I think you should be a little more experienced at playing before hosting.

I don't think you could have saved yourself because Harumbai's role stated that he could kill no matter what action was taken to protect a player and Harumbai tried to kill you. I stopped the kill because I blocked his role before it even made it to you.

wow that's some really wierd setup O_o

anyway - on paper, of course it would be protown to let them lynch me. but seriously, there's a limit to how much I want to win a game, lol. It doesn't help me if I win without enjoying it, and getting myself lynched day 1 because of a mod fault wasn't my cup of tea. so I tried to handle it the other way. as a somewhat experienced player I should also be a valuable member to town anyway, I figured.
Judging by the fact that I was correct in that scum might want to kill me, and by the fact that I did suspect *all* of the mafias, I really can't see why my play was bad. and furthermore - as I said - coming day 2, the town was in best position it could be, so what I did never harmed the town. it would only harm the town if they decide to lynch me for..harming the town...that would only come if they lynch me..so this circle goes nowhere.

also, about the fact that I didn't know what my action does: of course I did! well uh..not quite...but at least, some knowledge. It was obvious that Sarah Palin ads were a bad thing - and this is why I cast it on Jell - I wanted him dead at the time. karma system was roleblock - I figured that too - but I thought that I would roleblock, not *give* roleblockin ability

I didn't lie for you.  

I'm going to address shos in an entirely separate post, as he deserves his own post:

From lying at the very start about your role and calling me naive for having thoughts that you disagree with, to doing stuff like voting for a hated jellsprout and claiming that a typo I made was a clear scumslip, you were by far my least favorite player here. Apparently you weren't wrong to suspect that something was off with Thomas' post, but your analysis of it was a complete swing and a miss. Your overall problem seems to be that you over-analyze things, and then you try to do sneaky stuff like lying about your role for whatever reason (did you think that we wouldn't ever figure out that you were lying, or did you really think it was worth it to lie to everyone because you thought that it would make you less likely to be NKed?), and voting for jellsprout because he only needs 3 votes and you think he's a shady guy. I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before, but you act way too cocky, as if you know everything, and that nothing will ever backfire on you. "I really need to lie about my role, otherwise I could be killed tonight, and I'm more important than the other people who could be killed tonight! No way, there's going to be any backlash for lying about my role, they'll understand why I did it! I think that jellsprout is suspicious, but I'm in the minority, but since he only needs 3 votes to be lynched I'll try my luck anyways, because I know better than the town majority! Quirvy said something grammatically incorrect, this is clearly a scumslip! Thomas said something weird, he's obviously trying to communicate with fellow mafia! Guys, listen to me! I know what I'm talking about!"

I mean, I don't want to be too harsh about the way that you played, but you just played a really bad game, and seemed to think you were doing a great job.

Furthermore: "and getting myself lynched day 1 because of a mod fault wasn't my cup of tea." I'm tired of you blaming Isa for all of that. Yeah, he made a mistake, but you yourself tried to vote when you knew very well that you couldn't vote. If Isa didn't count votes against you, you don't think that anyone would ever catch on to the fact that the votes against you weren't counting, and that neither were your votes?

"and by the fact that I did suspect *all* of the mafias," I suppose you're just going to forget that the two of the people you most wanted to lynch at the end of day 2 were Thomas and Jellsprout? After Day 2 ended, Yaya took cruise control. I fail to see how you "suspected all of that mafias"

Moreover...list of Shos suspects, in no particular order:

Yuggy
Shavey Dave
Jorster
Thomas
Quirvy
Jellsprout
Harumbai
Soccerboy13542
Jazz
Yaya

You may have suspected all of the scum, but you also suspected every single member of town except Snipereborn who died N1.

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Town was not in a good position because of your play but DESPITE your play. You drew attention away from scumhunting and towards yourself. Had the setup contained a vigilante, you'd be dead N1.

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The best thing you could have done at D1 was to claim your role, simply. Roles that are possessed by town and also negative utility should be claimed: Miller (returns Guilty on Cop investigations) is the prime example. Being Hated is another (which Jellsprout did). Being a temporary stump is another. Feel free to explain to me why you thought that telling the truth would be worse than lying three times in a row about your role - WHICH WAS NOT A MOD FAULT.

