Ordinarily, you should start by giving your own reads.

Anyways, biggest scum read so far on shos. Really, what kind of scientist are you? "I've never seen it, so it must be impossible."

Slight scum read on soccer for low information yield.

Slight scum read on thomas, same reason. He's just louder about it.

Either null or slight town on everyone else.

I'm beginning to agree with whoever said Soccerboy's posting style is annoying. Capitalization/proper spacing much?

I don't really have any solid suspicions at the moment, though. I think Jell's a little suspicious, but that just probably because he called me obv. scum. Yuggy's been playing on the sidelines for most of this game, but that's nothing to pounce on. Harumbai's been even more passively-active, but the posts he makes are usually lengthy. Also, despite it's impracticality, I guess there is a chance Shos has that role and is scum, like someone said before; if most people hadn't accepted Shos' claim, he'd seem really scummy. Let's hope Jorster graces us with his input relatively soon.

are you trying to make me consider me being scum here.?
I'm trying to show YOU why I am not scum, if nobody has ever seen such a thing, and only MS wiki says that it might happen, think whatever you want.

I'm definitely convinced there's more of a chance of you being town than scum though. I acknowledge that you could be scum, but it still seems a lot more unlikely.

I dunno, as I said, having an unlynchable scum is waaaay too overpowered. you understand that without a vig it's game over? you can have a doc, a cop, a JK, a tracker, a watcher, whatever you want - you name it. as long as it cannot literally shoot a person - it's game over for town as quickly as game begins. it's a question of do scum kill the vig before vig kills that unlynchable? and since scum know who they are, and probably have a rolecop or some other scum PR, that is just a really really bad setup by the mod.

In other words, this is not the case. *is not scum*

The other possibility is that there are several killing roles, perhaps an indie, or perhaps the vig is also bulletproof, or any number of other ways of preserving balance. I don't like this Information over Analysis one bit. But I don't think we should talk about shos, since there's nothing we can do about it right now.

So the question I'll put to the group is: Who isn't talking and why not? Moreover, who's talking, but not saying anything?

It's an interesting idea about soccerboy intentionally typing like that, so I looked through some pages in the random chat for a while, and he didn't appear to speak much differently there.

Oh wait, I'm being called upon to give scum reads?

My guy feeling is that sniper is town and that shos is something that needs to be lynched.
After that, I don't really know. I feel like Thomas was aggressive early, but has been much more calm recently, but I'm not sure what that means. Shavey and Yuggy are both kind of under the radar and really haven't put themselves into the forefront of conversations (you too, jell), but Yuggy hasn't been laying too low. Rocketguy looked scummy in the single post he had. Jazz still hasn't really put himself out there yet, and Harumbai has managed to put himself out there yet still remain under the radar. Yaya's been on the radar for a while for silly reasons, but he has made long defenses against attacks that didn't really call for them, so I dunno. Oh, and soccerboy has been laying pretty low.

Mafia generally try to stay active to avoid the "you're being inactive *lynch*" possibility, so these people are on my list:

Yaya
Harumbai
Shos
Quirvy
Snipereborn
Yuggy
Shavey
Thomas

And additionally, rocketguy hasn't been on enough for his partner to be able to successfully prod him to speak, and Jazz is known for acting independently of the interests of his alignment, so:

Jazz
rocket/jorster

That leaves soccerboy and jellsprout as the two people I most thoroughly believe are town. Although, if one of them turns out to be mafia, this is going to look really stupid.

Personally, I rule out myself, and sniper because of how quick he was to propose something that would give the mafia a disadvantage (killing shos), and shos since we can't lynch him, and to me, optimally of these guys should be lynched tonight:

Yaya
Harumbai
Yuggy
Shavey
Thomas
Jazz
rocket/jorster



I said that snipereborn was too sure that shos needed to die, but shos is too sure that he needs to live. If he was truly town, he would be stuck between wanting to live and play on, and wanting to get rid of himself to help the town. But instead he wants to live very badly, and he wants to try and convince people that killing someone who can't vote but adds a vote requires is a bad thing. And personally, I wouldn't even mind dying that much if it meant that the town gets better as a result; the graveyard always looks entertaining when I read them, and as long as the town wins, I'd win too.

I'll restate the reason why we should lynch shos:

And now, shos, you state the argument for why someone shouldn't night kill for the reasons stated.

@Quirvy
We can't lynch shos.

Did I ever say that we should lynch him?

oh whoops, that was a typo, that was meant to be "why someone should night kill shos"

Yeah, I was about say "Um, yes? Twice? Just now?"

