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snipereborn
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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 1:39 pm EST
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lol.
FoS: Jorster
Could you clarify? Jell's scumhunting, so he must die?
And this after yaya got grilled on defending soccerboy.

That being said, I still want shos and jell to stop talking about shos for the same reasons as last time. How about we talk about jorster now? I felt that his latest post seemed pretty scumy because I don't think any townie would defend shos at this point. If shos is mafia, then other mafia members might defend him for the obvious reason. If shos is town, then the mafia would defend him so that when he flips town, they can act outraged and claim town cred. I can understand not attacking shos, but defending him seems weird.


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'snipereborn' said:
  If shos is mafia, then other mafia members might defend him for the obvious reason. If shos is town, then the mafia would defend him so that when he flips town, they can act outraged and claim town cred. I can understand not attacking shos, but defending him seems weird.
that is totally WIFOM, and with that said, I can definitely say that I can't see why a townie would attack shos. reasons I've already given, but you're all autodisregarding that with mafiascum's wiki.


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I was defending shos because Jell was accusing him of being scum with no feasible evidence. I'll elaborate when I get home and have a computer.


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That's not WIFOM shos. There's no looping logic. There are two cases: you are mafia, or you are not. Either way, the only people with an interest in defending you is the mafia. Town does not.


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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 5:22 pm EST
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'snipereborn' said:
That's not WIFOM shos. There's no looping logic. There are two cases: you are mafia, or you are not. Either way, the only people with an interest in defending you is the mafia. Town does not.
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I'm not sure why everyone seems to ignore the fact that I am only a TEMPORARY stump.


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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 5:23 pm EST
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Vote Count 1.9 (unchanged)
soccerboy13542 (3) - Snipereborn, Yuggy, Thomas
Thomas (1) - Jorster
Yuggy (1) - Harumbai
Jorster (1) - Jellsprout

Not voting (6) - soccerboy13542, Yaya, Shos, Jazz, Quirvy, Shavey Dave

With 12 alive, it's 7 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 14, 06:00 Interguild Standard Time.
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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 5:47 pm EST
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'shos' said:
'snipereborn' said:
That's not WIFOM shos. There's no looping logic. There are two cases: you are mafia, or you are not. Either way, the only people with an interest in defending you is the mafia. Town does not.
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I'm not sure why everyone seems to ignore the fact that I am only a TEMPORARY stump.

This is why I've been defending Shos. He'll probably be useful later on


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Ok, time to elaborate. My reasoning behind defending Shos is because he is only a temporary stump, a fact which most of you seem to be missing. If he is only temporary, then when he "Evolves" then he will be useful to the town. Also, Jell repeatedly "forgets" that Shos is only temporarily useless. Therefore I have my reasons to believe that Jell is scum.
Vote:Jellsprout


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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 7:08 pm EST
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If I could vote, I'd probably vote him too, although now I kinda have reasons to vote soccerboy as well, which I will not say.

I'd also bet that mafia ARE going to kill me tonight either way, btw.


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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 7:10 pm EST
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He just seems very suspicious IMO


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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 7:36 pm EST
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His play style seems worse than last game. Probably because he is scum.


could you please elaborate on this? like is there something specific that's worse or what?
More specifically last game you were mostly more active, and contributed more. You were much more involved in the game. The reason you might not be this time is because you're mafia trying to play it safe.


Sniper says that I was involved in the yaya conspiracy but wasn't talking and that I have not talked enough.

Thomas is saying I am playing the same as Game 1.

^ Currently, I'm trying to figure out what's different. In the last game Thomas completely nailed me for being inactive. I'm posting more in this game than last one, but still am being accused for lack of activity. I guess I'll just have to make a ton of random, short posts that add no help to the game because obviously, that is considered activity.

shos: town. a stump mafia that's unlockable after d3. way too overpowered. shos could be lying about the unlock if he's really mafia, but i'm curious. we should wait until d3. someone votes, and if he's unlocked and nothing happens, it might be best to daykill. i don't think isa would make a stump; the point of interguild related mafia was too make it interesting, and i don't believe a stump is all that interesting.
yaya: slight town. it was a risk defending me at the beginning, but mafia don't take day 1 risks from what i've seen...
jorster: null. but i'm leaning towards town.
jazz: null. he's posted about as much as me... possibly less.
quirvy: null. i have nothing for or against him.
yuggy: null. really have nothing against him. i've seen him so far... comment about how quiet i am, say that quirvy seems off on playing style, and tell jazz to contribute. he has done more than me, but imo he hasn't been the best contributor.
Shavey: null, nothing about him seems memorable from what he's posted. he could be just not saying anything of dire importance or he's flying under the radar.
thomas: town. aggressive as always, right off the bat. i see nothing wrong with it as of now, since generally he's right. in one of the previous games, he basically led the town to victory. without him, not sure how much will get done later on.
harumbai: possibly scum. reasoning is not the best here, but i think he's been invisible to everyone. it seems every game, and even out of the game, he's too nice. no one suspects him. how could you with his profile picture? he's just... too nice? if that's a decent way of putting it.
sniper: town. i have no idea what to think about him. the whole alien toast monster and peanut butter and jelly thing... just wow xD i still believe that that's part of his role: Captain Oblivious. whether or not role assigning is random, 3 random posts will not fit a mafia style.
jellsprout: maybe the independent? you don't seem mafia, but you don't seem town. you seem over eager to find a scum team which makes me not think you're town, but you don't seem suspicious enough to be mafia. i also don't know what to think of of your mod edit. i'm curious if you've edited any other posts. it doesn't seem like you, but just the power to change a post to something heavily incriminating seems odd. i guess that's with all mods, but you changing the vote count just triggers that thought i guess.

i guess any of the null could be mafia too, but i'm fairly confident about harumbai. feel free to shoot me down i guess :/

-~-~-~-~-~-~-

on an unrelated note, i will be leaving for europe on June 18th.
if i am still alive by then, i'll need a replacement. I will be getting back on July... 5th I believe.
if the replacement is still alive by then, would it be possible to take over again?
i'm not sure how long this game will last.