Ninja'd by Quirvy, but yeah.

The swing and miss is strong in the post above.

Not sure if you refer to me or shos =p

What is this supposed to mean?

The mod fault he's referring to is you forgetting to not count his votes early on and then announcing that the votes shouldn't have counted.

But as I said before, it's not like jellsprout or shavey wouldn't have noticed that their votes against shos didn't count, and that shos' votes weren't going through either. They would ask "Why are my votes not being counted?" which is just about where we were after Isa revealed his mistake and corrected the vote counts.

To get this "mod error" done with once and for all:

The Mod Error was that I had started counting votes on shos and votes that he had cast, when those shouldn't count in the vote count. I realized my error by page 4 and had to revise two vote counts.
This probably displeased shos, because he had just exited a game in which there was a publicly announced tree stump that couldn't vote or be voted, where the mod counted the votes cast for and against said player. However, I couldn't do the same, as shos role wasn't intended to be publicly announced by me in the way it turned out to be (I always intended not to post votes against him).

I apologized to Shos in a PM when I realized this, and said that I accepted any responsibility for the trouble he might get in due to this. Keep in mind you, that was before he claimed to be a permanent tree stump. I do not accept responsibility for shos lying about his role three times. I thought that he'd do what any rational being would do - since he was outed as a stump (two pages later than he should have been, so not much), he'd claim his stump ability, but also explain that it was only temporary. Instead, he claimed permanent and I got a PM where he sent this:

Now, it didn't go this far, and I'm not sure if he was serious or not.

And after that, shos spoke the whole game about how he was forced to lie a few times due to mod error.

Lets see where to begin.... I guess people who got killed first.

Jazz, you, again played very uninspired. You let yourself get killed and showed no effort to help your fellow mafia. As I said, you seem to have your own agenda. You apparently refused to talk to your fellow mafia until you near the end of day 1. If you had actually put forth an effort in this game, who knows where we'd be right now. If you're not going to have the time to play mafia (you always claim that you're busy), and you're not willing to put forth any effort in making yourself look innocent (your actions prior to your lynching), then it's as simple as don't involve yourself in these games.

Sniper, it was sad to see you getting killed as early as you did, because you seemed like a really good player who was going to act as one of the town's leaders. You did a good job while you were alive, but unfortunately you weren't alive for very long.

Harumbai, you played pretty well; I'd imagine it would be pretty hard playing as mafia. You definitely were done in by Yaya's N1 investigation. I'm a bit curious as to what would have happened had Thomas not blocked all night actions. My guess is that we would still lynch you; You were high on the list of suspicious people, and I'm sure that someone would have noticed that Yaya pretty much wanted to lynch you all of Day 2.

Thomas, as I've already said, you were much improved in this game. You never publicly let rage get the best of you (although apparently you privately raged to Isa when jorster forgot to do his night action). I'm still not a big fan of your overconfident manner, like when you told soccerboy to hammer his partner in crime (and then going on to thank shos for coming clean as scum a few posts later), and when you asked yaya if he was scum because he didn't want to do a list of his reads. But overall, you managed to not create any distractions with your play, and your actual play and logic was really good.

Soccerboy, I don't have many thoughts on you, since you weren't around for the majority of the game. From a strategic standpoint, you should have NKed Yaya instead of Thomas, but kudos for realizing that you probably weren't going to win, and choosing to kill Thomas instead, for his "Soccerboy, hammer your partner" line. I thought that there were really 3 people that could've been lynched on day 4, being you, jorster and shos, but I thought that you were probably going to be one lynched. I was hoping that we would for whatever reason decide to lynch shos, because by that point he deserved being mislynched, but Yaya had to ruin it all an reveal you as the final scum...

