I don't remember Bmwsu saying he was afraid of falsely accusing someone. You are comparing 2 different things in an attempt to make my accusations look bad. I don't see anywhere in the above quote where I said that I town aligned person would not say this so I can conclude that you are putting words in my mouth, again.

blaim? Had you actually read my last reply to Jazz you will see that I never implied that is was scummy. I simply thought it was strange how we said "we" when he didn't play in the first game and played extremely poorly in the second game. Again, you are putting words in my mouth.

But instead of lynching an inactive we can lynch scum (Yuggy) and the mafia will have less influence on the votes.

No, people are afraid to accuse staff members. That's why a staff member has never been lynched.

waoh, that really was an incredibly long post jell

I'm confused. jell's unvote and revote on shavey was reasoned well. as a mafia, one would not care at all who is lynched as long as he isn't mafia; so they'll jump on any bandwagon on any townie. however, yaya gave him a nice contra. Interesting.

FoS: Shavey

Thomas, I would like to see some better defenses against jell's worldwide-sized post. your post's just not enough, imo. also, we're not roleclaiming, we're just saying the name of our character. who knows, my wife could be mafia


ahh, was ninjad' by 3 posts. I'll get them later.

I see a jellspout contradiction:

If Soccerboy was obviously a double voter since day 1 then why did you FoS him here? This works well with my theory that mafia usually vote their partners in RVS and FoS townies.

Yuggy was not playing cautiously. THAT was a scum slip and because it was Jazz's post was not scummy because I NEVER SAID IT WAS. You are putting words in my mouth. Votes pressure a player. At L-1 you can ask for a role claim.

Unreliable. It can be a pro-town player as well.

Yuggy made a scum slip. You are twisting my words.

Shos said this:
and it looked like he was against it without any reasoning.

No, I believe you could be scum at the time of writing and I still do now.

Where did I accuse him or defend him? You misunderstood that I believe.

No, when you accuse mafia they will make more mistakes. Yuggy is a great example in this game. And posting suspicions is pro-town. You didn't do that.

CSD post something. It's been 12 pages since your last post.

Jellsprout I do not have enough time to respond to the rest of your accusations today so I will do so tomorrow.

Thomas, you didn't look like you had any hope left. I still don't think you do. But you actually seem somewhat calm.

Just pointing out - like 2/3 of this thread is Thomas.

Just pointing out - like 2/3 of this thread is Thomas.

I have to agree, I don't seem to even understand what you're saying in some of the 'defenses' against jell's posts.

anyways, I'm going for evening, be back in a few hours

CSD! Y U NO POST MOAR!?!?! It's making you look suspicious/lazy.

Back this up.

DBX has posted more than CSD... but contributed less.

Silver hasn't posted since this...

Six days since CSD posted... on mafiascum.net you would be replaced by now. JAZZ hasn't even been replaced yet.

We aren't Mafiascum.net, though. We don't have anybody to replace them. It's their fault if they die because of their inactivity or not being here to defend themselves.

It sucks that we have to attempt to lynch those players though because then it means less lynches on scummy players and more policy lynches.

Okay then mafiascum.net must have a lot of idiots? You are insulting the mafiascum.net community. RVS usually goes until a slip up so no, "semi-random" votes are not necessary. No you said "So here is what I think. You, Thomas and Soccerboy are Mafia. You haven't planned a strategy in the Mafia Board, so when you saw Thomas and Soccerboy attacking each other you were afraid that people jump on the bandwagon and lynch either one. You got scared and tried to convince people that at least on of them is Town and you too." and you never said you voted shos because he's new. You made a scum slip and shos did so too.

No, this is just how my aggressive play style works.

Back this up or it's not true. No, I have actually posted opinion and I am not Actively Lurking.

"Aggressive interrogation causes high stress in the interrogative and leads to incorrect confessions."
Back this up or it's not true. But no, in mafia, the aggressive play puts pressure on the mafia and everyone for that matter to release more information so by accusing Yuggy the pressure made him do MORE scum slips. So no, Yuggy is scum.
Well obviously town CAN lie if they want but no, they don't do it "all the time to" because lying leads to scum which leads to a lynch, right? Town lying about roles is really anti-town because let's say a vanilla townie is at L-1 and almost lynched so he does a role claim and he claims doctor. In an open setup you will know there would be only 1 doctor and in a closed setup you won't know if there's a doctor at all but the real doctor may need to role claim because someone else lied about their role and the real doc will be night killed. If you DON'T lie as town then that is some pro-town play right there.

That's just my aggressive play style.

"If you as a Town" is this suggesting you are scum and you know that I am town aligned? Why would you be terrible if you don't worry about getting lynched? Do you think it results in a reckless play style?

