in a convenient place" idea.  Then, of course, we'd go and do our own things, but we really do need some nice and fun things, that should be community projects soon after it gets started, assuming it does. (An arena, community tree-farm, etc.)

Also, I know I'm not some amazing person of high stature in the Interguild, but I would like a say in plug-ins and such that we would do, and help with them, etc, since I would love to help with stuff like that, and I enjoy doing that kind of stuff.  Now, I don't know who all would be mods, since I don't think all the mods on here play it.  People who donate could have special powers, too.  And, if we wanted, we could have a whitelist.

But, yeah.  Me being a "hardcore" MC player, love this idea.  That's my thoughts.


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Friday, April 8 2011, 7:30 pm EST
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I've been playing Minecraft for two days now, but I've always followed the game's development through Youtube videos. I don't understand all the concepts within the game just yet, but I feel that if we were to do this, we should probably add some anti-griefing measures. I don't know if that would come in the form of plug-ins or mods or something, but someone like you who knows what they're talking about would be the best to advise on something like that.

I think this would be a great thing for the Interguild to do. It would bring us together a bit more as a community more than anything.
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Friday, April 8 2011, 7:37 pm EST

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Exactly!  If we all have something that we can contribute to as a whole, and actually talk with other people in real time, would really help the Interguild, and probably help bring in other people.

Now, as for the griefing, that's what a whitelsit is good for.  It means that you can't get into the server, unless you have your username on the whitelist.  This means we could only let people from the Interguild on, and we could tell them that to apply for the whitelist, they would have to come to the Interguild, which would also be a place for in-depth rules and commands, and organizing projects, and other stuff of importance.

There are also stuff like backups, which we can use for anti-griefing.  There are other things that you can get for a server, such as ones that log every block placement and destruction, and provide the ability to go back to any specific period.


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Friday, April 8 2011, 8:04 pm EST
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I'm not playing Minecraft as of now due to the horrible computer I am using, but my brother does and he runs a server on there.

I'd be all for donating a few bucks for a Minecraft server, even if I'm not playing though.
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Friday, April 8 2011, 8:07 pm EST

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One other thing I forgot to bring up is that we might have a problem finding the best city for the server.  It will have to be overseas for some people...


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Friday, April 8 2011, 8:28 pm EST
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I used an American server today; it was laggy as hell, but that was because there were loads of people on it. Nevertheless, it was just about playable. It makes sense for it to be in the US as most of our members are based in North America.
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I really want to build a city in the messed-up areas of the map. You know, where the map starts to become all layered and messed up?

If we do make cities, I think we should find a suitable area near water. We could always add a minecart to transport people from the city to the spawn.
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Friday, April 8 2011, 8:54 pm EST

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Usually, the main city is near the spawn.

One nice thing that I found in server, though, is a small town/city place that was 1000 block away from the spawn, and was a place for the people to hang out with little worry from griefers, since people who are new don't know about it.

And one other thing: I feel like we should look into the seed a lot.  We will need a nice flat plains, as well as mountains, so that is one thing that could be done.


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Friday, April 8 2011, 9:20 pm EST
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I'm writing a quick interested-list.

Interested -
Jebby
Bmwsu
Isa
Jazz (sorry, that name is just so much cooler than rosabellis)
Guyguy
Nebnebben

Donators -
Jebby
Isa
Guyguy
Bmwsu

I understand if the younger members can't contribute financially, but Bmwsu, you have a job IIRC and probably have a higher wage per month than me, lol. If you could donate a small sum to this, it'd be great. We could also try to get Livio to fund this...
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 12:18 am EST

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To be honest, I'd give a lot of money towards it.  I only see two problems.  One is that I don't know if my parents would be happy with me doing that, let me do that, or even like the fact that I go on here.  And, as of now, I need a new computer.  Like, if I want to do any thing more with where I want to head with my life, I am going to have to save up for a new computer.

If I can find a way, I will definitely donate towards this.


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Saturday, April 9 2011, 1:42 am EST
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Add me to the interested list; I've been thinking of starting a server but I've no idea how but I heard some people got servers for free. Also, if there is a server, what shall we do about grievers because they probably won't be there but its best to have a system just in case. Different methods are used depending on the people. Some servers merely ban the people. Some blow the offending persons house up with dynamite. There was one case where they built a giant glass ball around the floating griefers house then filled it with lava. This however when wrong as all the lava came out of the bubble and encased half of the town under lava with people either dead or trapped.


