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'Thomas' said:
Okay well let's stop wasting time trying to build on suspicions of somebody who isn't mafia (me) and build suspicions on somebody who may be mafia (Jellsprout, Silver).
I came close to loling at this post, but I didn't which is a good thing because I was drinking water at that moment, and the results could have been disastrous.

You know guys, I think Thomas is right. We need to stop building suspicions on people who aren't mafia (me and Thomas) and build suspicions on people who may be mafia (Jellsprout, Silver)

Thomas, do you think about what you're saying? I said, undecided. That means that you may be mafia, and you may be town.

Additionally my post before your post asking me if I thought you were mafia wasn't really building suspicion as much as it was disproving you trying to prove that you must be town. I mean, you even admitted that you said something because a mafia wouldn't say it. Let's hear it again.

'Thomas' said:
Well I'm just proving to not be a mafia because a mafia would not say that.
If a mafia wants to sound innocent, wouldn't he try to say something a mafia would not say?

It doesn't mean that you're mafia, but it doesn't mean you're a townie either.

Instead of that, you should have said "My apologies, Deathbunni X. FoS me then."


Except that she already FoS'd you today. But you still should have done it.


If you think I'm acting strange in this post it's probably because it's late, but feel free to lynch me then.



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Thomas can I offer to exchange your shovel for my plastic spoon? Because your hole is getting pretty big there...

Your explanation seems well frankly wrong and you are eager to shift attention from yourself (and you keep trying to make it clear you are town).

I think people misunderstood when I said that my vote is for Silver. Of course I wouldn't want to lynch before finding out her role, but I just wanted to put it out there that her absence is suspicious as it could be faked and her whole attitude this whole game makes her my first target. Having said that, Thomas is drawing into a close second place so who knows...


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'Thomas' said:
But Quirvy if I was mafia I wouldn't be saying that I think you're town. Unless we were both mafia which we aren't.


Lynching Quirvy is the worst thing that could happen to the Mafia right now, aside from lynching a Mafia member obviously. Quirvy has stated to have respawn powers. If you lynch Quirvy today, he gets resurrected tomorrow and everybody will know for a fact that Quirvy is Town. Assuming DBX gets killed tonight by the Mafia, that still gives as 3 Townies vs 2 Mafia and if lynched randomly gives us a 50% chance of lynching a Mafia.

On that note, Quirvy's role claim has convinced me that he is Town. Not because the role itself seems so plausible, but because it would be immensely idiotic for a Mafia to claim a role like that. This respawn ability makes Quirvy the safest lynch. If Quirvy tells the truth, he won't be bothered by it at all and us Townies even gain a slightly better position tomorrow. If he is lying, he is Mafia and won't be able to respawn.
Quirvy is a smart boy. If he were Mafia, he would never have made a role claim like this.

Concerning Silver, we have learned from the past that inactivity does not equal Mafia. We have lynched twice now because of inactivity and both those times they turned out to be Townies. However, inactivity does not equal Town either. We can't dismiss her just because of this.
I do find it immensely stupid of her to be inactive at this stage in the game. She has already learned that we are likely to lynch inactive people. It is almost as if she wants to get lynched, as if she is tired of this game.

Of Thomas and Harumbai, I find Thomas to be the most suspicious. Harumbai appears to be acting pretty casual, while Thomas seems far to busy proving that he is a Townie, and poorly might I add.
Harumbai's role claim does appear to be what a Mafia could claim. It would explain why she doesn't get killed by the Mafia the next few nights. Thomas's also appears to be very odd. What does only posting 5 times have to do with a Treasure Chest? It could be that he has a Mafia role that prevents him from posting less, like Hannah's hyperactive pet dog or something, and that he now tries to cover it up by claiming Soccerboy's role but still with his own restrictions.

If we were to lynch right now, I would suggest we lynch Thomas and otherwise Harumbai. Luckily we don't have to lynch now, as I am very interested in what Silver/Yuggy has to say and they could easily sway me to vote for them instead.


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Jell, I can't be killed in the night except through overrides.


  
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I thought you said that you couldn't be killed except for Mafia kills, but it appears that was Thomas.


