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jellsprout
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:32 pm EST
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'Thomas' said:
JELLSPROUT: I want you to explain this stuff:
- fallacious statements
- contradicts his own posts
- trying to rally a vote rush halfway through the day and for only one absolutely terrible reason

Explain or none of it is true.


You have been spamming up this thread so much that it is getting difficult to gather all errors you have made in your posts, so I'm just going to leave the most obvious one here for now:

'Thomas' said:
'Shavey Dave' said:
I'm holding off my suspicions about Thomas. I think everyones eyes are pointing straight at Yuggy. I said I'd wait, and Yuggy does seem odd. For that reason...

FoS Yuggy
FoSing is sssoooooooooooooooo 3 real life days ago. Vote him. Yuggy is to die.


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:42 pm EST
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'shos' said:
anyways, what you said can be said about any roleclaim(haha! I know what that is cuz I bumped into it in your mafia site lol) by anyone..
No, some roles are easier to fake than others. Yuggy can just make up a 'clue' anytime.

'shos' said:
I'm not following soccerboy. are you or are you not allowed to vote twice? what thomas suggested is something I would never think about. this is interesting..
Look at this:
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'shos' said:
This may be true to some people here. but yet again thomas, not everybody shares everything they have in mind with you. they might have taken a look at the accusations and found them deemworthy, and therefore joined the 'bandwagon' lol. (what's a bandwagon? I know what's a wagon, so I only have the idea lol)
But Jell wrote the post and didn't put ANY evidence. Everyone is going off of what jell said. Remember how I said that even if you're town and you think you're 100% right, you can still be wrong?

'shos' said:
policy lynch? I highly doubt it, considering the fact that other people(me lol, maybe others) have pointed what he said before him.
Until this has been backup up, it's a policy lynch attempt.

'shos' said:
the first - I explained that for him. he probably took that from my posts. go 1-4 pages back, I'm sure it'll be there somewehre.
Post them here.

'shos' said:
the second - I don't remember exactly now and I don't wanna bother looking, but I remember that I thought about posting that too, and decided not to. but then jell said it, so well, I assumed we were talking about the same stuff, and therefore I supported his accusation.
Then post it.

'shos' said:
the third - well this is wierd, the fact that's halfway through the day didn't mean anything to me, but the 'absolutely terrible reason' I have to agree with, as I've said.
We need to get near a lynch because if we go past the deadline then it's a no-lynch. On mafiascum.net, some mods have a rule so if there's no lynch by the deadline then the person with the most votes is lynched but I don't see that here. Some members (DBX) only come on one a week so we need their votes early rather than waiting until the last minute. Agree?
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:43 pm EST
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'Thomas' said:
Hey Yuggy, if you can't quote private messages from the mods then how do you expect to help us with your hints?
I'm pretty sure I can tell you vaugely what they are, I just can't quote them.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:44 pm EST
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That that's paraphrasing.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:45 pm EST
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Oops, I meant to say:
'Thomas' said:
Yeah that's paraphrasing.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:48 pm EST
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'jellsprout' said:
You have been spamming up this thread so much that it is getting difficult to gather all errors you have made in your posts, so I'm just going to leave the most obvious one here for now:
That is no excuse for you to avoid posting this information. Without it, I can't really defend myself because then it's a policy lynch.

And I already explained why I am pressuring people to vote.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 4:57 pm EST
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Jellsprout, I want to know what made you go from voting shos, FoSing Soccer and me to saying:
'jellsprout' said:
By now I don't think Shos and Soccerboy are Mafia. Shos might still be one, but I'm willing to bet my life on Soccerboy being Town.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 5:16 pm EST
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'Thomas' said:
Jellsprout, I want to know what made you go from voting shos, FoSing Soccer and me to saying:
'jellsprout' said:
By now I don't think Shos and Soccerboy are Mafia. Shos might still be one, but I'm willing to bet my life on Soccerboy being Town.


Soccerboy is a Double Voter. This was obvious since Day 1. This is generally a Town role and would be overpowered as a Mafia role. At first I thought he might have made a mistake in his posts, so I FoS'd him, but after reading them again it was pretty clear at the time.
My vote on Shos was a semi-random vote. I didn't really suspect him, but he was my best option at the time to put under some pressure. He hasn't done anything scummy since then, so I dropped my charges.


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 5:26 pm EST
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I am Sir Langley, the mayor of Bowick. I'm the mayor so i can like. vote twice. that's it


i wouldn't be surprised if i was killed overnight.


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 5:29 pm EST
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'jellsprout' said:
Soccerboy is a Double Voter. This was obvious since Day 1. This is generally a Town role and would be overpowered as a Mafia role. At first I thought he might have made a mistake in his posts, so I FoS'd him, but after reading them again it was pretty clear at the time.
You are saying this now because he claimed. I want you to tell me what AT THAT TIME made you think Soccer was town aligned. I will explain why I un-fosed Soccer yesterday.

A big mafia mistake during RVS is voting a partner and FoSing townies. With me being one town-aligned person with an FoS on I believe Soccerboy was town and shos is your mafia partner. So because you did that this is why I have concluded that you and shos and mafia partners and Yuggy is in there with you.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 5:30 pm EST
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Jellsprout I am still waiting for you to post your 'case'.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 5:36 pm EST
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Oh and Jellsprout I want to hear your thoughts on this scum slip:
'Yuggy' said:
I still want to be alive if I am a townie,
Notice "if".