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Saturday, April 9 2011, 2:41 am EST

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I'd actually want 8 people on the server, personally. I'm interested, and I'd donate £1 a month out of pocket money, which doe's sound like much, but considering the monthly cost it is a fairly major bit of it. To protect against greifers we'd have a password, posted on here publicly (so few people visit the site that we might as well) to enter.

EDIT:Looking at the UK site, that is a 6th of the cost. So yeah. For the server location, try somewhere on the east side of America, so European players get slightly less lag.

EDIT 2: All players should have all powers except from banning and the like, for example building rights and spawnable iteams.
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 6:17 am EST
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'guyguyxtreme' said:
EDIT 2: All players should have all powers except from banning and the like, for example building rights and spawnable iteams.


Strong disagreement. While I may not be the most active Minecraft player I know thanks to my brother that these powers include being able to give yourself any amount of any item, the ability to teleport huge distances, and so on. I think that only a select few, or even nobody at all, should have those powers, due to the risk of abuse.

Anyway, very glad to hear of your donations, Guyguy and Bmwsu! I do have a question: How would you get the money to be accessible online? I don't think you have a PayPal account, for example.

Griefers doesn't sound like a problem to me - just add a whitelist or something like that, or just don't give out the IP to anyone. We could send the IP to the ones interested through PM's.
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 7:49 am EST
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It's okay, bmwsu, no-one should be forced to donate if it's not feasible for them to do so. I'd reckon I could donate at least £5 a month, which is roughly $8.17. Again, I don't know what proportion of the entire monthly fee this will end up being, but it should certainly help. I don't know how easy it is for young people to use PayPal, but here's a link that might be of use: https://student.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/marketingweb?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=marketing_us/student_accounts

I would personally want spawning powers, even if I'm only allowed them on the condition that I donate each month. There are many ways of playing Minecraft, but the one that attracts me the most is the ability to freely create my own little world. I understand that it feels more rewarding when you mine everything the hard way, but I just want to build my own paradise without that hassle. Plus, I currently don't have loads of time to spend on gaming. If I were to do this, I'd have my own project far away from anything the community would be doing to prevent any unsightly collisions. Other than that, it'd be great for me to work with the community on a separate manual-mining project (without using any spawn abilities). If we could mine our own city without using spawn powers, that would be amazing!
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 8:09 am EST
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https://bros.brohoster.com/cart.php?gid=7

My brother uses this. He has the cheapest server available, which is for 6 players and costs 3.95$ per month. If we upgrade to 12 players per month (and get slightly better RAM) it'll cost us 7.95$. The server is located in the US (which is very odd considering how he and his buddies all live here in Sweden) but even I can play without delay as long as I play with low graphic settings. I tested a demo server on the site you linked to, Bmwsu, and while I could play there, I experienced some very annoying delay when playing on the US east coast server. Therefore I propose that we use a Brohoster server.

If there is a majority for having spawning/creating powers, then so be it. Having two different areas - one where you may use moderator commands, and one without - would probably be the better option in that case. A minecart from one area to the other would be preferable. Do mind that the areas will be HUGE, so the travelling time may add up to, I don't know, but probably at least three minutes. A clear line would also be needed to make sure that nobody enters the other area without knowing.
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 10:00 am EST
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12-man Brohoster servers seem like a good option. Would anyone like to volunteer as server manager? I wouldn't mind ordering the thing, but I don't know much about server management and I would need someone to point out how to set up a PayPal donations box. If I were to order one, could I give someone else with the right knowledge the ability to manage the server?  
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 10:15 am EST
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I could do it as well, but something's telling me that Bmwsu would be the man for the job. I think that whenever you've placed an order, you can promote others to moderators/administrators with the same powers as yourself.
I can manage the payments as well, and I already got a PayPal account up and running since previously.
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 2:40 pm EST

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'nebnebben' said:
Also, if there is a server, what shall we do about grievers because they probably won't be there but its best to have a system just in case. Different methods are used depending on the people. Some servers merely ban the people. Some blow the offending persons house up with dynamite. There was one case where they built a giant glass ball around the floating griefers house then filled it with lava. This however when wrong as all the lava came out of the bubble and encased half of the town under lava with people either dead or trapped.