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No, Thomas can be lynched, but at night only the mafia can kill him. Get it together, jell.



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That was what I meant.


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Yuggy has replaced Silver, taking over her role. Silver may no longer post in this topic, should she come back.
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Okay, yuggy, what's your role and character?



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I am
Crate-aligned Dynamite Crate.
Basicly, a bomb, anyone who targets me in the night gets killed
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any night actions?



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Ok, either Yuggy or Harumbai is lying. They both have night rebound actions, which would make a pretty lopsided game. That or I misread Harumbai's first post.


  
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Harumbai has a Zergling Ranger role and Yuggy has a Bomb role. With the lack of other offensive roles such as Jack Of All Trades this seems possible. Isa probably did this to ensure more kills.


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Yeah, but I'm suspicious of Yuggy/silver now because that's another vanilla role with nothing  to do at night. These people don't have night actions as far as I know:

DBX
Quirvy
Jell
Thomas
Yuggy

That's too many, 4 out of the 5 potential suspects. And even the only person who has a night action only has their night action have any affect if they get killed.


Alright, time to get all of my thoughts out there.

Despite that Harumbai has the only role that has a night action, I'm still suspicious of him claiming Silver to be suspicious because she could just be pulling one on us. You too, Thomas.

If silver was mafia, why would she leave the day after Jazz got killed? Jazz was the heart crate, the guy that CSD was talking about who we needed to protect and keep alive. If anything this makes her look like she's town, and she's leaving because she's disappointed with the events in the game. If she was mafia she'd be happy because she'd be closing in on a second victory as a mafia member. Why'd she leave and lose a chance at being part of the winning party? If she was mafia she'd probably at least announce Both of you seemed to miss that possibility and jump on her for being inactive, perhaps mafia buddies?

With that said I'm not sure that I buy Yuggy's role. Night was to end Wednesday, Isa asked us whether or not we wanted more flavor or a faster start to this day on Thursday, and started the day Friday. This tells me that either the night actions went down to the final day, or someone didn't perform a night action when they had the ability to, otherwise he would have brought up the start of the new day earlier. So who could be the person to miss their night action? Well what about Silver who disappeared after the day's end? Yuggy's role doesn't seem to suggest a night action, but the time between days suggests to me that someone, likely silver, missed their night action.

So, Yuggy, you're sure that your role is to kill anyone who targets you?

Lets look at Thomas. My character is a treasure and I have to post 5 times every day or else I die? What? Oh, and also he can only get killed at night by mafia, which means that town and independents can't kill him at night. You know who else that applies to? The mafia godfather.

And not to get ahead of ourselves, but if Silver was mafia, and she jumped ship without telling anyone, and left the fellow mafia alone, who of the remaining members would be make a decision as stupid as killing CSD, who claimed that if the town were to lynch either he or DBX, they should lynch him? I dunno, but I'm gonna have to lean Thomas here.


And I feel like I should get it out there that we don't know what soccerboy's role was so a member of the mafia could easily steal his role, and I'm specifically talking about Jellsprout here. Soccerboy whined about his role and how useless it was. Mayor fits this description, and CSD as a member of the crate alliance seems legit.

Because of his "pointless role", he had to start singing the start to bohemian rhapsody. I looked it up, Yaya was the one that started it, but CSD was involved in the chatbox activity back when it happened, so he could indeed be CSD.

Additionally, I'm not even past suspecting that CSD is a protagonist here. He controls hannah when he's testing his caves, what's to say that jell's telling the truth about his character, and instead stealing soccerboy's role because it also makes sense? he led us in the singing of bohemian rhapsody, perhaps he was also the one metaphorically leading the town, because he's the mayor.



Thoughts?



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I am actually going to interfere here and say that the reason the day started like it did was because I was very busy with real-life issues, known as homework during final week of school. That was the only reason I'd be asking that question, I wouldn't have time to write decent flavour if you wanted the day released at Thursday. Also, realize that your argument is built upon me starting this day after the time it was supposed to start. If anything, I should have waited earlier days for the deadline to pass to ensure you all that all night actions could have been carried through.
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I'm not suggesting that you were trying to extend the night for silver, I was suggesting that the night ended as normally scheduled due to someone not filling in their night actions. I can't say for sure that it didn't end early and that you just waited until it officially ended, but I can suggest it as a possibility based on the fact that you didn't bring up the start of the new day until Thursday, regardless of whether or not you were busy and it delayed the start to friday.

