Yeah, that one. I didn't bother to reread the thread. But whoever yaya was questioning. I suppose one could be me and the other one could be Livio, but then I'd feel a little weird that someone else picked me as who they wanted to be

EDIT:
After reading that, I came up with a hilarious idea. What if all the players were neighbors with two other players in a circular fashion? That would be entertaining.

I'll write it out in a spoiler, and you can decide whether you wish to read it or not.



I like your idea, but how would the setup work out? I'm interested, so please expand upon the idea.

Obviously, it'd be nonstandard. You'd make a random list of all the players, and each player has two extra threads they can talk on. Only two people have access to any one extra thread. It could basically work like a game of telephone, which would be humorous to watch with the mafia and all. Otherwise, you could probably just run it like a standard game, or perhaps add roles that revolve around that idea. Maybe all the players can talk to the mod, who then delivers the message to the other two "neighboring" players. Then you could have roles that involve giving a fake message. Clearly, you'd need to make sure that the mafia were not next to each other, though you probably wouldn't tell the town that. It would be interesting, to say the least.

You should check out this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18907 Dayless Mafia, where all communication happened through QuickTopics.

In other news:

lol

I'd lynch shos for this

Also gonna make a note on the votes on this stage of the game:



First we note the Unchanged. That's fine if there's a lot of people voting for three different wagons or so that are all rivaling - however, this is clearly not the case.
The individual votes then - Thomas votes Yuggy mostly for lurking, but Yuggy is on a vacation, which he knows. Thomas doesn't push his case either - more on this later.
Yaya has a vote on Harumbai, which isn't bad by itself - but he has failed throughout the day to create momentum against him, despite having his vote parked all day.
Jellsprout has voted Quirvy at page 3 for "not playing like his normal self" and "overreacting", and has since kept his vote on Quirvy - but if you note... Why hasn't anybody put any attention to this? He clearly isn't voting his top scum read, and he doesn't trust Quirvy but "wouldn't lynch without solid argument", yet he has his vote there.
Finally, we have a vote on Soccerboy by Shos, and it's probably the least bad vote out there because it hasn't been out very long, but if you note, Shos has hardly pushed a Soccerboy wagon. It has some kind of background momentum, but not a lot.
And then, there's a whole BUNCH of people not voting. They do nothing to add pressure to those who they believe are scum.

And for the grand summary of why this stale vote count is the same, it's because nobody pushes their votes. There's such a poor signal-to-noise ratio in the game right now, that we have a lot of people saying "I don't know who's scum" and refuse to vote, we have pointless vote switching from those who actually use their vote rather than pushing of separate cases. There's little to no research into prior vote counts and nobody (except Thomas, I think) digs deep into prior posts, where they could find gems such as the above Jellsprout vote, which they could pressure him on.
The main problem is the lack of reasonable pressure though. It's a sad day when the hardest pressure being put is by Shos when he ignores defense completely and just tells people to join the bandwagon.

Things that I'd like to have seen more pressure on:
Harumbai refusing to vote Jazz until the hammer
Jellsprout voting Quirvy despite not having him very high on his scumdar
Thomas and Shos switching around votes (though the universal agreement is that Thomas is town)
The filler posts by Yaya and Shos

I AM SO MAD
"Hey, doing X doesn't help us catch scum in my opinion - BUT HEY, I'll comfort to your standards and do X!"



but this is true.

There's so many things I absolutely hate about shos play, it's getting frustrating to post it all...

Ditto. I can barely believe he isn't dead yet. Now, most people seem to think he's a very good player; I assume he doesn't normally act like this?
Right now, I feel like shos is a bigger troll in this game than Jazz was in last game. What the hell, man? Maybe Isa is just screwing with me and shos' role compels him to act that way, but I doubt it.
I think the major advantage that the mafia has in interguild games is that they can just kill one or two active townies and then win because the rest are inactive and will just follow what they say.
I forget who said it, but I agree on the Harumbai or Yuggy thing. I'm leaning towards harumbai because nothing he says seems to be saying anything. Plus the whole hammer thing. Gah, I wish I was still alive The game would definitely be more interesting, if I may say so.

I do encourage you to comment on the game in here, I can't obviously give you my reads but I can comment on them.

Shos was indeed not votable for the first day and neither could he vote, but I'm not responsible for his way of playing the game in any other way, shape or form. Everytime he says "we're basically in RVS", I die a little inside - it's not like they've lynched a scum already or anything...

Shos is thought to be a average to above-average player here on the Interguild because he can produce a case himself unlike many other players (sadly). However, he likes to think that he can scumhunt based on semantics, but his accuracy with those reads is 0% - and he is a complete wildcard in terms of reasoning. That's why I wanted him dead early as Mafia last game - not because he was a threat to us at the time being, but because he could decide to vote for us at any point for any reason (although he apparently had me down as a strong town read in the Graveyard, which was fun).
If I were to rate those who have played at least two games, I'd rate myself first (), then Thomas, you, Jellsprout, Harumbai, Quirvy, Yaya and then shos. I think everything from Snipereborn to shos can be questioned by others though, as this is just my opinion and I'm not entirely convinced of it myself - but I am quite certain that I'm the best player around here with Thomas at second place.

Anyway, to encourage discussion I'm throwing you a bone. What do you think of the odd Ice Caves paragraph that Thomas wrote?

