Wow, L-1? Soccer, you should have said something. I didn't even notice that.
Everyone who is voting thomas should giver their reasons. Then, thomas should be allowed to comment. I'm going to bring thomas out of hammer range for the moment and for that reason. I will also give my reasons for voting; just consider my vote to be there with less risk of something stupid happening (especially since we have some people who like to wagon).
This is not a sign of support for thomas. I'll hammer if I am convinced he's scum.

Unvote

My reasons for Thomas as scum:
1. Hyper-aggressiveness. Scum hunting is one thing. Using birdshot in a crowded room is another.
2. Misrepresentation. This is more than the "he made a bad case against [blah]" version. This is misleading the town with either poorly formed or easily misunderstood "evidence" against another player. He did this twice that I can recall, once against soccer on D1, once on me just now. We might find more if we look through the posts in depth.
3. Probable scum activity. On D1, thomas goes at silver for raging. Silver doesn't really react except to rage some more. On D2, thomas goes at silver for lurking. Silver almost immediately roleclaims. That is very inconsistent. To this point, that is more a Silver scumtell than a thomas scumtell, but anyone who read my "silver stole shos' role" theory knows why thomas gets a scumtell.

Responses?

NINJA'd

Ah, another reason:
4. Pseudo-quoting the mod. Any information that the mod can gives us should be asked about in the open, not through PM's. I'very much dislike this "the mod said blah" business. I don't see how what you asked would hurt either side, except to let the town know that the mafia doesn't know something. I don't think that Dando would be that much slower posting than pming.

I asked this question in confirmation stage so it was wayyyy before the thread was open.

I agree with all these points, but they are still very circumstantial. Thomas might be mafia and he might not be. At the moment I'm more towards him being town than mafia and this is the same as I felt with Silver. Thomas seems fairly relaxed considering he was closed to lynched.

Unvote

I'd still like Thomas to answer this question if he can still remember the answer (I didn't see you answer this question Thomas, if you did, just link me).

Other than that though I feel that Thomas can explain what he wants to and we can see whether he puts his foot in his mouth, but basically I don't think he's mafia.

I'm slightly suspicious of Isa for being in both of the near lynches and having a vote on Shavey before that. I realise that I was the only other person voting in both near lynches, but at least I had stuck on Silver from the start rather than joining that wagon at a slightly scummier place and when I voted Thomas I hadn't really noticed how many votes he already had otherwise I might have left it. I realise this is still hypocritical of me to be suspicious of Isa when I am in the same situation, but since I know my role the only person I can be suspicious of is Isa. FoS:Isa

Wait was Isa in a 3rd almost lynch?


I can't be bothered looking for the lurkeriest person out of Yuggy, Kooler and Shavey right now, but any of them could be mafia, I just don't know.

My reasons for voting Thomas are his weak cases - we're in day 2 and policy lynching lurkers are bad -, his absolutely stupid reasoning to ask Silver to claim - basically, he'd only keep his vote on her if she (assuming Silver is mafia) fakeclaimed a role that scum somehow didn't get through a possible janitor, AND if Mafia didn't get any fakeclaims from the start. His lack of reasoning behind his votes are also scummy.

Harumbai: I started the Shavey Dave wagon, and I started the Thomas wagon. Shavey Dave got to L-1 but it wouldn't have happened without me starting the initial support, I think - at least not as quickly. I was the first player to vote Thomas and by the time Thomas was at even L-3, I had already gone to bed - when I woke up now, he was still at L-3, only difference being that he had been run up to L-1 during that time.
Point is - I am the responsible one for these wagons actually going to L-1 - but even so, why is L-1 a bad thing? The only thing negative about it is if we get a premature claim, like we got from Silver. The Thomas wagon was good, the Jazz wagon was good (yes, it was - the end result was not, though, but there's a major difference), the Shavey Dave wagon was good. Not everyone getting to L-1 will be lynched.

I did in the Silver wagon late, but just like you, I wanted her to post more. I did NOT ask for a claim.

EBWOP: I did JOIN the Silver wagon late

Really? Because that is not how you usually play. You generally like to accuse as early as possible.
Furthmore, it is never too early to figure out scum teams. We've had almost two full days to observe everyone. That is enough information to at least try to deduce the scum teams.

Unvote
Vote: Thomas

Here is why Thomas is 100% scum, by the way:


I haven't heard this attitude from you earlier. In fact, your usual playstyle is "LIST OF SCUM: X, Y AND Z". This makes no sense from a meta-perspective.


Do you think that we should lynch everyone who is ran up to L-1? Do you think that we should actively avoid putting people at L-1 because it signifies that we would lynch them?
Moreover, we can safely assume that Shos was killed by a Janitor, as one has appeared in many previous games on here (it's more plausible than any other theory). This means Mafia would get to know what role Shos has so that they could use his role as a fakeclaim. Therefore, you shouldn't trust anyone with their claim, especially if they're such a non-significant role as a self-watcher.
You contradict yourself when you say that if you unvote everyone who comes up to L-1 we'd never get a lynch, then immediately after the claim unvote. Not only is it poor play in itself to demand a claim and then unvote once you get it (ask shos, I gave him lots of flak for this in our recently finished Mafiascum game), but it also smells funny when you unvote because it means that we're EVEN further from a lynch. ESPECIALLY when you follow this up with a vote on Soccerboy, who has no momentum against him. It's like you don't even want a lynch!


