In that game I was a bulletproof mafia.

More specifically last game you were mostly more active, and contributed more. You were much more involved in the game. The reason you might not be this time is because you're mafia trying to play it safe.

I disagree with you. I think it would actually be better to NK shos. Although I don't want to be the one who is responsible for the death of a townie. Well if shos is town. Anyone else got something to say? I guess we could just leave it. It would be risky NKing him.

Do you think what he's doing is keeping him safe?

Not particularly, but I've been scum more times here than I've been town (or equal) and I know that when you are scum you can find it hard to contribute as you are worried about being found out.

I did that here. Nothing much has changed really. I'd still say Yaya is just commenting on stuff and keeping a low-profile. Soccerboy is really bad and at this time I would vote to lynch him and jellsprout is keeping a low profile as well. Jell is pretty obvious when he's scum... also Jazz is bad with activity and rocketguy was as well but I didn't expect much from either of them, anyway.

Why did you feel the need to put this in your post? You should know from how I reacted to Quirvy earlier on that nothing is this thread is a joke.

Actually I believe Isa generated people's alignments at random and then created the roles and setup from there based on the IG-related stuff the user sent in his/her PM.

Anyway you guys should stop talking to shos about if he should be killed. He's either scum or he's town and doesn't want to be killed early in the game despite having an anti-town role and in that case he does not want he's best for the town because he wants to stay alive with this anti-town role which could have a bad effect on the town. Focus on finding scum and shos should probably help as well because he says he's town so he should want to lynch scum. Right now he's got this big argument going on that doesn't help find scum and just wastes time; it's kind of common sense that shos should die in this situation.

I know soccerboy13542 played just like that in the first game when he was scum (CSD's game). He was lynched on D4 I believe and he never really said much. Yeah, I'd bet on him being scum. I haven't really checked his activity in CSD's mafia game for D1-D3 but I'm pretty sure he's been better with posting in games where he flipped town.

I don't know who I'm voting and it may already be soccerboy13542, but,
Unvote, Vote: soccerboy13542

there is nothing to my scumread about you except that ASAP. you only 'indicated' what you 'thought' after I pointd out that scumslip. oh you didn't think about a daykill? so what you're saying is trust me?

?????
what are you talking about..?
I have not roleclaimed, have not given any hint. what bs..? what do you want me to 'just say'?[qu
you are too acting naive. vigs don't only kill confirmed scum! yes, the probability exists, but that is why vig does not HAVE to use their one-shot, and they can take time to decide who they want to shoot, if anyone.

Ok, I think I'm being stupid here. I probably should har done this a long time ago: Unvote

Yaya has coped well under votes (for a long time) and IMOis probably not scum. Soccer however...

FoS: soccerboy13542

I can expand later but right now I have to dash.

Vote Count 1.8
soccerboy13542 (3) - Snipereborn, Yuggy, Thomas
Thomas (1) - Jorster
Yuggy (1) - Harumbai
Jorster (1) - Jellsprout

Not voting (6) - soccerboy13542, Yaya, Shos, Jazz, Quirvy, Shavey Dave

With 12 alive, it's 7 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 14, 06:00 Interguild Standard Time.

Mod note:
I am going to go on a vacation, starting tomorrow (Thursday). I'll be back in town at Sunday. I may or may not make vote counts during this time, it depends on multiple things. We'll see.

I was simply going down the list in the second post and for completeness left myself in. I didn't think anyone would give it too much attention, especially not with the other 11 reads I gave. Speaking of which, is there nothing there you would like to comment on? Is there nothing anyone would like to comment on? Only Shos and Quirvy have commented, but only on the reads on themselves. There must be something in that post anyone of you would like to comment on?

Eitherway, Shos. I find your rolefishing early in the day to be very suspicious. I also find it very scummy how you go "Look guys, I'm obviously Town. This is confirmed because I just said so." In fact, I don't think you've actually tried to find scum, all you've done so far is tell people how obviously Town you are. That is not Town behavior.

Quirvy. That post still isn't something I would expect from you. As I said before, it seems like you are pretending to be yourself, something only scum would try to do.

Also for clarification:

Unvote
Vote: Jorster
Edited the above vote count with this. /mod

You have not cleared yourself from my suspicions. In fact, you are just becoming more suspicious. Your arguments are not very good. Take this for example:



If Shos actually is Town, then why does he have a large chance to get far in the game (if we don't NK him)? It is because he is so useless for the Town, it is beneficial for the Mafia to leave him alive and instead focus on targets that can actually harm them. All Shos does is reducing the amount of votes the Town gets, while keeping the votes needed for a lynch high. As long as he is alive, it is much more difficult for the Town to lynch scum.
Keeping Shos alive too long will actually lower the chances of Town winning. If the Town controls only 50%+1 of the votes while Shos is still alive, then it becomes impossible to lynch scum and they win. But if we had lynched Shos before then, then it is still possible for Town to win.
And that is assuming Shos actually is Town. If no better targets show up before the end of the day, Shos should definitely be NK'd.