Very weird. I just read that and am strongly reconsidering my town read on him. He should know better than to post non-game related stuff in the mafia thread. I'd probably vote him for that, since shos isn't already dead. I still don't like harumbai that much, either. And I'm reasonably sure that yaya is town. That whole shavey thing got blown way out of proportion. The person who hurt the town the most with that was shavey, not yaya. When yaya asked for more info, that more info couldn't conceivably hurt the town; shavey had already mostly roleclaimed. When I read that exchange, I thought "Shavey, wtf?", not "Yaya did this!".
Back to the thomas thing, the more I think about it, the more I really don't like it. While he gets points for the whole jazz thing, I very much want to punch him in the face. And harumbai is defending him? Hmmm, a jazz-thomas-harumbai scum team? Not sure about that, but I'd ask about it in game.

I'll give you this then: If the scumteam is Jazz-Thomas-Harumbai, why would Thomas start a wagon that went to a lynch on his partner, while Harumbai opposes it until the very final moment? It seems very disorganized.

I'm drawing mental parallels between the Thomas/Silver situation last game and Yaya/Shavey this game. You're sure that Yaya and Shavey aren't partners?   

Hey, a lot has happened since that game, ok? People change. I had higher expectations back then.

And why wouldn't it be disorganized? The mafia only has night talk, right? Maybe thomas decided that jazz was to much of a hazard and went for cutting his losses, and harumbai just caught on at the end. Or, maybe thomas was trying to bail from the jorster wagon so that he could blame people for it being a bad idea.
Anyway, I probably wouldn't post that reasoning in the game because its pure speculation, but just some ideas of why that team isn't unreasonable.

Also, almost everything in Mafia is just pure speculation. Just saying. =p

Aliens? ALIENS? Thomas.... enough with the LSD, bro.

Hooray for valid observations!

This is a good way to determine who's scum. Scum will more frequently than town post information instead of analysis - commonly shortened IIoA on MafiaScum - in order to appear like they are contributing. It's very easy to do, because you just reflect upon what's happening. What town is supposed to do is to dig further than that - why would Dando post this post, why would Jorster post that post. Basically, motivations.

To take an example: Thomas started the Jazz wagon when Jorster was at L-1. This is the core. A scum post could be something like this: "Thomas: He was on the Jorster wagon initially, but then jumped ship to start the Jazz wagon, and since Jazz flipped scum, I'm having Thomas as a town read."

If we want to analyze this, we'll dig into motivation behind this action.

What scum motivation could Thomas have when he started the Jazz wagon?
Let's say that the scumteam is Jazz-Jorster-Thomas. Thomas has had bad luck and both of his teammates are coming under fire, so Thomas has to plan for his own survival. Therefore, to give himself as much towncred as possible, he starts a wagon on Jazz, who was probably going to be lynched later on either way. Jorster gets the hint and joins Thomas on this wagon at once. Jazz flips scum, and everyone in town is now more or less convinced that Thomas is town, and most people have a feeling that Jorster was a scum-driven wagon, which makes him look like town.
What town motivation could he have?
Thomas was very certain that Jorster was a poor lynch - he had him as a townread, and it wouldn't make sense to keep his vote on him when there was obvious support for alternate wagons. His choice of vote was on scum, which although he didn't know at the time makes it more or less likely that he is town - unless he is aligned with Jorster as well, but there's no such signs from day 2 when Jorster makes a frustrated vote on Thomas.

Overall, while this is a very basic example, I think that it illustrates my point, and I'd be glad to see more analysis of that kind.

Also, lol at the aliens. I kinda like Thomas sense of humor.

Hoorah for shos doing exactly what I wanted to see! Bonus points for being the same example. Minus points for not evaluating the alternative, but still, this is what I like to see.

Huh at quirvy. I wonder if he's only allowed to vote once per day or not at all. The whole "it's my playstyle" thing seems ify. IF it is legit, maybe he should consider changing his playstyle in the future; more active votes makes the game move faster.

I can confirm that it is just his playstyle. He played similarly in the previous game so it doesn't surprise me, but his playstyle does hinder town.

I know it's been a while now, but I'm still laughing at shos forgeting that jazz is dead. And that he's mafia. Tough thing to forget, IMO.

We've had those incidents before (specifically last game when you and Harumbai forgot that Jazz was dead and another thing, but ironically enough I cannot remember it) - in reality, those are usually towntells. Scum usually have complete focus on everyone alive because they aren't simply looking for scum, as town does, instead they're looking for mislynches, towncred and other things. However, it's easily faked too, which is why it's not a universal towntell. However, it's genuine in a lot of cases, and while you should be restrictive with calling someone town only because of it, you can say with a very high certainty that the two aren't partners...because WHO forgets their partner? =p

Gonna shred this, by the way.
Tierce (who is a she) was everything but confirmed town in that game - I was watching from the sidelines and had her down as scum through gut. The specific instance - unvoting someone who's at L-1 - is the absolutely easiest way to get towncred and can be faked by anyone with even the smallest of scumbrains. It's not a towntell by any means.
She even explained in the post-game why she had unvoted...>_>

About Thomas:

Lol, Shavey! Is he trying to tell everyone that Yuggy is his partner/neighbor? lol