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Thursday, September 13 2012, 12:23 am EST
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Hey Silver I see you're online and ready to contribute!
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 12:31 am EST
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'Jorster' said:
'soccerboy13542' said:
Jorster, I'm still wondering why you called Isa obvious town? There's no way you could have confirmed it, and it just looks silly now lol.  


He seemed town to me. I figured that the general consensus was that he was town.

I read this twice, just to make sure that it was really that bad.
It really is that bad.
"Why do you believe X?"
"Because X".
Sigh.


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Thomas
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 12:38 am EST
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And Jorster, you are responding to my question with something irrelevant or it just doesn't add up. At this point you're looking like scum despite your claim and I'm considering voting you. Problem is there's a lot of inactives I don't wanna let off and then there's jellsprout who's being scummy but not leaving us with many reasons to lynch him at the same time. I just don't see a pro-town player being so sure of someone's alignment unless it's a cop or something. Mafia doing that to town? Yeah that happens and it tricked me in my first game on MS. So you're scum, right?
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 12:41 am EST
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Lolno.
I assumed he was Town, based on the way he was acting. A couple of other players thought he was town, and Because he led so many Bandwagons, he seemed very Town to me, and I'm assuming a lot of people, who didn't say it outright.


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Thursday, September 13 2012, 12:46 am EST

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What I thought I put myself on hidden. Uh.

'Jorster' said:
'Silver' said:
You do know what hiding means, right? It means you are lurking and not intending to post, or lurking and doing other things whilst lurking (the latter of which I am pretty much doing at the moment).

So what you're saying is you aren't posting, nor do you intend to post? Why did you want to be a replacement If you're refusing to post?
Yeah, take a closer look at this part here, especially the last couple of sentences:
'Silver' said:
It means you are lurking and not intending to post, or lurking and doing other things whilst lurking (the latter of which I am pretty much doing at the moment).


'Jorster' said:
'Silver' said:
And unlike Jazz I do intend to post - when I want to, not when others demand it of me - and I actually want to try and attempt to make a contribution, when I feel like posting.

If you intend to post, do so. Make a contribution, sooner, rather than later.
I do intend to post, but only when I feel like it, as I mentioned - mainly because frankly, it's a lot more fun for me to go at my own pace then replying whenever someone else says I should. Forced play is not very fun imo. So whether I decide to contribute sooner or later is entirely my own decision.

'Jorster' said:
'Silver' said:
That out of the way, I'm going to give my thoughts on people... Though I will say here that the only people who really makes me suspicious is, first off, Jellsprout. Last day, he kept re-stating obvious things and seemed to be avoiding contributing, whereas from what I can remember of the last games is that he was an active contributor.

This is what Flash has been saying.
Well at this point in the game, the day after a day where we had 20 pages of reasoning and accusations everywhere, of course some things are going to be repeated. It's kind of common sense, you know?

'Jorster' said:
'Silver' said:
The other person is Jorster, with his weird flip-flopping play, poor reasoning, and the like.

That's how I've always played.
Of course. You'll need to step up on your game then or you may turn into another Jazz. Not to mention the other issues that come with playing the same all the time.

'Jorster' said:
'Silver' said:
Everyone else is a Town read, except for Thomas - he played just as aggressively in previous games - and FlashMarsh - very, very aggressive play, but from what I can tell (and remember) it's his first game in a while, not to mention he's changed a lot - who I'm not too sure on, so I guess that means I null read on them.

So everyone but Jell and I are town? Thomas and Flash are Null to you, I get that, but still.
My mafia skills are as rusty as hell because this is my first game in a long time, and I'm still new to it in a way, so I'm not going to be as good as most/other people on picking up things as others.

'Jorster' said:
Based off of this I'm going to Vote: Silver
I would say something about this but I'm afraid it's going to come off as biased so I'll just leave this here.

'Jorster' said:
That's not true. I wasn't under accusation when I posted the silver list. Also, our play style is different. I actually post. She doesn't actually want to post.
I may have worded my post wrong, so I can see how you'd come to the assumption, but - I do intend to post, and I'll do it when I feel like it or I want to. But if I feel like my contribution's not going to add anything? Well, I'm not going to want to post then, am I?

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EBWOP:
*Well I'm not going to want to post it then
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 1:59 am EST
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mhm Thomas? Isa was visibly playing very pro-town.