You asking us whether or not you wanted it fast or good was only related to marking the first mention of the new day's start. Had you started it regularly on Thursday, I would be suggesting the same thing. It's possible the night ended early and you were just busy and didn't want to bring up the flavor until you actually were expected to, but you can't actually disclose whether or not the day ended early or on Wednesday night.

Well, at least not until after the game is over.



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Time to type up a long post
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People with night actions dying early doesn't dispute the fact that we have to many people here with vanilla roles. We obviously have 2 mafia left, and it you not having a night action role doesn't help you out here because you were someone I would have expected to have a night role since everyone but Harumbai didn't have one, and because of the night stuff I already mentioned, even though it doesn't definitively mean anything.



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Now to type up a long post,

First why I am town
for a start
'Quirvy' said:
Yeah, but I'm suspicious of Yuggy/silver now because that's another vanilla role with nothing  to do at night. These people don't have night actions as far as I know:

DBX
Quirvy
Jell
Thomas
Yuggy


Ok, lots of vanilla's or close to vanilla's. Well for a start, lots of important town members died early, for example Yaya - Detective, and two bodyguards - Bmwsu and Jazz.

So at the moment my list is like this

Town/Crate
Yuggy
DBX

Possibly town
Quirvy
Jellsprout
Harumbi

Mafia
Thomas

This is mainly because, apart from myself, the only other person I know to be town is DBX.
No-one else however has been suspicious apart from Thomas. For a start his role.
'thomas' said:
I am basically a vanilla townie and I need to post at least 5 times each day or I'll be modkilled. My character name is treasure chest.

The main reason this is fishy is because all the other roles fit in with their name - for example -
My role - dynamite crate - makes sense to go with a sort of backfire role.
Harumbi's role - arrow crate - makes sense as aiming at someone, and if broken, firing at them, makes sense
Jell's role makes sense as 'CSD' made the cavemaker a mayor role fits.

Thomas's role does not fit at all. How does a treasure chest in any way link to having to post five times a day? This is the main reason why I think Thomas is mafia, but also his constant complaining about his role. He could easily be doing this to try and cover up a great role, such as a mafia one. Overall due to the reasons above and general suspicion I'm going to:

FOS - Thomas
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Yuggy has been warned for editing his post.
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Sorry guys, I just got rid of an accidental half-post which I did. I did not change anything and everything I said is in the long post I posted.
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'jellsprout' said:
On that note, Quirvy's role claim has convinced me that he is Town. Not because the role itself seems so plausible, but because it would be immensely idiotic for a Mafia to claim a role like that. This respawn ability makes Quirvy the safest lynch. If Quirvy tells the truth, he won't be bothered by it at all and us Townies even gain a slightly better position tomorrow. If he is lying, he is Mafia and won't be able to respawn.
Quirvy is a smart boy. If he were Mafia, he would never have made a role claim like this.
Well it's not like anybody trusts your role. Quirvy did say that if you're mafia you could have taken that role from soccerboy since he was janitored. He told us that he didn't like his role and I can see why. Who would want to stop a lynch? How about you prove your role if we lynch your fellow mafia, Harumbai?

How about we post a list of suspected mafia like what we did on day 1. I would like to see the updates from everybody. For me (assuming DBX is town):
- Jellsprout
- Harumbai
- Silver/Yuggy (maybe)

'jellsprout' said:
Of Thomas and Harumbai, I find Thomas to be the most suspicious. Harumbai appears to be acting pretty casual, while Thomas seems far to busy proving that he is a Townie, and poorly might I add.
Harumbai's role claim does appear to be what a Mafia could claim. It would explain why she doesn't get killed by the Mafia the next few nights. Thomas's also appears to be very odd. What does only posting 5 times have to do with a Treasure Chest? It could be that he has a Mafia role that prevents him from posting less, like Hannah's hyperactive pet dog or something, and that he now tries to cover it up by claiming Soccerboy's role but still with his own restrictions.
Quit trying to take attention off Harumbai. If I was mafia why do you think I would make such stupid posts such as the following:
'Thomas' said:
My apologies Quirvy. Lynch me then.

