Hold up. The mafia killed Shos. If he was really a threat to them, it's possible he was a cop or something. Why would they kill him if he had a useless role like mine?

Also, btw, I should say that the "Game Developer" is a town-aligned role.
If you don't believe me, check the list of roles Dando posted (wherever that is)

For one, because they didn't know who had what roles.

For two, I don't think the list was posted. That would sort of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it?

Gonna break this down for you.
So far, so good.
Not guaranteed, but plausible and not a stretch. I'm still with you.
Here is when you lose me. Shos was killed N1, and there was no pre-game announced. Nobody got to make any investigations of any kind during a supposed N0. Nobody except Shos knew if he was a threat or not.
Again, we don't know why they killed him, we do not know his role, and if you are fakeclaiming, you don't have much of an option, do you?

PEdit: Stupid ninja.

Oh jeez. I thought mafia could detect people in the day. I'm so stupid.

I'm still thinking that the mafia killed Shos because he was a threat to them, though...

Then how was he a threat to them? Do you think he came close to leading a lynch against one of them D1 or that he has correctly guessed part of the Mafia?

Not really, no. I just ask those questions for reaction. It's too early to figure out scum teams anyway. I don't try that until I see obvscum or scum has been lynched.

I saw no reason to unvote. If we unvote anybody who is at L-1 then you are never gonna lynch and never have a chance to lynch scum. The deadline is in a few days so because of Silver claim (which I kind of believe), we can use the lynch on someone else and actually have time to decide who to lynch. I unvoted after the claim because I do kind of believe it for now. I believe it enough to let Silver by for now and use my vote on someone else.

Okay but there's gotta be some weaker PR's in this setup than a really powerful PR like a cop or a doctor. I want to make sure that Silver is not a powerful PR. I believe the claim anyway though. Also, yesterday Jazz claimed to be a troll? That would be a weaker PR than a jack of all trades. Because it was weak (and the claim looked like BS anyway), he was lynched.

I dunno. If Harumbai explained why then I may understand but I think Silver would have been lynched if it wasn't for the claim. The claim made sure we didn't lose a powerful PR.

If the claim looked like BS later on then I would push for I lynch. I usually tend to believe any claim at first but then I believe it less later on based on what happened. Look at shos' claim in the last game. I believed it at first but then I believed it less and less after time passes. By the next day I didn't believe the claim at all hence the double quotes around the role he claimed. We'll see how Silver behaves with this claim but it's really not helping that she's gone back to lurking immediately after the claim.  

Okay I should let you guys know because it would be unethical for me to keep this secret and try to gain an advantage but the mafia DO NOT have day talk. I don't see it written anywhere in the rules and I was curious as to whether the mafia can talk during the day or not so I asked the mod. I don't know if you really can gain an advantage from knowing this when not mafia but I asked because I was curious, not because I am trying to gain an advantage.

No, this is WIFOM. So if the mafia are buddying each other then we should believe that these people are not mafia because mafia always distance? No way.

This is quite misleading as it suggests that you are not part of the mafia when really nothing can be deduced.

I'm still annoyed at you for making Silver claim since we weren't really voting her for seeming mafiary and making slips, but more for just not posting enough evidence against other people. I never got a scum vibe from her and it would've been good to keep her role a secret. Even though it is not a major role a mafia cop who might have investigated her and could've been discovered is now unlikely to, it is a role that only works while it is not revealed.

I've forgotten who I was voting for at the moment, but whoever it is can be let off the hook temporarily.

Unvote, Vote:Thomas

Unvote, Vote: soccerboy13542

I have no clue who the mafia are so either they are playing very well or they are lurking badly. I will go with the latter for now.

"We"? So the lurking was very pro-town wasn't it? Did you have a null read on Silver?

There are 4 lurkers, they can't all be mafia.

Since there are 4 "lurkers" (one of them apparently being me)...

Thomas. Please explain why you voted me again?

On Day 1 you voted me and refused to say the reason, and you have yet to clear this up.

That's not WIFOM. Distancing is always a slight scumtell; buddying is a null tell.

Also, a distinction to note: mafia distancing looks much different than townie crossfire. Mafia will butt heads, but not lynch each other except on major one-sided scumtells. Townies usually don't back off unless an extraordinary reason is revealed for them to do so.

Well if Silver's claim is true then there's 3 lurkers who are suspects. I doubt all 3 of them are scum together though. Soccerboy seems to have lurked the most. Here's his posts made today:
Post 1
Post 2
Post 3
Post 4
Post 5
Post 6

So yeah, 6 posts so far is really bad and the deadline is a few days away. Now how many of those posts are relevant to the game? 1-2.