Shos can talk about that if he wants, but we ought to redirect the conversation for the sake of time and purpose. I suggest this because we are 9 pages in, most of it about a guy that we can't do anything about. We need to focus on lynch targets and hope that any nonscum nk's do something smart.

I'd like to hear a bit from jazz. Given how little you're helping, why shouldn't we lynch you?

lol Q, your post is ridiculous. you just named more than half the people in the game and said they should be lynche -_-
personally, I think that with the activity level of this game, we eally can't do anything.

Harumbai
Jell
Yuggy
Jorster
Jazz
Shavey

have all been lurking/actively lurking. that ain't gonna work.

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about NKing me, I'll answer to you after I go eat

sniper was too sure that shos needed to die - I agree. and moreover; he said that any townie with kill ability should kill me ASAP. scum would love that, wasting a dayvig's shot and shutting me up real quick. no, he did not say that I should be killed at night; he said ASAP.

I am too sure that I need to live - of course, you don't know my role. I may be just alittle more useful in day 3 and later may, tho. I'll need certain stuff to happen, and of course, to live. till day 3 I definitely will be bad for town, but then again, any player not voting and causing a NL, including scum of course, will have to have good explanations and reasoning for not voting. that would negate your '7nonmafia voters' sentence.

so great, now you know that I'm not a total stump. you should probably have seen it coming since well, what interguild related thing resembles a stump?

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My current suspects are Sniper for reasons I've already mentioned, and Quirvy for, as someone mentioned, "talking without saying anything". but that one's weaker.

Well now you'll probably be NK'd before Day 3, lol.

yes, but at least that'll be a waste of mafia kill and not town.

I wanted to post earlier, but Quirvy's avatar distracted me, so I went to Random Chat instead to find out what was going on and forgot about this.



I don't think I ever called you obv scum. I think you might be confused by my post on page 7, where I was questioning why some people such as Thomas were so quick to jump on you for defending Soccerboy. I was simply explaining that I was confused because these people thought you were so obviously scum while I didn't think so at all.

A deeper analysis of the players is coming up. I don't think we can really conclude anything at this point, but it could boost activity and suspicions.

Currently I'm waiting for Jorster, I'd like to at least get a read on him/that role.

Yeah, but until then he's kinda a hinderence as has been mentioned, so if they were going to, they'd wait until night 2. Also if there is a doctor we could protect him, so if we chose to believe that he will become useful, we could keep him alive.

Also Jazz, get contributing!

Oh. Looking back I see you were just narrating what went down. My bad, nevermind then; you're as innocent as everyone else.

1. Shavey Dave: Very slight town read. He appears to be trying to hunt, but isn't very successful. Jumping on the Yaya wagon is also scummy, but from what I remember this is how SD usually plays.

2. Yuggy: Slight scum read. Yuggy hasn't been posting much, so it is hard to tell, but I find his contribution in the Yaya wagon to be a bit odd.

3. Shos: Null read. I don't trust Shos, but he has also played oddly in previous games. So I'm not really sure. Either way, we can't lynch him, so it doesn't really matter at this point. I was wondering if perhaps his no-lynch ability is single-use, but seeing how his ability is making him the primary NK target and he doesn't try to claim it as a single-use ability makes this unlikely. I suppose we will find out in the morning if he is Town or scum.

4. Quirvy: Null read. He's the most active scum hunter at the moment, but there is one post in particular that irks me:

Now, Quirvy is known for his sarcastic posts, but not when they are never as random as this. It seems to me Quirvy is trying to pretend to be himself.

6. Sniper: Town read. He appears to be playing most pro-Town out of anyone at the moment. He is active, makes solid contributions and hasn't really done anything yet to slip up.

7. Yaya: Slight Town read. Yaya's been acting pretty normal in my opinion. His only "slip" of defending Soccerboy was in my opinion more an attack on Thomas and his lousy reasoning than an actual defense for Soccerboy. I think this shows him more as Town than scum. He is willing to risk his own image to protect someone who he thinks is being wrongly attacked. If he were scum he would just have let the entire thing happen or even hop on the bandwagon.

8. Soccerboy: Slight scum read. He seems to have pulled himself together again, but his behavior on page 3 and 4 was very odd in my opinion. It might be related to his role, but at the moment Soccerboy is my primary suspect.

9. Thomas: Null read. Thomas is playing as he always does. Attacks without any real content. Which is annoying, because that means I have no idea if he is scum or not. For any other person I would perceive it as scum behavior, but for Thomas it is normal.