"Time is a circuit, not a line; cybernetics instantiates templexity."

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Thursday, September 13 2012, 4:11 am EST
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'soccerboy13542' said:
Okay. If i HADN'T hammered jazz, who would you guys have lynched?
I'm also waiting for shos to reply to something before I post again, sorry for the delay.


Soccer, the final part of the Day is the only part that actually matters. It is the only part of the day where votes actually matter. Earlier in the day, you know that votes are entirely meaningless because nobody wants to lynch before the day closes to an end. But in the ending phase, that is when a lynch is about to happen and the votes suddenly actually start being important. With your hammer, you wasted that entire time.
You thought I was suspicious? Then why not vote for me? That way you could actually make me feel threatened and see if I would crack. But no, instead you rushed the Day to an end by policy lynching a player who wasn't playing scummy at all. You never gave anyone a chance to put the pressure on anyone else. Was it to protect you and your scum buddies, or was it just poor play?

'soccerboy13542' said:
@Jellsprout:

'Isa' said:
I believe him, yes. Lying about receiving a PM like that is a very, very ballsy move that I really doubt he'd make as scum.

I believe that he was so sure about the Mafia being Dittos because his own idea for a game revolved around that. Seems soccer-y.


Why is this so hard to believe? The fact that he was the independent changes who he kills but doesn't make the argument less valid...

Another thing, on page 19 you said that I was banding together with Flash and Jorster against Thomas. In case you haven't realized
this, I have defended Thomas the entire game.


Even at that time I thought Isa believing you without further questioning seemed pretty gullible. And after his flip, it makes perfect sense. Isa's most important goal was staying alive. As long as he wouldn't be lynched or NK'd, he would hold all the cards. But in order not to get NK'd, he would have to prevent being threatening. So instead of actually playing on your scummy behavior, he let it drop so you wouldn't target him for the NK.

'soccerboy13542' said:
'Jellsprout' said:
I don't think I am. Scum often tries to start wagons themselves and try to convince people to join in before anyone can step in to prevent it. It doesn't matter who starts the wagon, banding together to push through a lynch mid-day is scum behavior.


This seems like it's exactly what YOU'RE doing. You've been after me since the very first 24 hours...


Where? I have never tried to start a bandwagon against you. I've been pressuring you, but I've never tried to convince anyone to lynch you for no reason other then to lynch. I've never banded together with anyone else either.

'soccerboy13542' said:
'Jellsprout' said:
No Soccer, this isn't your set-up. It is merely a game inspired by your set-up.


http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/topic.php?id=7163&page_number=3

Look at the first two posts. Notice how it's 3 hours after I started posting?


Exactly. It took an hour after Shos supposedly PM'd you before he actually made the information public.

'soccerboy13542' said:
Haha, you know what would make sense? If one single person claimed that my "rolefishing" was suspicious, then decided "Hey! If I kill Isa, maybe I can turn the tables on Soccer, who I've been after the entire game!"


How could I possibly use the Isa NK to turn the tables against you? Except for the first few hours when you were needlessly trying to fish for Isa's role there has been no hostility between the two of you.

'soccerboy13542' said:
Looking back at previous mafia games... you've never stuck with one person. You've always changed beliefs on who is mafia.


I have always targeted the person who I found most suspicious and figured I would gain most out of by pressuring. Other than you, the only persons I have found to be scummy this game have been Flash and Jorster. As I had already explained, pressuring Flash would do no good and I actually was pressuring Jorster until his reveal, when I figured my vote would be better spend elsewhere. But unlike them, you just keep getting scummier and scummier. You haven't done a single pro-Town thing this entire game. And as such, I think you are the best candidate to get lynched right now.


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shos
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 6:52 am EST
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Votecount!

