Ok. IMO soccer is the most scummy. As Yuggy mentioned he seems less active then last game. This probably because, like he said, he is mafia and is afraid to contribute because he dosen't want do do anything that looks scummy. This is exactly how I felt as the independent last game. I didn't post anything until page three and even then all I said was sorry for not posting. I'm busy. I can't see any other players as scummy as soccer. Due to this I think he deserves my vote. I've Waited since this post:



and now I've decide I should vote him and not just leave my FoS on him. Vote: soccerboy13452

Two problems:

1) He didn't post in the thread that he wanted to become a stump like the wiki said one must do in order to become a stump.
2) The stump role is for any alignment:

I don't think Jell is that suspicious, your reasoning soccer, is that Jell isn't town because he is hunting scum. Can you explain why that is in any way scummy?

Harumbi does seem quite a lot less involved than last time, and has almost been flying under the radar. I feel that Shavey and Jorster are also off radar. One plus for Harumbi is that when he has posted it has been quite long and logical, whereas Shavey and Jorster are posting more, but just with no real content.

And a third problem,
Also third problem Jorster:Here he says he does not gain anything.

Whoops, ignore the double 'third problem'

Okay soccerboy13542 is at L-3.

Yuggy, do you have reads on Quirvy or Shavey Dave now? Last I heard you were not sure about them.

Quirvy is veering more towards slight town now, and Shavey is probably veering more the other way, but then, last time he was town he played similarly to this, so he could be town again.

Vote Count 1.10
soccerboy13542 (4) - Snipereborn, Yuggy, Thomas, Shavey Dave
Yuggy (1) - Harumbai
Jorster (1) - Jellsprout
Jellsprout (1) - Jorster

Not voting (5) - soccerboy13542, Yaya, Shos, Jazz, Quirvy

With 12 alive, it's 7 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 14, 06:00 Interguild Standard Time.

I can see where jorster's thinking came from, since the mod declared me stump pnly partway into the game. but no, he is indeed wrong.

Thomas, what is wifom in what I said.? that wasn't even a statement relevant to anyone, it's not like there's any point directed to anyone there O_o

I think shavey's actually more scummy than soccerboy.

That's something called university. I only come on at night when I've finished my work for the day and then some nights I don't get time.

Jorster is seeming very scummy to me. Him saying why don't people remember that Shos is only temporarily a stump was because I sure as hell don't remember shos mentioning it. Since now that has been revealed I take back what I said about Shos needing to die. I was completely with Jell in that Shos was useless to the town. Why Shos should reveal the part of his role that makes him out to be useless rather than stating that he will be useful and not expect to be suggested to be not very pro-town (in his role) I don't know.

Joster also just seems to be making up information about shos' role as assumptions and charging at Jell with them. His posts seem largely fiction meant to be pulled off as truth, by which I mean that his guesses are given more weight in the way he phrases them than they should. Something about the things he has said seem of.

Unvote
Vote: Jorster

FoS: Harumbai
that post was really bad imo;
firstly, university is a piece of cake, die scum die     ( /sarcasm..for those who don't get it lately, *ahemthomasquirvy*)
secondly, I really don't know what to think about you guys, because I clearly stated that and even more than once, not to much ago, I don't see why you guys are having so much trouble with remembering it. that's a bad point on your place, not on jorster's.

why should I reveal the part of my role that makes me appear useless and not pro-town? are you kidding me? have you read this game? THAT WAS MOD CONFIRMED, it wasn't me who said that!
and obviously I did not claim until I saw the need to do that. it's like asking why you haven't claimed yet.

about jorster - he did not make up anything as far as I can see. he said he ASSUMED something, which as I said, I can see why he thought so, despite being wrong. and that was the only case that fits, just one post(correct me if I missed something of course).

@Harumbai - When did I make something up? Even if Shos doesn't gain power later on he is still able to vote for the town. Therefore wouldn't it be smart to keep him?

FoS: Jorster
He may just be playing bad, but he's been doing way to much assuming (when you assume... you know), he's going after Jell because Jorster thinks that Shos can only be town. That just seems a bit too trivial of a reason to lash out. I thought we were gonna start ignoring Shos' situation since we can't to anything about it.
FoS: Soccerboy
This is either a ridiculous statement or a really lame scum slip. If you're town, you're reading into things way too much if you begin to believe trying to find the scum is bad, IMO. Is there any other more acceptable reasons for why you don't think Jellsprout is town (this is a serious question)?

Also, I can't deny that soccer is scummy, as is shavey.
@Yaya - Like Shos said, I had reasoning behind my assumption, as the Mod posted that he was a stump partway into the thread.

I voted for Jell....

I'm not so sure I believe this. It feels to me like shos fed you that line and you just latched on.
Currently, I'm voting soccer, but I feel like his playstyle is too similar to last game, so I think jorster is a better vote.
Unvote
Vote: Jorster
You seem way, way too sure that shos is town. I don't know what he is, and it doesn't seem like there is any way to know. Maybe if this way D-2, I might think you had an info role, but you seem to just magically "know".
When I first put pressure on you, I didn't really expect it to go anywhere, given how weak the pressure really was. But It seems awkward that you can be so sure that you're right. Even if this is your first game, the idea of not knowing anything should be heavy on your mind, but you're not acting that way.

I have to say that this part is really way too convenient. I said that I could see where it might be coming from, but you just sheeped me 150%. I dunno, from an objective POV, this is too convenient.

I was using you as an example as to why I thought that. I didn't just sheep you, I used it as an example.

Exept that was your only reason given...

@Yuggy It was the only valid example  

@yaya, the only real concern was the mod edit which was explained by isa. i have nothing to say about jell.

Two things are bothering me:
1. Jorster going out of his way to defend shos like he has
2. Shos waiting as long as he did to reveal that he was only a temporary stump, and how he revealed it. First it was that he was a stump and that he was probably going to last to the end of the game because of it. Then it was that his role was going to become more powerful on day 3, and then he finally reveals that he's apparently a temporary stump.

And I guess as a third thing that we're still discussing shos even though most of us (myself included) agree that we shouldn't.

Normally there's nothing wrong with defending somebody, but there is no point in defending Shos until he evolves because something can only happen to him at night.

But he's defending him too much, and he's not doing a very good job of it, IMO

That's what I'm saying; even defending him a little is pretty pointless for now.

Ok whatever IMO, Soccer is pretty scummy, and since no one seems to be going along with my Jell idea,
Unvote
Vote:Soccerboy13542