Vote Count:

Thomas (1) - Flashmarsh
Flashmarsh (2) - Thomas, Isa
yimmy7 (1) - Quirvy

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch


That should say Friday, July 12th

OMGUS on both Isa and I right here.

I thought Isa was supposed to be good at this game but he's talking about voting for pressure but that's not pressuring someone if you make it clear it's only pressure. So don't get me wrong, FlashMarsh, I want you dead. We don't even NEED more time so I dunno why Isa's trying to stall things here. Atvelonis won't be able to post today, Yimmy is gone and I dunno if Atvelonis will be replaced.

So Isa wants to us wait around for nothing and scramble at the last minute to try and get a lynch with five people when it takes four to lynch. I don't understand that.

The feeling of being just one vote away from being lynched is a pretty damning one. People can do the cutest things when that happens.


We surely need more time, but you remind me that we don't HAVE any time. Deadline is soon.

Quirvy and Soccerboy, vote now or forever hold your peace. Yimmi left us without any vote and atvelonis is gone.

So soccerboy is now the guy who is going to answer all Isa's questions directed at me, apparently. Isa, do town ever do that or is he scum defending someone he knows is town??

Maybe so if you actually did something suspicious but I don't see it if you pretty much just say "consider this vote pressure" and go on to vote the person. If all votes putting them at L-1 are declared as pressure, there actually is not much pressure on the player compared to if you had a legitimate reason.

Why do we need more time? What are you waiting for? Is shos gonna login and post a list of mafia in the game or something?

The most common example is of scum defending his partner. =p (You're not scum with Soccerboy though.)
Other than that I have no idea what you're referencing.


Good thing this isn't the case then, nor was it was I ever suggested, but feel free to back up this statement with quotes where I suggest this if you feel like strawmanning some more.


Because I don't know what you think about the other players in the game bar FlashMarsh who you think we should policy lynch.
Because I don't know what Soccerboy thinks of anyone, really.
Because I don't know what FlashMarsh thinks of anyone bar myself and you.
Because I don't know what Quirvy thinks about anyone bar myself.

But sure, let's rush things. Who cares about content when you can just lynch people straight off the bat?

Well soccerboy is gonna have to explain something here then.

It did happen. On the last page you were making it clear these wagons are pressure and you don't want a lynch right now.

So you just assumed all those people would post their thoughts without you asking them? You were encouraging people to join wagons, as far as I remember. You didn't, up until this post, push for their thoughts so I'm thinking you made this up on the spot.

Well I have no town reads thus far in this game. Null soccerboy and Quirvy. Slight scum on Isa. Atvelonis isn't here and Yimmy likes to follow Quirvy. That's interesting.

And I stand by that, however this game is slow-paced. We're only six pages in with two days until deadline.


Pardon me for thinking people want to play pro-town.


Yimmi likes to follow everyone that seems to know what they're doing. You should probably also note that Quirvy is currently voting Yimmi.

I feel like I should clarify this. I want a lynch as late into the day as possible, so that we can extract the most information out of this day. Until the time is right for a lynch (which is late into the day, preferably), all wagons should start off as pressure - lynching someone at once should not be the goal. If we had 5 Thomases in the game who all thought alike, all days would end way too early.

The slow-paced nature of this game makes it hard to extract information though and we are more or less forced to gather support for an actual lynch right now due to the short amount of time remaining until deadline.


With that said, V/LA until Sunday. I have a phone that I can post through but I will have very spotty internet access even through that.

I was really hoping Jorster meant the 13th. Now we only have until ~11am Friday (IG Time) to figure out who we want to lynch, which means I really only have today and tomorrow to vote.

That's kind of what I figured you'd say but I wanted to make sure anyways.

Although Isa's perception of soccer based on his reaction was "more town that before", I'm not too convinced. To me, it felt like he went "oh crap, I haven't posted anything meaningful, I better start doing that" so he leads off his post by questioning that post of Flashmarsh's, where I thought was pretty obvious that he just missed Thomas' post(s) about atvelonis never being online.