'Thomas' said:
Okay well let's stop wasting time trying to build on suspicions of somebody who isn't mafia (me) and build suspicions on somebody who may be mafia (Jellsprout, Silver).


I'm just annoyed that we haven't lynched a mafia yet and we'll be lynching somebody in your crew of mafia today so beware. Jazz's 'screw it' attitude annoyed me a lot too. You mafia didn't mind that though did you?

As for my role, I have nothing to say about that but all you need to know (you mafia must already know) is that I'm town and my role is weird.

If someone is suspicious of me please FoS me so I know. Quirvy are you suspicious of me?

'Quirvy' said:
Lets look at Thomas. My character is a treasure and I have to post 5 times every day or else I die? What? Oh, and also he can only get killed at night by mafia, which means that town and independents can't kill him at night. You know who else that applies to? The mafia godfather.
If I was mafia, or godfather do you think I know be stupid enough to give out such information? Only Harumbai would do that.

'Yuggy' said:
Thomas's role does not fit at all. How does a treasure chest in any way link to having to post five times a day? This is the main reason why I think Thomas is mafia, but also his constant complaining about his role. He could easily be doing this to try and cover up a great role, such as a mafia one. Overall due to the reasons above and general suspicion I'm going to:
How about you take Isa's job: What would be a better role in this list under town aligned for a treasure chest?
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You probably couldn't find one? Well I didn't even look because I know that I'm town and my role is not fake. Also the post minimum is not a role it's basically just an extra added on to my character. When Isa made this character he must have thought a vanilla townie would get bored of the game/inactive without any night actions so with this threat of getting mod killed it would keep the player active? It's no problem for me to post 5 times a day (except on day 2) though. So this is my explanation/guess on why my role is weird now did you guys not read my post on the bottom of page 2? Here it is:
'Thomas' said:
Okay well let's stop wasting time trying to build on suspicions of somebody who isn't mafia (me) and build suspicions on somebody who may be mafia (Jellsprout, Silver).

Let's do that.
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Hey Quirvy post something here before you go.
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'Thomas' said:
Quit trying to take attention off Harumbai. If I was mafia why do you think I would make such stupid posts such as the following:
'Thomas' said:
My apologies Quirvy. Lynch me then.

'Thomas' said:
Okay well let's stop wasting time trying to build on suspicions of somebody who isn't mafia (me) and build suspicions on somebody who may be mafia (Jellsprout, Silver).
Yes, so you can use them at times like this!

I'm just annoyed that we haven't lynched a mafia yet and we'll be lynching somebody in your crew of mafia today so beware. Jazz's 'screw it' attitude annoyed me a lot too. You mafia didn't mind that though did you?

As for my role, I have nothing to say about that but all you need to know (you mafia must already know) is that I'm town and my role is weird. This is very similar to how I got stuffed last round. The roles that don't make sense as townies are often cos they're mafia. I should know.

If someone is suspicious of me please FoS me so I know. Quirvy are you suspicious of me?
People can be suspicious with out needing to tell you, stop trying to pull everyone onto your side, you're kind f a acting a little paranoid.

'Quirvy' said:
Lets look at Thomas. My character is a treasure and I have to post 5 times every day or else I die? What? Oh, and also he can only get killed at night by mafia, which means that town and independents can't kill him at night. You know who else that applies to? The mafia godfather.
If I was mafia, or godfather do you think I know be stupid enough to give out such information? Only Harumbai would do that. Anyone could do something like this, no need to point fingers...