Those are all ways, and I am personally a fan of the ban method.  And, with what I said earlier, we can get block-by-block monitoring and logs, so we can easier detect fishy stuff going on.


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12-man Brohoster servers seem like a good option.


That's what I'm thinking, too.  It's cheap enough, enough players, and I don't think we'll grow larger than that for awhile.


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https://bros.brohoster.com/cart.php?gid=7
If there is a majority for having spawning/creating powers, then so be it. Having two different areas - one where you may use moderator commands, and one without - would probably be the better option in that case. A minecart from one area to the other would be preferable. Do mind that the areas will be HUGE, so the travelling time may add up to, I don't know, but probably at least three minutes. A clear line would also be needed to make sure that nobody enters the other area without knowing.


There are some plug-ins that can allow you to have multiple worlds, and the only way to get to a separate world is through warping, which only people of a higher rank could do.

As for minecarts, that would be preferable.  One server I went onto had a minecart track as a tour of the main part of the server.


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I would personally want spawning powers, even if I'm only allowed them on the condition that I donate each month. There are many ways of playing Minecraft, but the one that attracts me the most is the ability to freely create my own little world. I understand that it feels more rewarding when you mine everything the hard way, but I just want to build my own paradise without that hassle. Plus, I currently don't have loads of time to spend on gaming. If I were to do this, I'd have my own project far away from anything the community would be doing to prevent any unsightly collisions. Other than that, it'd be great for me to work with the community on a separate manual-mining project (without using any spawn abilities). If we could mine our own city without using spawn powers, that would be amazing!


Here's what I have seen in most servers; 4 ranks:

1. Admin: For the server owner, who gets every power, and one or two select people, who get almost everything..  These guys get to access the server, and restart it, promote people, ban, kick, items spawning, etc.
2. Mod: These guys more keep the peace, and can ban, kick, and sometimes promote.
3. Builder/Regular/Respected: These guys get simple commands, such as teleport, and item spawning.
4. Newbie: These guys don't get anything special, except for /sethome and /home.

Now, of course, everybody above Builder can spawn items.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head for now.  We can get more ranks.  There was one server with Super-Admin, Admin, Mod, Semi-Admin, Respected, and whatever they called new people.  That's 6 total.  I guess what we want is up for us all to decide.
EDIT: And a new rank they had done was Adv. Architect, which allowed them world edit powers. (Copy, cut paste, replace, etc.)

I could start a poll on some of this stuff, if you guys want.


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Saturday, April 9 2011, 4:40 pm EST

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My example of what rank each person is

Admin- Bmwsu
Mods- Jebby, Isa
Builders- Nebnebben, Guyguyxtreme, Jazz

Donators get gold names. Anyway, to donate I'll just get pay my dad and get him to do the actual credit card stuffs.
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And then, of course, The people that have just joined.

Now, this also brings up the topic of when to promote.  I am a fan of letting anyone build, not having to have rights, and to become a builder, they have to build something worthwhile, stay for a while, and talk, and in general, show us that they can handle something like commands and powers responsibly. (This is just for new members.)

And, guys, please don't take everything I say for granted.  Any ideas you have on the stuff like this would be great.  I mean, we can have fun ranks, such as... a Stone Mason.  He gets unlimited cobblestone and stone.  Bring up ideas!  Create!


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I know, I am a terrible person. I double posted.

But, I just wanted to say that this is a good simple guide with a couple nice things to know.


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Despite ISA not liking it, I think regular Budera can speak anything except Lava and TNT. To make a map, try 'ZOMG' the. Do some editing in MCEdit and it will do for a server map. Also, I think we need a minecraft forum on the interguild.
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Saturday, April 9 2011, 6:35 pm EST
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I have no idea where my previous post went.

Either way, I spoke to Brohoster, and I can give Bmwsu almost all of my powers as an admin (the support guy wasn't sure if I could share all of my powers or just most of them), and all powers in-game.
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Sunday, April 10 2011, 2:03 am EST
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I would like to make a cobblestone castle with defences. I've seen some really good ones on youtube, like destroying a block and lava comes pouring out in front of the main gates or cannons that fire dynamite and stuff like that.


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