...But what I thought was really suspicious when I looked at it, was how Flashmarsh completely ignored what soccerboy said and tried to make sure the spotlight wouldn't get on him by attacking Isa. Soccerboy's posts were right above his, I don't see how he could miss that. And then when I got Isa to expand on the reasons why he was suspicious of Flashmarsh, Flash ignored that, too and instead tried to shift focus to Thomas. It took me 2 more posts before I could get him to finally explain something as simple as "I didn't know atvelonis was never online"

With that said, it's not like Thomas doesn't also deserve attention. His "Which alignment are you, Flashmarsh?" post is right next to "Quirvy is acting differently" as far as stupid posts go. What could you expect Flashmarsh to say that will let you know anything about anything? Were you hoping that he would mess up and say "mafia" or something? If you asked me that, I'd probably ignore it, too. The difference between what you did, and what Isa did, is that Isa was looking for reactions from everyone (as well as to get us out of the RVS), whereas you were looking for Flashmarsh's reaction, and again, what exactly are you going to get out of him answering that? And furthermore, did you make sure to check that he was even online from that period of time? I wanted to check that, but by the time I got on he had already been online again.

I agree with Isa's analysis of Yimmy. During the period of time Yimmy was with us, he was running around like a headless chicken. He doesn't seem to really know what's going on, and finds himself very easily swayed by other members, like when he voted for Isa, but Isa immediately got him to change his mind, leading him to vote for me, and then when I responded to Isa he immediately unvoted me and voted for Isa (speaking of which, shouldn't Yimmy's vote be on Isa right now, or did I miss an unvote?). If this was someone like Thomas who had more experience, I'd be very suspicious, but given how he basically joined the interguild last week, I get the feeling he's just a very inexperienced town.


If I had to vote right now, I would vote Flashmarsh, because of the way he's handled negative attention. But I don't have to vote right now, nor do I think it's a particularly good idea. From what soccer said earlier, it'll probably be harder for him to be online than me, and I wouldn't want him to not be able to vote for Flash because he's at L-1, and he doesn't want to end the day early, only to not be able to get the opportunity to come online again, and then we end up with a no-lynch. That said, we are actually pretty late in the day.

I will, however, Unvote Yimmy, since that vote was only made to make a point to him.

Well I'm not going to tell you what I look for in a response to those questions because you'd know how to answer them in a way that would make me think you're town aligned when you aren't. But it has proven to work in the past so I don't see why I wouldn't work now. Anyway, I'm tired of this, let's move on to the next day and get a lynch here.

I'll vote flashmarsh if need be, but for now i'd rather NOT vote him. We only need yimmy coming in here and being oh hey follow everyone else and lynching him early. he doesn't seem /too/ scummy, but the omgus i felt was pretty accurate about him, and his behaviour imo is enough for a lynch.

I feel like either Thomas or flashmarsh are mafia, but not both... there's always the possibility that atvelonis is, but i really hope not. for now, disregarding him til a replacement comes in. it really annoys me that mymop was on, but didn't say anything to his brother and didn't look at the replacement part :/

yimmy needs to post again, this time with some more content, though i'm not expecting all that much from him.

isa, i feel like though he's posted a lot, all he's done is pressure people, and any accusation he makes feels like he's just trying to add pressure, even if he has a valid point. it's hard to take him seriously right now. for now, he's null.

thomas, i'd like you to go through and link me to mafia games where you asking "what alignment are you?" has worked.
also when you say "soccerboy is now the guy who is going to answer all Isa's questions" you make it seem like i answered a ton of questions. i answered one. in that situation, that post was the only instance i remembered from you wanting to lynch flashmarsh, and since isa's post was pretty close before, i just posted it. didn't think much else of it.

quirvy, i felt like that long post didn't do all that much. "quirvy is acting differently" seems like a legitimate reason, whereas "which alignment are you?" doesn't. it just seems like you're trying to make yourself and flashmarsh off the radar. that just really set me off how you compared the post about you and of flashmarsh :/

i'd say scumteam: flashmarsh + quirvy

also: mod, have d2 start once isa gets back please. we need all the activity we can get.

  Phone post.

Please extend the day due to the lack of a player, mod.

The day should not have started with only five players to begin with.  

I see where Isa is coming from

Long post which is entirely useless but gives the impression it isn't

The day has been extended to Wednesday, July 17

^ Short post that is entirely useless.