No I am not going to waste time re-stating why I voted for you why you are probably not even reading the thread to find out. You don't even seem to realize how BADLY you are lurking.

"Mafia would never do that [buddy each other]" is definitely WIFOM. Why are you talking about distancing? If we don't even know who's scum then we can't see the distancing? And budding is probably a scum tell because it is usually done by scum. Isa did it as scum when I played in a game with him and there was no way that guy he buddied thought Isa was scum. Anyway if somebody is buddying as town then that's pretty bad town play.

Thomas, I really hope you know what a power outage is...

I've still got my vote on Shavey which, just saying, you seemed to have missed in your posts listed.
I've had no other suspicions as of yet, so i have been sticking with my vote on Shavey.

Your style of playing seems to just attack everyone for every little mistake they make.
Your arrogance makes this game really boring to play.



Even after Silver posted her thought, you still continued to bash everyone, insulted her case that YOU PRESSURED HER TO SAY... then continued to try and eliminate everyone else.

You're probably gonna yell at me for posting this, then accuse me of voting you just because you voted me...
The way you're playing is annoying me way too much.

Unvote: Shavey
Vote: Thomas

I didn't say "Mafia never buddies" now did I? I think you just like saying WIFOM too much.
And you can see distancing. The only unclear thing is whether it's a mafia distancing or two townies.
Buddying is not a scum tell because townie also want to have friends to avoid being mislynched. Being disliked in a mafia game is unhealthy. Ask Jazz. Since both sides have pretty much the same reason to do it, this is a null tell.

Moreover, (regarding my first sentence) I believe you're the one who first suggested that mafia don't buddy each other (or presumably townies). You want to put any other words in my mouth?Here is my evidence on that point. Stop lying; maybe you won't look so suspicious.

I did not say that you said mafia don't buddy. So you said that "the mafia will try to distance themselves from each other" but what if they don't? What if they buddy each other instead? Because they aren't distancing, is this a good reason to believe they are not scum? See the flaw there? I guess it evens out as a null tell.

Thomas please READ what people are saying. You say that buddying says nothing and I think that's what Snipe is saying too, but that people who aren't buddying are likely to be mafia trying to disguise themselves. It's not about what if they don't buddy each other it's about how likely the town members will distance from each other.

I'm with Snipe and against your horrid flaming Thomas. Please stop jumping down peoples throats.

And when the power is back your posts still have little effort put into them.

I only recall attacking lurkers. I certainly have not attacked everybody; only those who are scummy.

Your lurking makes this game more boring to play and harder to find scum (unless it's you).

Yes I did want her thoughts but I did not want some bad case. She could have at least posted reads but instead that case. You gotta admit it was a bad case.

Yeah I could accuse you of OMGUS because you appear to be voting for me not because I'm scummy but because "The way you're [I'm] playing is annoying me [you] way too much." But seriously, you guys (the young members who never post) really don't post enough and I have lost (or come close to) losing a game to scum because they lurk and it makes it harder to get a read on somebody when they rarely post. I have been in a 3 player lylo situation twice (I won both times by the way) and in both of them, I read back and I think "Man, it would have helped a lot if this guy had answered this question or posted his reads etc." Your thoughts will help both NOW and later on in the game so post them. What I did is apparently what is takes to get Silver to post. Anyway, because you never showed any suspicions on me until your most recent post which was your first post after I voted you, I believe this is OMGUS. My vote remains at this time.

Oh yeah and @Mod: Vote count please.

Thank goodness for that!

Vote Count
- 2.3

Votes:

5 - Thomas (Silver, Isa, snipereborn, Harumbai, soccerboy) [L-1]
2 - Shavey Dave (Yaya, jellsprout)
2 - Silver (Kooler, Shavey Dave)
1 - soccerboy (Thomas)

1 - Not Voting (Yuggy)

FoS:

4 - Silver (Kooler, Yuggy, jellsprout, snipereborn)
2 - Kooler (Yuggy, Shavey Dave)
2 - Shavey Dave (Yuggy, snipereborn)
1 - Thomas (Kooler)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: January 26, 2012, 11:59PM Interguild Time.

?? Oh s*** I'm at L-1? SHAVEY DAVE DON'T POST HERE. Waiting for Isa.

Silver post your thoughts instead of minus rating my posts while hidden.