Shavey Dave and Yuggy - Yuggy, you were gone most of the time (as in, day 2, since there were only really 2 days with heavy discussion), and Shavey, you didn't really make your presence felt, apart from when you made the mistake of RCing to Yaya. Just something that I thought was interesting and feel was worth mentioning: at the end of Day 2, at some point it dawned upon me that you two were the two people in danger of being lynched, but neither of you were willing to vote for the other. This led me to suspect that if either of you had the chance, it would probably be revealed that Yuggy was Shavey's neighbor.

Yaya - not much to say, other than your actions pretty much decided this game. Even if you died N2, I suspect that someone would pick up on how you wanted to kill Harumbai Day 2

Jellsprout, as expected you played brilliantly. I chose to send you the first PM, because I figured that of everyone, you were most likely to stay alive to the end of the game. I was initially impressed with you read on me being a survivor, because that's pretty close to what my role was, as a neutral independent. But now I find out that you investigated me N1, and I'm less impressed. Regardless, good game.

Fun fact: I delayed posting the Adventures of Gregory blog for a couple of days, because I used the term OBVSCUM in my PM to jell, which I also used in the Gregory blog at one point where I talk about how Thomas thinks that someone is clearly obvscum. I doubt he would have noticed anything, but at the same time, I didn't want to risk him noticing the similarity and sending me a PM saying "hai quirv" or something, instead of someone else (Harumbai), so I held the blog back for a few days, just in case. I think I was going to wait until Day 2 began, but I got impatient and released it during the night.

rocket guy, you can't decide to play in mafia, and then not show up for a week. How can you ask to be a host of a mafia game, when you haven't even shown yourself capable to be active enough to participate in one?

Jorster, you didn't play that well, but it didn't surprise me since you seemed to be relatively new to the game. The one thing I noticed about you was that you didn't really seem to create independent thoughts, and instead would just bandwagon on other people, like when shos voted for jellsprout and you followed him. Only after you and shos were criticized for doing so did you regret voting for him. I guess perhaps the arguments of others were more compelling than the ones you were thinking up, but still  I feel that you would have been better off thinking a bit more independently.


The one thing I personally regret was taking as long to vote Day 2 as I did. Everyone was pressuring me to vote (or at least pointing out that it was unusual that I hadn't voted yet), and I was caught up arguing about how it was just my playing style (it is, even if it might not be the most pro-town thing in the world). I think it was a combination of me being distracted by the whole argument about my voting, and me not being willing to vote in the middle of such an argument because that would be giving in. But at some point, I realized "holy crap, we're getting really close to that deadline", and I had to look over posts and make a decision. If I didn't make that mistake, we might have been able to lynch someone on day 2, but instead I took to long to get involved, and my vote ended up starting a bandwagon that got all the way to L-1 and a roleclaim that ended up causing a no lynch.

I did not think you will never figure out I was lying, but I thought it'll hold at least some time till I cast my vote. and then it will confuse mafia. what in fact happened was that I did not expect to collect fire like that as a policy lynch, which was my mistake. then it rolled like a snowball hehe. I did, however, think it would prevent me from being NKed. the fact people actually supported wasting a vig on me made me freak out lol.

about that nitpicking - well, at the rate the game was going on, it was really the only thing left to do. about jell - lynching a scumread of yours is always better than nolynching.

about blaming isa - I'm not blaming him for all the mess at all, let it be noted, lol. but I really had to fight for myself there after I was announced stump you know. HOW I did that is completely my own problem, but I'm sure you can see my point here. in my POV, it should either just not be counted from the start, which hasn't happened, or - and this is the way it should have been dealt with - it should have been counted, but not for the lynch. for example, suppose it's X to lynch, and there are X votes including shos, and day just goes on without a word. town would figure out themselves. the same if people vote me - and a lynch is reached - but day goes on with no lynch. or something like that. the way it was done was drawing waaaay too much attention to me and I had to deal with it; Isa even apologized for it in PMs with me, but I was naive there when I thought I can actually play along and confuse mafia that way as I said above. people *would* have understood that if such a thing would happen. if they don't, then I would just say it somehow. and yes, I would lie again.