^short post that is entirely useless

So Soccerboy, if it's a FlashMarsh and Quirvy scum team, why not vote one of them? Do you think if this situation is real, this explains why Quirvy has not voted FlashMarsh yet?

I'm not going to link to any other games but what I did is part of my aggressive play style as town which you should know of by now. In Neopets mafia, I straight up asked Yaya early on in day 1 if he was scum because he was playing differently, if I remember correctly, and all I got in response was the scummy answer of "No." He didn't expand on that or anything. In Isa's IG mafia #5 game, your scum partner was at L-1 so I told you to hammer him. You completely ignored me but I believe had you been town, you would have generated some sort of response to what I said. This is a slightly different situation but you can take the above and apply it to this case. It's looking for reactions and that's also what Isa was apparently doing as well. It works pretty well and even ignoring is a reaction because you chose to not respond.

I'll give you links to some of my games as scum sometime and it will blow your mind. There's this one where all town players had me as town when I was scum.

Remember how you asked Yaya that. ..and he was town?

woah what an epik mafia pro player I better listen

Thomas, I still don't get it. What is there to expand on when you ask a completely straightforward question without providing anything else to discuss?

"Yaya, are you mafia-aligned?"
"No."
"OBVSCUM. DIDNT EXPAND ON ANYTHING"

"What is 1+1?"
"2."
"OBVSCUM. DIDNT EXPAND ON ANYTHING"

I know that's an exaggeration, but I still just don't see the logic here.

Moving onto more logic that absolutely does not make sense:
Where to start with this?

Someone acting differently is a legitimate reason for wanting to lynch/vote/pressure them, but if you're going to post about it, you should expect to only be taken seriously if you actually expand on it, and talk about why they're acting differently. Someone acting like mafia is also a legitimate reason for lynching/voting/pressuring them, but if I were to post out of the blue, "vote: soccer. Soccer is acting like mafia", should anyone take me seriously? My point is basically that Thomas is posting nothing, and expecting people to take him seriously.

I'm trying to take me and FlashMarsh off the radar? How so? Thomas' "Quirvy is acting differently" post was not on the radar to begin with. The spotlight was on Thomas and Flashmarsh, not me. And how in the world did you figure that I was trying to get FlashMarsh off the radar, after I called him out for trying to divert attention away from himself, and ended my post by basically saying that he was the most suspicious player?

I like how thomas tries to get people to listen to him by acting like he know what he is doing when he knows as little as I do

I recall asking him the same question in a game where he was town. His response though, as town, was different. He might have been the cop. I looked and can't find the post you're talking about. This site needs a real search feature.

I said I wasn't gonna link but I found the post to Yaya's "No." so here it is:
http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/jump.php?to=1325811436

Quirvy, you need to look at being mafia like being guilty of a crime. So lets say the cops have seven suspects for a bank robbery with two people involved. Each person would be questioned and stuff. The guilty guys may say the wrong thing (maybe they know more info on what happened than the average person) or they may generate short answers to questions because they think less information while still denying will make it hard to prove things. And then there's jellsprout who was asked at some point in game #3 I think if he was mafia again by someone who was not me and he responded in a paragraph saying he felt under less pressure or something as town. He was telling the truth at the time and because everything he had said beforehand, etc. was also true, he knew nothing would conflict and cause a "scum slip."

If you're going to ask me "why?" then it's all psychology and criminology.

So yeah, I use psychology to scum hunt and take how people would react to things IRL and apply it to the game to get my reads. It's worked pretty well if you look at my history of reads...

Anyway, as far as I can see, you've caught me scum hunting. Is that a crime? Don't you have better things to talk about right now than me?

flashmarsh, judging by last game, thomas knows a LOT more than you do... oh god last game was terrible. i'm kinda surprised thomas didn't say anything about this post...

idk about you guys, but when i read through what other people have to say, i read through it if i can take the person seriously. flashmarsh, nothing that you've said i've been able to take seriously. EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU SAY is just bashing other users, adding nothing to the discussion.

could flashmarsh be the indie? is there an indie in a 7 person set up?

Vote: FlashMarsh



...after looking through this again, i'm really confused. "you're acting differently"
Quirvy, what mafia game have you played in on here? For some reason i can't find one to see what you've played like in the past.