Or brother...

Here's why all the complete list of reads are bad - they draw attention away from scumhunting, which seems to be very much needed at this point. What's more, the reads posted aren't used in any meaningful way whatsoever. Why request reads on everyone if you're not going to follow up upon it?
Of course, the above two points are related.

Anyway - after the game, I'm gonna ask Thomas to take a look at every time he asked someone for full reads and the amount of times the full reads that came resulted in anything meaningful sort of pressure.

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lol. This is why I'll only do this once or maybe twice a day.

Scumbag Quirvy - refuses to vote, and when he votes with roughly 48 hours to deadline it looks like this:


Anyway, Snipereborn...what do you think of Harumbai and Thomas accusing Shavey Dave and Yaya of both being scum, but while Thomas has them separated Harumbai has them together?  

I hate you.

I have slight town reads on yaya and shavey. I think that thomas is town but just way more arrogant than he deserves to be. I still have a slight scum read on harumbai, even though he has the same scum list I would have had last game .
I also don't like thomas' playstyle very much. His general approach seems very suspicious and annoying. Part of the reason I ignored the jazz wagon was because thomas was the instigator and his reasons didn't seem very good.
Harumbai feels like scum the most because of his use of information over analysis. I can't think of any thoughts that originated from him. In this respect, even shavey, soccer, and yuggy are better off than he is.
I'd definitely be voting shos today, but harumbai would be my second choice, with soccer as my third (inactivity). I know what's supposedly going on with soccer, but that doesn't make it ok.

I'll dive into what I wanted to talk about more specifically when I made that post, the specific dual scum reads on Shavey Dave and Yaya.

Keep this post (removed unimportant parts) by Harumbai in mind when you read through this:


Those who have a scumread on Yaya, except for Thomas who has had it since at least the immediate start of day 2, have it due to the "forced" role claim of Shavey Dave, that they say that Yaya provoked. I don't think that was the fault of Yaya, but eh. Shavey Dave has received attention partly due to the claim but also through his actions in general (as usual). Having these two down as individual scumreads is fine, but together...? The only way you'd be able to argue that they were scum together would be if you said that Yaya had set up a plan to force a fake claim out from his partner. Otherwise, you're saying that Yaya is scum for getting Shavey to claim his true role, but Shavey is also scum - an obvious contradiction. So, you're stuck with the idea that scum wants to fakeclaim to get out of trouble.
Now, you probably remember the whole Thomas/Silver situation from last game, where we had another premature claim by a townie, "forced" by another one. There were a surprisingly big amount of people arguing more or less in favor of that theory and only one was scum (Yuggy). Harumbai was town and he argued against the idea that they were both scum, and although that read might have been influenced because he "knew" Thomas was town (as he knew I was scum through cop investigation and I argued heavily for the lynch of Thomas), it was obviously a correct line of thought and he should remember that situation. So why does he think that it happened in this case that scum fakeclaimed willingly without any need?
Adding to this is that he spreads disinformation about Shavey's claim - and corrects it, but holds the same conclusions to be true, regardless of his own correction in the same paragraph. There is certainly a way to verify his claim - Shavey names his neighbor. If Shavey is scum and not a neighbor, he cannot name a townie or Shavey is lynched pronto as the townie will just refute his claim. Therefore, Shavey-scum must claim his partner (if he still has one, mind you...). And if one of them are lynched or killed through other means, boom goes the dynamite - both promptly lynched and game lost. Put bluntly, if Shavey is lying, he doomed himself.
What we've concluded from that is this: Shavey Dave is telling the truth about his role, unless he is lying town - but do you think he is? Now, the role certainly doesn't make him town (or scum) because it can easily belong to both alignments, but that's far from being "not confirmable".

The reason I am focusing on Harumbai here and not Thomas despite both having them down as scum reads (though Thomas seems to have dropped Shavey?) is that Thomas has completely different reasons (though not very often formulated in actual words) and doesn't try to find the scumteam in one sweep, just one scum at a time.

Btw, I meant to post this:


I totally didn't do this last game.
Shos totally didn't refer in the game thread to a game on MafiaScum when scum did this.

Unvoting someone at L-1 is really Mafia 101, and I'm honestly sad to see that Quirvy sees this as a town tell.

Unvoting at L-1 is a null tell at best.

Speaking of Quirvy, during day 1 he nominated Shos for worst player in the game (through a PM), and now he sent in his confirmed stance. =p

Master of casemaking. Shos has NEVER specified what he thinks is scummy about Jellsprout.

If Yuggy is lynched, he did not deserve it.

I also can't believe that all Jorster does is to go "Hey, I'm bad at this game, BUT I AGREE WITH (insert person here) SO VOTE: X". It's the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

edit:
lol

Quirvy is also saying that Yuggy's vote on Jazz shouldn't really count but promptly disregards the fact that Harumbai posted at the same time more or less saying that "Yeah, I don't really know what to do with Jazz, he might be town though", then promptly changing that up for a quickhammer.

I'd wreck this game apart.

Also, I must say that I miss the long walls of evidence. There's walls alright, but they're all "here's my collection of reads" walls, which we have shown hasn't helped town in the slightest.

Yes. I'd have done a few of those today. But I'm not as invested in the game, being dead and all, so meh.

I don't blame you, especially as you're pretty alone down here, although that's probably changing within 12 hours.

(also, Thomas weird post will get its solution soon!)

"Where's that jazz? It was here not long ago..."
10 points if you catch that reference.

Still on 0 points

Gave "jazz" permissions to read this. Previously "Jazz" had permissions. Not sure if that changes anything, but I think it does - I know it does with competition PM's, you get PM's that you cannot read. =p

Hi.

lol so that's why you weren't talking at all. I thought you just didn't like us
Also, I think jell would get the reference. It's a morrowind thing.

Yaya sounds like he's bread crumbing right now. Mafia better watch out, lol. Of course, I might do that if I was mafia, just to screw with the town. Sound like I'm bread crumbing a bit obviously, point out some of the more inactive/inexperienced players (so that they might not be able to understand what I was doing) and watch the fun. Of course, the trick is to do it in a way that is deniable, but that's easy because it's bread crumbing. If that person is lynched, play it off like you just misread him and that the experienced townies just misinterpreted you.

That may be overthinking it a bit, but I came up with the idea in like 5 seconds, it just takes a while to communicate.

Problem is that it's antitown to breadcrumb something and then say that it's not there...but you're right, Yaya is indeed breadcrumbing! Hoorah for your pattern recognition skills, which are seemingly superior to everyone else in the game

Two hours. I wonder if someone on the Shavey wagon will get on in time to switch (shos?).

I'm super surprised that the Yuggy wagon caught speed.

Curious thing. With 15 minutes to deadline, Jellsprout does not hammer Yuggy, but moves his vote to shos from Shavey Dave.

Not saying it's wrong or right, just a curious thing that I think he'll get flak for if we have a no lynch.

edit: and as I post that, Thomas unvotes too...!?
Shos is at L-2, Yuggy at L-2, Shavey Dave at L-4. No Lynch ahoy!

Plot thickens - a No Kill followed by everyone living through the night!

Thomas raged in a PM when he read this

lol I would too. I'm sad no one died. I'm lonely in here! Blah.

I guess the no nk and no lynch is the second best thing that town could do, first being lynch scum and no nk.

Jorster might be heading for another wagon. First, he votes yuggy when most of the more active players seem to believe his claim, and then he fails to confirm his role. Ouch time.