I really don't understand how you guys all turn on me so hard.
how would you have reacted if all of a sudden you become completely transparent- everyone can see you, your role is exposed and modconfirmed all of a sudden, and everyone wants to kill you, not knowing that your role isn't actually that bad to town, if I stay alive till day 3.?

Now, what the hell are you talking about me rolefishing.?
and do you STILL want to have me NK'd even though I practically told you 99% of the info about my role, which is NOT bad for town?

Shos must die by night kill as soon as possible. As I was reading through 3 pages trying to catch up I was thinking exactly the same thing as Jellsprout just laid out. Shos is a shell of a townie, he cant actually be mafia IMO as an unlynchable mafia would be bonkers and stupid to reveal as it has opened up NK discussion. If this is his only role then he is an unvoting town which means a nobody. The Mafia are not going to NK a nobody so this leaves them free to go after power roles.

Yeah, basically what Jell said.

At the moment I'm thinking Shavey/Jorster based on posting style. This is mainly because they have quite a few short posts here and there and in my opinion it is easy to come on more frequently and say a one sentencer like;
"I think Thomas is changing his mind too often and this makes him scum" or anything of the same general simplicity, but these are quite surface reactions rather than being reasoned out.

Also Jorsters post defending Shos made me think they might be in league as mafia together until I realised that shos couldn't be mafia unless the game was completely unfair and so Jorster isn't quite so incriminated unless he planned to have this exact thought process happen which is unlikely, but possible I guess. Also the logic in that post seems off which makes me suspicious too.

And Shavey's post up the page unvotes at the beginning and then just Fos' further down. Why did he not vote for Soccer? Also what kind of an argument is... "Soccer However..."? Some explanation at all would be nice.

I see nothing very strange in your read post, so I didn't bother questioning any of it, Jell.

I'm not sure why everyone seems to ignore the fact that I am only a TEMPORARY stump.
'must die by NK ASAP'? don't want to let me vote?

It doesn't matter. If you aren't NK'd by a vig, then the mafia will kill you by D3. You at least gave off the impression that your evolved state (making shos sound like a Pokemon) is  somewhat useful, so why would they even bother waiting to see what it is? By your last sentence, do you mean you gain the ability to vote D3?

if there's an option to have mafia waste their kill on me instead of having vig do that, that's preferable, that's A. B would be, you can't even be sure that mafia will kill me, because I haven't full-claimed, and you don't know what my stage 1 pokemon will be. everyone in this game has powers, so killing me may not be optimal for mafia too. they don't know if it is, neither do I, since I have no idea what other town roles exist.

and I don't *gain* the ability, I *lose* my disability, lol. but then again, on day 3 you guys can lynch me as well.

Perhaps because you've never said that it was temporary. I even suggested the role might be temporary, yet you never responded to that.

@Jell - All I'm trying to say is that it seems better in my eyes to NK someone why we think has a large chance of being scum, than NK someone who can't really do anything bad against us, if he is even scum.

Wait Shos is is only temporarily useless? That seems like a better reason to keep him here.

If Shos is Mafia, he is just as dangerous than if he were allowed to vote. He would still get the night actions. And it is doubtful someone will make such a massive slip today that they are confirmed scum. If we NK anyone other than Shos, there is a very high chance it will be a Town.

there was no reason for me to almost-full-claim when you mentioned it 8 pages ago. however, I did say about it, it was talked about, in the last three pages. are you just skimming the thread now?
and of course you didn't bother to actually respond to the 'new' info you recieved.


why are you assuming 100% that we actually have a vig, and that we have to use it?
the same thing you said now can be said generally about lynching.

Reading over the past few pages, I see you have slightly mentioned that you might become more useful on D3, with heavy emphasis on the might part. That post started off as another "look guys, I'm totz not scum so don't kill me, k" post, so that's probably why I skipped over it. The fact that nobody ever brought the entire thing up ever again might be another reason.

So tell me Shos, why did you wait so long to bring out that information? Why not when you were the primary target for NKs? Why not when first bringing up your role? Would it really have hurt you so much to say you were merely temporarily unlynchable? At this point it merely seems like a cop-out, a last minute lie to get out of a certain NK.

wow you're being way too far fetched imo. I always put emphasis on the 'may' because I don't want to claim. what you guys are doing by pushing this thing more and more is just getting me to give you nore and more info about my role, just assuming that there actually is a vig over there.

anyway - why did I bring it out just now? well because at first I had to accomodate to the fact that the mod literally told everybody that I'm a stump. I had no reason to shout out my role and everything I can do. and I was not a primary target for NKs any more than I am now.

you guys are just pushing this again and again because it is comfortable for you to have all the focus on me. we still have time till deadline, but so far, if we ignore the shos discussion, the game is practically back to RVS. I'm pretty sure that there's at least one if not two scums in the people who push for me getting killed and shut up so quickly.

Jell seems to be very aggressive towards Shos, who I think is town. I have my suspicions that Jell is scum...
FoS:Jellsprout