Here we are again. A self-watcher is per definition as weak role, as it will never catch scum and at best only confirm itself as town, but only if another townsperson wastes his/her night action on Silver. If someone has a weak role that they can target at Silver, by all means, do it - but it is still a weak PR.
More contradictions - you wanted to make sure Silver wasn't a strong PR (implying that if she was not, you would push for her lynch). Then, when you secured that she wasn't a strong PR, you drop all support for her wagon by unvoting her.
Jazz obviously fakeclaimed his role. It was D1, and we will never know why he did it (unless he tells us later >_>). Regardless, that was an example of extraordinary poor town play. Of course you'll lynch someone who has a role that even a five-year old could identify as fake. Things won't be as easy from here on.


Silver wouldn't have been lynched if she had provided thoughts on the game instead of claiming, and seeing as Harumbai unvoted before she claimed, I think support for her wagon would die out. The claim was unneeded, again.
Your last sentence makes no sense. SILVER IS NOT A POWERFUL PR. Instead, the chances have now increased that we'll see a night kill that hits a powerful role.

TL;DR - you are full of contradictions and poor play and must die.

I Would vote Thomasbut I'd be yelled at for bandwagoning. Unvote

This reminds me that someone should run a check of how often Shavey Dave has said this...>_>

And is partially why I'm keeping my vote on Shavey for now. Part of your case on Thomas is just him having sheer ignorance and occasional contradictions. No really standout scumtell yet for him, besides making Silver RC (but I could've done the same thing (but nicer) if I was that suspicious of Silver. He just approached it poorly, IMO).
FoS: Thomas
FoS: Yuggy (hasn't posted for 3 pages/since sunday)

And I'm pretty sure Silver has been hiding a lot lately. Once again I must say, it'd be easier to stay on line and post regularly, than get discovered, make a mistake and go to L-1 again.

Sorry for not posting but I've been busy with school, having to chose my GCSE's ect.

I don't have much to say right now, (or much time), but I will say that we need to decide on a lynch soon, as the day ends in two days. I probably won't have time to do very much for at least the rest of this mafia day, due to important school things, but when my GCSE's are chosen I will have more time to do this game.

That is a complete cop out. Even though you are busy with school who knows if that's really busy or just Silver busy. I'd quite like to lynch you now since you haven't been that useful today and that isn't going to change, but you can't defend yourself if your not on.


WE? You're not helping at all!

I probably can't post much until tomorrow because I'm leaving for tha game soon. Tonite tha Canucks will win. Bye guys.

Sorry I wasn't on yesterday, I had some homework that I needed to do, but I finished it today (it's due tomorrow), but now I'm sick (again. ._.), so I may not be able to post for a little while, but I will read the rest of page 7, and pages 8-9 just to catch up.

Okay, now that I'm all caught up, Unvote
Vote: Thomas

Thomas = most obvious scum.

BTW, I would elaborate on this, but I g2g.

That's L-1 again I think.

Vote: Kooler

for lurking then bandwagoning. Also for not noting that it was L-1, he just seemed to charge in there and I wonder whether he is trying to get Thomas lynched without appearing to put him in a dangerous position. Basically as mafia he could be eager to get Thomas near lynching point.


This tells us NOTHING. Kooler = Worst arguments! =/= Necessarily Scum

but Kooler + Lurking + Band wagons + flawed arguments ~=~ Possible Scum

Actually I mean I just wont have much time to do any huge posts until tommorrow in mafia, but then I'll be able to be more active here.

Kooler what did everyone tell you about giving reasons for your vote!

I guess I'll just stop hiding now.

Kooler, you are very suspicious right now. I doubt you read the posts clearly and just skimmed them, then decided to bandwagon and vote Thomas due to his aggressive behaviour, then ignore everything else. Also, you are giving horribly weak arguments and very little reasons at all. You need to post longer reasons!

Thomas is L-1 now (is he? I don't know what he is, could someone clear this up, please?)

Also,

I find this rather offensive. I admit that my thoughts were bad and somewhat poorly worded, but you don't need to shove it in my face like this.

Whoops, forgot.

FoS: Kooler

Vote Count
- 2.4

Votes:

5 - Thomas (Silver, Isa, soccerboy, jellsprout, Kooler) [L-1]
1 - Shavey Dave (Yaya)
1 - soccerboy (Thomas)
1 - Kooler (Harumbai)

3 - Not Voting (Yuggy, snipereborn, Shavey Dave)

FoS:

4 - Silver (Kooler, Yuggy, jellsprout, snipereborn)
3 - Kooler (Yuggy, Shavey Dave, Silver)
2 - Shavey Dave (Yuggy, snipereborn)
2 - Thomas (Kooler, Yaya)
1 - Yuggy (Yaya)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: January 26, 2012, 11:59PM Interguild Time.

Again, you need need need to explain your vote more. I already have my eyes on you and have you FoS'd so and don't want to vote you ATM but my eyes are peeled for scum. I do have a dislike to your playing. 1. Don't contribute ---> 2. See who others are voting ---> 3. vote them (bandwagon) with no (or practically none) information on why.

Okay folks, deadline is in less than 48 hours, Thomas is at L-1 and Snipereborn has stated his intention to hammer (a last-minute wagon on Kooler - because yes, that vote sucked - or Shavey Dave is sounding like an interesting alternative though).

I think that Thomas should claim. Discuss.