-~-~-~-~-~-~-

ninja'd by shos. any reason why?
jorster: "he seems very suspicious"

again, any reason why?


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You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Jorster
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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 7:41 pm EST
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He's trying to get rid of Shos who can help the town later in the game. That is a scummy trait IMO


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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 7:43 pm EST
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post edit: misread that. the ninja'd page only showed up to shos' post and i didn't realize you were talking about jell.


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You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Isa
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i also don't know what to think of of your mod edit. i'm curious if you've edited any other posts. it doesn't seem like you, but just the power to change a post to something heavily incriminating seems odd. i guess that's with all mods, but you changing the vote count just triggers that thought i guess.

I edited Jellsprout's post using the explicitly stated mod-only (mod referring to the moderator of the game) color #339966. If Jellsprout had put that in, I'd either modkill him or warn him, depending on offense of the individual post.

So, for clarification: All lines made with this color are written by me.
soccerboy13542
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Wednesday, June 6 2012, 8:12 pm EST
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Thank you for the clarification, Isa. I thought the /mod part was referring to ig moderator. Totally disregard what i posted about Jell then.


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You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Jorster
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According to the wiki, stump is typically pro-town. Which is why I find it suspicious that Jell is so anxious to get rid of Shos.


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Gack, stop using terms that I don't know about!
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Stump=player who can post, but not vote or be lynched.
Shos is a temporary stump until he "evolves"


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Thursday, June 7 2012, 12:06 am EST
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Forgot to unvote Thomas
UnVote
Vote: Jellsprout


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Thursday, June 7 2012, 12:24 am EST
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'jellsprout' said:
I was simply going down the list in the second post and for completeness left myself in.
This doesn't explain why you called yourself "obvious scum." I'd call it WIFOM. Noted. I have no comments on your suspicious persons list. I would rather the inactive people posted them.

'shos' said:
I'd also bet that mafia ARE going to kill me tonight either way, btw.
THIS is WIFOM. I don't get how whatever snipereborn said was WIFOM.

'Jorster' said:
This is why I've been defending Shos. He'll probably be useful later on
Why did you not say this earlier or at the time? It doesn't look like you did consider that shos was a stump for only a certain period of time. "Wait Shos is is only temporarily useless?" makes it appear that you were surprised by this so I won't believe you on that defending reason for a second. Either way I don't see any posts by you in the past where you mentioned thinking shos may only has his role temporarily.

'soccerboy13542' said:
yaya: slight town. it was a risk defending me at the beginning, but mafia don't take day 1 risks from what i've seen...
What about if mafia is defending mafia?

'soccerboy13542' said:
harumbai: possibly scum. reasoning is not the best here, but i think he's been invisible to everyone. it seems every game, and even out of the game, he's too nice. no one suspects him. how could you with his profile picture? he's just... too nice? if that's a decent way of putting it.
In the last game I had a strong town read on Harumbai which led me to protecting him when he was the cop. He's not contributing as much in this game so I guess I have a null-slight scum read on him.

'Jorster' said:
According to the wiki, stump is typically pro-town. Which is why I find it suspicious that Jell is so anxious to get rid of Shos.
Where does it say that?
soccerboy13542
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'Thomas' said:

'soccerboy13542' said:
yaya: slight town. it was a risk defending me at the beginning, but mafia don't take day 1 risks from what i've seen...
What about if mafia is defending mafia?


What if lol. What if Yaya if mafia, so in case he gets lynched, the next daykill is on me, so we mislynch. That would ultimately lead to them winning.

There are lots of "what ifs"...

-~-~-

regarding Harumbai, i guess it's just sort of don't get buddy-buddy with anyone.
you really can trust no one


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You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
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Thursday, June 7 2012, 12:49 am EST
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'Thomas' said:
'Jorster' said:
According to the wiki, stump is typically pro-town. Which is why I find it suspicious that Jell is so anxious to get rid of Shos.
Where does it say that?

'MafiaScumWiki' said:
The ability to turn oneself into a Tree Stump is generally given to pro-Town players


soccerboy13542
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'MafiaScumWiki' said:
The ability to turn oneself into a Tree Stump is generally given to pro-Town players


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
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I'm assuming Shos role is he can turn himself into a stump at any time in order to get better power later on, and he chose to do it right away, therefore making him most likely pro-town


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'soccerboy13542' said:
jellsprout: (...) you seem over eager to find a scum team which makes me not think you're town,


I am confused by this. I thought the entire purpose of Town was to find the scum. How is it anti-Town to try finding the scum team?


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