Yuggy came clean right there and you are saying he only made 1 small mistake.
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Jesus, Thomas. How could you octuple post on an actual thread? Next time you have something to say, type in the post a reply box, and wait 15 minutes. The size of your post will most likely quadruple.

I believe Soccer's role claim. Not sure, about Yuggy's still though. Whoever's gonna be Jazz's replacement really needs to come on, they'll probably be lynched out of paranoia by Day 2 if we don't find somebody, and the mafia's presence seems to be operating pretty well without him, so I have a feeling Jazz is town. I think there'd be a lot less lollygagging and arguing (neither of which are bad though) if there were only two active mafia.



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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:24 pm EST
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lol soccerboy, your last sentence made me laugh if people condemn you despite they 'know' you're town, they'll have to make up some really good excuses to why they're voting you, or in other words, why they aren't mafia. don't worry, I hardly believe you'll be lynched soon lol.

after reading jell's post in response to what thomas asked him, I got some vital information here about you, so I hereby

Unvote & Un FoS: Soccerboy.

Jell's idea of overpowered mafia seems very right to me. so there it is. like yaya, I believe the claim.
'Thomas' said:
Oh and Jellsprout I want to hear your thoughts on this scum slip:
'Yuggy' said:
I still want to be alive if I am a townie,
Notice "if".

Yuggy came clean right there and you are saying he only made 1 small mistake.
just replace the 'I' with 'one' and the 'am' with 'is'. it's a general statement, this is why I considered this a failing argument, along with the other arguments. perhaps jell meant this too.  


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:28 pm EST
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you know guys, only now I understand something. so far I was thinking, if somebody is a townie, why shouldn't they all just claim, and then see whose claim seems the worst or something. I didn't claim cuz I thought, if there's any reason not to, it's okay that I don't; if there isn't, I'll just claim later. then I understood now - in the post above I said that I hardly believe soccer will be lynched, but he wrote 'killed'. so there may be a role that can kill overnight, without any relevance to the lynch?

*sigh*, I tl;dr-ed thomas' extremely long spoiler, I guess I'll get started on reading it to see.


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:32 pm EST
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Shos did you intend to unvote me in the above post where you unvoted soccerboy?
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UnFoS: Soccerboy
I forgot I even had one on you. Yeah, you're pretty much safe from being lynched in the day as Shos said, but there's a pretty good chance a mafioso might cap you overnight. And I'm tempted to unvote and just FoS Yuggy, but he's still the scummiest active player to me. The case against him has weakened as of now, but lots of players are doing a good job of not slipping up yet, thus him maintaining his exalted shiftiness.

Ninja'd: Are you asking if there's a mafia role that could just kill a person in the night unrelated to what went on in the week? If so, there were Janitor roles in the past games where they could kill somebody or mask a victims identity every other week or something (off the top of my head).



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oh, right, stupid me, I'm sorry, Ijust meant to unFoS Soccerboy, my vote on you remains. Thanks.

to clarify:


Un-FoS: Soccerboy
Unvote.
Vote: Thomas


seriously, thanks lol, stupid mistake.


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:44 pm EST
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'shos' said:
you know guys, only now I understand something. so far I was thinking, if somebody is a townie, why shouldn't they all just claim, and then see whose claim seems the worst or something. I didn't claim cuz I thought, if there's any reason not to, it's okay that I don't; if there isn't, I'll just claim later. then I understood now - in the post above I said that I hardly believe soccer will be lynched, but he wrote 'killed'. so there may be a role that can kill overnight, without any relevance to the lynch?
No, only claim if you have to. I only hinted soccerboy had the double vote ability because it was obvious by then. The mafia prefer to kill a powerful role like a cop or a doctor than a vanilla town at night because those roles have a good chance of screwing up mafia plans. If a townie claims then the mafia can narrow down the list of people who could have powerful roles.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:46 pm EST
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'Yaya' said:
Jesus, Thomas. How could you octuple post on an actual thread? Next time you have something to say, type in the post a reply box, and wait 15 minutes. The size of your post will most likely quadruple.
Jell was on and I had a lot of demands and questions for him.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:49 pm EST
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damn, that list is very, very loll-ish.

"* Leonardo Da Vinci - All your post must be written backwards. In Italian."

XD


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:50 pm EST
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fine lol, then if I clain vanilla townie, just like that, I'm pretty sure no mafia will believe me at all?


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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:52 pm EST
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* C-C-C-Combo Breaker - You must post 'C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker!' In between when someone is posting multiple times in a row. (they get a Vig or something for doing so since this is more or less a role that relies on honesty or something)

Well we know this isn't a post restriction for anybody.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 6:57 pm EST
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'shos' said:
just replace the 'I' with 'one' and the 'am' with 'is'. it's a general statement, this is why I considered this a failing argument, along with the other arguments. perhaps jell meant this too.
No. If someone says "I am mafia" and then later says "Just replace 'mafia' with 'town'", is that good defense? Yuggy made a scum slip and you can stop defending him.
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Saturday, September 17 2011, 7:02 pm EST
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lol, it's not the same. I often happen to use 'I' instead of 'one' simply because it's easier and more fluent in spoken english.

"Suppose I shoot one bullet in the air and the shot kills someone. what would happen? would I be charged of murder/assault?"

That's what he said. the I there is just to put "a someone" in the sentence.



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