Thomas is PMing me requesting that I post. Plan successful! Mod-kill! Actually, once I was in a game where I was silenced and not allowed to post at all that day. When somebody who I was semi-suspicious of told me outside of the thread that I needed to "post more", I knew that they weren't mafia. So seriously, don't talk about the game outside of the thread, no matter how innocent it may seem.

I've been working my way through previous pages and finding things that I want to respond to. There was a post from Shos that deserved a reply that I've finished responding to, so I guess I can post that now while I finish reading back through the rest of the thread.

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Shos, back on page 3 you leveled a suspicion against me based on a few factors:

The first was that my post was rambling about some random interaction between Thomas and Soccerboy. The intention was not to bring undue focus to that particular aspect of the discussion, but rather to use it as an example for some theory about deciding whether the things people say feel genuine. To me, that's the most important thing to look for when trying to identify scum. It was mostly theory, which doesn't help in locating scum (at least directly), but, as a new player, I thought some theory might help in identifying scum. Most of us, actually, are still fairly new to this game. You say I'm trying to "distract" you but, it was page 3 of day 1. At this point there were people who were still random voting. The discussion has grown a lot since then. Were you distracted?

The second is because I was "trying to prevent [Thomas] from being lynched" by putting a 2nd vote on Yuggy. Again, it was page 3 of day 1, lol. I voted for Yuggy because FoS's are 99% useless (I only ever use them when I'm locked into a vote on somebody else) and I put the 2nd vote on Yuggy because I couldn't put the first one. Others seemed to agree that he was suspicious as well. The Thomas vote was made with the reasoning of "OMGUS", which was clearly made as part of RVS.

The third was because you were of the opinion that there were more suitable "weird vibes" (tm) than Yuggy to go off of. Well... like what? Up until that point you had voted for somebody and FoS'd several people, but up until you accused myself and Thomas, you hadn't provided much reasoning for doing for those Votes and FoS's. I'm not sure what else I can say except that Yuggy's posts were the scummiest that I had seen up until that point.

So you aren't unvoting Yuggy so you still think he's scum?

...s***. So why are you not posting and what about the many people who asked you in-thread to post? Well I can't really do much about the pm I sent you now but I first sent you a random spam pm and when you replied I knew you were actually online and doing stuff so I replied and said "I wanted you to post in this cool game running on the Interguild right now, lol." but I never directly said that it was the mafia game and I always believed that you can still message people as long as you're not posting opinion but I should just completely avoid pm'ing any players in the game at all even if the discussion is totally irrelevant.

I did not say lurking == auto town. You are twisting my words. Scum can still post and not steer discussion away from a certain subject. I believe that lurking is because scum are being careful with what they say. A good example of this is the way Silver is playing. Plus, Kooler is even contributing at all. I sort of doubt he even reads the thread.

I did not say that lurking MEANS you are town. I just don't think it's pro-town to believe ALL lurkers are scum.

That's my aggressive play style.

I posted the definition because had a different understanding of trolling than me. I thought the definition I posted would pwn you but the other top definition wouldn't.

You are comparing the first quote with a quote made at an earlier time so OF COURSE MY SUSPICIOUS PERSONS LIST WILL CHANGE OVER TIME. Everything else, just my aggressive play style. I see how people react to this attacking.

Again, just the aggressive play style.

Irrelevant.

No, more activity is better than less activity. If you moved to Vancouver then you could be online while I post to avoid the problem when waking up in the morning. And too much activity is not an excuse to lurk.

CSD hurry up and post again. I want to know your updated thoughts.

Jell, I will respond to the last of your accusations tomorrow.

Nice observation. Now post your thoughts.

CSD plays catch-up, part 2: Jell, page 10.

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"Especially not when he should realize that the one observation he makes, Yuggy playing carefully, has led to several Town lynches the previous two games."
This is something I do in a lot of games. I call out somebody for doing legitimately scummy things, and go from there. Bmwsu was mislynched, but it lead me to you and nebneb. The mafia will have to take sides, and from there you can judge who you think is the scum. Did I think Yuggy was scum... maybe? He was my best guess after the first couple of pages. I wouldn't call somebody out who I didn't have reason to suspect, but it's the discussion that follows that I'm most interested in.

"Jazz has been acting odd. He has been making odd, generic statements that don't contribute to the game. In my eye his posts are scummier than Yuggy's at least. And even more odd is how CSD appears to be completely oblivious to this..."
You thought that Jazz was more suspicious than Yuggy, well, then I guess we disagreed. Yuggy's was the only name I brought up, but that doesn't mean he was the only person I was keeping an eye on.

Actually, I have a question for Jell. Jell, you claimed, after the end of last game, that you believe you would have acted much the same way as town as you did as scum (or at least that's what you said about the Bmwsu vote, but I got the feeling you felt it applied to more aspects of your game). Do you now believe that to be the case? Are you noticing any differences in your play style, thus far, between this and the previous games?

CSD use the quote BBCode tag so we know who you are quoting.