10. Jellsprout: Obvious scum, lynch as soon as possible.

11. rocket guy2 Jorster: Null read. So far Rocket Guy has made two posts. Neither of these contributed anything to the game. In fact, one of these was a mixture OMGUS/bandwagon vote. But we know from previous games that RG plays terrible, so I can't really conclude anything from it. Step up Jorster.

12. Harumbai. Town read. Harumbai isn't really that active this game, but the few posts he makes seem to be normal. I might be biased here because I agree with almost everything he says, but for me that is just more reason to believe he is Town.


If I had to guess right now, I would say our Mafia team is Yuggy, Shos and Soccerboy and that Quirvy is an Independent.

I'll post my opinions when I get home and have an actual keyboard, not a touch screen.

Jell, please make clearer why you think I am scum.

Yes shos, that's exactly what I was trying to get through with my post. We should lynch Yaya, Harumbai, Yuggy, Shavey, Thomas, Jazz, jorster, and then just for good measure someone should night kill you, too.

I'll give you a little bit of slack because I did make a typo there, and it should have read "optimally one of these guys should be lynched tonight:" but even so that's clearly not a proper sentence, and based on your interpretation, shouldn't I be proposing we lynch 7 people at once, since I said "tonight" at the end?

Obviously not all of them are scum, in fact most of them aren't, I'm simply narrowing down the list of people that I'm fine with us lynching tonight, but anyone not on the list I would (currently) disagree with lynching. And, no, I'm not simply saying "you guys can just choose from this list of who you want to kill and I'll be OK with that", I'm saying that these are the people I'm still looking at as a possible lynch victim.

I mean, did you seriously think I that I wanted 7 people lynched? Really?

Let the record reflect, that I only want to lynch one of those 7 people I have previously listed.

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NOW THEN. Onto more serious matters.

As sniper has already pointed out, at least if a vigilante used a shot on you, he'd know what he's killing, whereas if he's just going on his instincts and kills someone else, he could just end up killing an innocent townie. One who can vote. Chances are that the vigilante (if there is one) won't at any point in the game be sure that some person is scum.

Additionally, my worry isn't a no lynch - my worry is a mislynch. If there are 7 people left who can vote, 2 mafia, 5 town, and then there's you, we need 5 votes for a lynch, which means that all 5 town members need to be on the same page. If just one of those 5 voting town members thinks that one of the mafia guys is innocent, then the day will likely end in a mislynch. However, if you're out of the picture, then they only need 4 votes to lynch, and one of the town members can be in disagreement over who to lynch, and they can still pull off a successful lynch.

As a last note in addressing your post, you seeing scum in sniper and me seems to be a bit of an OMGUS reaction as you mafia folk would say. Is it just a coincidence that the two people who have been most attacking your behavior are the two people you think are suspicious?


@Jell: You may or may not have figured this out, but that post was mostly a response to this post by Isa:


@shos: he didn't say that he thought you were scum, he said that you were a null read. He simply said that if he had to guess, that he would guess that you were with the mafia.

I'm getting a scum read on Thomas. He's playing very aggressive, and seems to be making assumptions about other players.

saying 'I want to lynch one of these seven' is exactly what I talked about. this is completely useless.

about the next part - you are way too naive; if a townie thinks A is not scum, and A is at L-1 and he is being pressurrized to hammer since it's near deadline, he probably would hammer instead of letting a NL go. also, you are being naive in thinking that scum won't vote for scum.

me thinking sniper is scum is not OMGUS.
so what if he knows what he's killing? he knows he is killing a townie. so he KNOWS he is not killing scum. he KNOWS he is wasting one of his shots(if there are more than one) on a townie.
and chances are that vig won't be sure of a scum? you are being naive again if you think that vigs only shoot people who they are SURE are scum.

could you please elaborate on this? like is there something specific that's worse or what?

sorry about my posting style. I'm not very good at typing, but I guess I'll try to capitalize and not hit the enter key so much. I have possibly the lowest typing speed at my entire school. I type a total of about 15-20 words per minute...
unrelated to the game, but anyone know of good typing programs to help me with this?

anyways, I believe that shos and jorster are town. Shos' role being the main reason for him, I believe that isa knows that not everyone here is the best at mafia, and woudn't make the game advanced enough where we need to win on d1/2. not the best reasoning, but i think that rocketguy really would have made a ton of mistakes if he was mafia.

i can't get very good reads yet, as i don't have too much experience with this game...

also, if there is an action that i question, is the person in question allowed to answer if their role forced them to do something?



^thomas always plays like this. you'll have to get used to it, but i believe that thomas is town.