'Yuggy' said:
Thomas's role does not fit at all. How does a treasure chest in any way link to having to post five times a day? This is the main reason why I think Thomas is mafia, but also his constant complaining about his role. He could easily be doing this to try and cover up a great role, such as a mafia one. Overall due to the reasons above and general suspicion I'm going to:
How about you take Isa's job: What would be a better role in this list under town aligned for a treasure chest?
You probably couldn't find one? Well I didn't even look because I know that I'm town and my role is not fake. (This is not particularly convincing) Also the post minimum is not a role it's basically just an extra added on to my character. When Isa made this character he must have thought a vanilla townie would get bored of the game/inactive without any night actions so with this threat of getting mod killed it would keep the player active? It's no problem for me to post 5 times a day (except on day 2) though. So this is my explanation/guess on why my role is weird now did you guys not read my post on the bottom of page 2? Here it is:
'Thomas' said:
Okay well let's stop wasting time trying to build on suspicions of somebody who isn't mafia (me) and build suspicions on somebody who may be mafia (Jellsprout, Silver).

Let's do that. You may be Mafia


As for making lists, I really don't think that it is that necessary. I usually keep in mind what I think is suspicious from other people, but the idea of making a list of who you think is mafia seems weird as there only can be about 2 mafia still remaining so I tend to think of who is most likely in my mind to be mafia, the safest choice to lynch in trying to get the Mafia. I'm not too worried about getting both. One for now would be good.


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Sorry about the triple post but I think I found a new lead. Here's a post from Jellsprout with ideas of roles for this game: http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/jump.php?to=1299017796

Or you can see it here:
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Town roles:
-Dynamite Crate: At the beginning of the game this person must name three other people from the game. If this person dies, those three die as well.
-Life Cate: When this person dies, he must name one other person that has died, unless no other person has died. That person will get resurrected the next morning.
-Arrow Crate: When this person dies, he must name one other alive person. That person will die the next morning.
-Water Tap Crate: When this person dies, the game will last for 4 more in-game days. If no side has won by then, the townies win.
-Water Crate: If both this character and the Water Tap Crate character are dead, the amount of days left in the game gets decreased by 1.
-Steel Crate: This person can't be killed by the mafia.
-Treasure Chest: This person can't be killed by other Crates or the Snowbeast.
-Boulder: Each day the Hannah character may name one person that isn't in the mafia. The Boulder will be the Bodyguard for that person for the night. The Hannah can't select the same person the mafia will kill that night.
-Gem Crate: As long as this character is alive, the game can't end, except if this character is the only character left alive.
-Wooden Crate: If this character dies, he gets reborn as a new crate the following morning. This can happen up to two times in the game.

Independant:
-Ice Soldier: Serial killer character, but gets killed if he targets the Armin.
-Ice Skull: Survivor, but can't be killed by the mafia.
-Snowbeast: Serial killer character. He will survive the first two events that would have killed him, but nobody is told when he does. Automatically dies if he targets the Treasure Chest, Boulder or Steel Crate.
-Kanrik (or whatever he was called): This character is Independent until targeted by the mafia. Once that happens he will become an ordinary mafia member. If the game ends when Kanrik is still alive and before he got recruited by the mafia, he wins.

Mafia:
-Hannah: May make one additional kill each night, but she gets killed if she targets an Independent character other than Kanrik.
-Armin: Regular goon.


Most of those roles actually appear to be used in the game so with this we can assume the following are trusted town:
- Quirvy
- DeathBunni X
- Thomas
- Harumbai

This leaves the following users as mafia suspects:
- Jellsprout
- Silver/Yuggy

Jellsprout's role isn't on that list so either Isa made it up or Jellsprout made it up. Silver/Yuggy said his role was dynamite crate so whoever targets him will get killed but in Jellsprout's role idea list it said:
'Jellsprout' said:
-Dynamite Crate: At the beginning of the game this person must name three other people from the game. If this person dies, those three die as well.


I still think it's a possibility Harumbai may be mafia but I think Yuggy may be mafia so I'm not 100% sure for them. Yuggy was rather fast to get suspicious of me though after joining the game.

Oh and guys:
'Jellsprout' said:
-Treasure Chest: This person can't be killed by other Crates or the Snowbeast.


So I think we should lynch Jellsprout today because of the above evidence and all other reasons and because he's probably the smartest person in the game right now (or on mafia). So since I have an FoS against him already what's next?
Vote: Jellsprout
Disagree? Prove me wrong.

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You ninja'd me so I'm posting this before reading your post.

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