either way, this is not how it happened, so there's no point in discussing that. what would you have done if the mod made such a mistake for you.? full claim? get yourself outside the game 1 day after it started? just because it was maybe good for town.?

about the mafias - Jazz is obvious, harumbai was my top suspect after jell(the thomas thing was of course was my bad, but hey, I told yall there was something wrong there lol). Soccer was immidiately after harumbai if I recall correctly. but again, I really don't claim to be MVP so nothing to see here. actually it might have been shavey XD
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@Isa:
of the townies, I only pushed against jell and thomas~
and it wasn't me who took attention to me, that was you; don't tell me I'm blaming it on you without basis. once that post of yours was out, I was 80% of the game's conversation, and that started with you. I'll ask you too - how would you have played? taking yourself out of the game I suppose? and would you enjoy doing that after 50 posts including confirmations.?

I *have* claimed there, you know. the first lie was not a lie - it was just a half of the claim. I claimed that I cannot vote or be voted - and just didn't mention the temporary part. after that, IIRC, I even said that too(with a 'may or may not', lol).

about why telling the truth is not better - well I did not say that. I was wrong in thinking I could pretend stump as I've already said. about the 'claiming is best' - yet again, if I were mafia and knew that about me, I'd shoot me N1; because delay is usually given to strong roles, and becuase I'm a more experienced player. consider it like shooting the SE/IC in newbie game.

as I mentioned, there are plenty of ways to deal with such a thing, and the public announcement was the part I was talking about. Isa could very well have just edited the votecounts silently, if he chose to. even if town figures it out, it's ok, but having it modconfirmed is just bad for me in any point of view.

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Isa described perfectly the mod error. that last post pretty much sums it up, lol. I never said I was *forced* to lie, tho. anyway, isa made a mistake there, and then I made a mistake(or some lol), and then together it snowballed forever. oh dear thank you yaya, lol.

this game ended way too short

oh man ninja'd by Q. tomorrow..

I OF COURSE would have told the truth and only the truth about my role, just like you tell the truth about being a Miller, despite the fact that it probably cuts your life expectancy rate in half. Mafia is about winning and helping town.

Saying that you are a Stump is like saying that you are a permanent Stump. If someone says that they're the Cop, you believe that they're always a Cop until they say that they are not, and you only reinforced that by saying that you "may or may not be useful on day 3" - that obviously takes its basis in the obvious and natural belief that you're a permanent stump.

You thinking that scum would be confused but town would just magically understand and not lynch you is...beyond me.

Besides shos - you're a worse player than Thomas, Jellsprout, Quirvy, Yaya, Snipereborn and Harumbai if you ask me. For these very reasons.

I'd be up for hosting game #6 actually... I'll give it a short while but if enough people are interested I would like to do it.

There's a lot of people interested =p

I actually do recall, a long time ago, actually, saying that I wanted to host a Mafia game, before you guys...

Shos, when half or more of the town players in the game are telling you that your plan interfered with theirs the most, perhaps you should accept that they aren't all lying about it. The mafia would have had to have been extremely stupid not to kill an experienced player. I think I just happened to upset Harumbai because I asked if he was a squid monster, and when he said yes, I pyscho-babled the crap out of him.

The one day I got to play was fun though.  

Actually I came up with an idea over vacation haha...

I would like the reserve the month of March and April for mine

If I was in your position, like everyone else, I would simply say that I'm a stump for day 1, and that I won't be in the future. Is there any indication that something bad would happen to me for doing so?



hai guys, can I host the next mafia game, too? We can have me, rocketguy, bmwsu, soccerboy and yuggy all host it at the same time, and it'll be super awesome!

I said it in the sign up thread, and I think before that too...  

Bmwsu said it way back at the end of the second game or so, before you had even joined. =p

I remember you saying that, but I think it was right after I mentioned that I wanted to host a game.

Also, which came first, the chicken or the egg?

I was in the second game... As a replacement anyways...

Yes, but you didn't say you want to host a game at the end of the second game, did you?

I looked at the endgame and couldn't see you asking...

I think I asked end of three...

I don't really mind if you host one first, assuming you want to.