Silver (1) - Jorster
Thomas (1) - flashmarsh
Soccerboy (1) - Jellsprout
Darvince (1) - Thomas
Jellsprout (1) - Darvince

not voting (6) - Shavey Dave, Silver, Snipereborn, Yuggy, Soccerboy, Harumbai
~~~
with 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

living players updated in the header.

Added the not voting players. /deadIsa

But I added the list of players in the header! oh well /shos


Shavey Dave
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 12:00 pm EST

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'Yuggy' said:
'Shavey Dave' said:
Vote Thomas I still think my vote belongs on Thomas. ATM I'm getting the most scum on him and think he should have been lynched. I think it would have been logical.
Reasons?


Same reasons I voted him on day 1 really. I believed that he should've been lynched and still do.




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Thursday, September 13 2012, 3:01 pm EST
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'Jorster' said:
That's not true. I wasn't under accusation when I posted the silver list. Also, our play style is different. I actually post. She doesn't actually want to post.

Yeah but try and find me anything useful you have done. Just because you do post complete hot air doesn't mean you are any better.
Jorster
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 5:21 pm EST
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I don't post hot air. I haven't seen you post anything worthwhile yet.


soccerboy13542
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 6:16 pm EST
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Haha, Jell, you seem so sure that I am mafia. At this point, I'd be willing to sacrifice myself to prove you wrong. The fact that you are so sure about it being me makes me suspicious of you, even though I'm the one being "pressured". Shos' modding error(s) have kinda messed up this game, and I don't mind taking one for the team if it means that we get one mafia member eliminated.

In response to the first part, yes, I've been suspicious of you. If I had said anything, OMGUS, then nobody cares. The vote would be totally pointless. You would most likely not respond, just as you completely disregarded my question:

'soccerboy13542' said:
If i HADN'T hammered jazz, who would you guys have lynched?


Jorster was bandwagoning Isa (for some reason I can't really explain). He said for ALL the reasons, again, very confusing. There was only one reason, he wouldn't play. Darvince votes and says sarcastically that it was a good thing. Then Flash blacklists him and votes without saying anything.

I know for a fact that Jorster would not switch unless Isa switched, because Isa was OBVIOUSLY town.
Three were already voting for Jazz. We couldn't have switched over to someone else.


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Thomas
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 6:51 pm EST
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When soccerboy is scum, it's obvious. He's not scum in this game. About his hammer, it's not like there was any discussion at the end of yesterday and if there was, you wouldn't be contributing to it, jell.
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 11:02 pm EST
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'Thomas' said:
When soccerboy is scum, it's obvious. He's not scum in this game. About his hammer, it's not like there was any discussion at the end of yesterday and if there was, you wouldn't be contributing to it, jell.
What are you basing this on? How many times has soccer played as scum? If it was only last time, I don't think that really counts towards his meta, since he was gone the whole time.

I'm null on soccer because I would have hammered jazz too, although I would have waited until we got a claim or he said something at all. But he might not have posted anything at all anyways, so... I don't think it was an unreasonable hammer.

On silver, I'm going to generally ignore her for a while and hopefully if she's scum she'll hang herself quite nicely. If she's town, then we won't waste all day attacking her and getting a claim like yesterday.

I'm going to Vote: Darvince because I don't see where he gave reasons on jell yesterday. The last post of jell related reasoning I found was this one. So, if I missed a later one, let me know, otherwise, this is a huge scumslip.


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Thursday, September 13 2012, 11:04 pm EST
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By "this", I mean
'Darvince' said:
Well that escalated quickly
Vote: hellsprout same reasons as yesterday.
this.


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Thursday, September 13 2012, 11:14 pm EST
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'jellsprout' said:
He knew from the very start that the Mafia are Ditto and claims Shos confirmed this through PM. However, if Shos actually did confirm this at that time and it was supposed to be general knowledge, why didn't he post so in the thread?


I meant to mention this earlier, but don't call a bad play by Shos against me. Using what a mod says to think that I'm mafia is really a crappy move, and I would encourage Shos to make sure everything he posts WILL NOT AFFECT PEOPLE.


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
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Thursday, September 13 2012, 11:28 pm EST
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Another thing:

'Jellsprout' said:
Losing them this early in the game would hurt Town, so I don't want to risk it yet.


Saying Town rather than us just seems like one of those little nuances that I can't have a case solely revolve around it, but it makes me just slightly more suspicious.


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
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woop woop we have a fire in the building

I actually thought I stated reasoning on jellsprout pointing him out as scum... Ah yes. I remember. I did it on this post, snipere.
Anyways.

townreads
sniper: weak. he's scumhunting, but wasn't active (before university)
silver: weak. she hasn't had many posts, but the big posts she did have had quite a bit of content.
soccer: weak. scumhunting, but also has his share of scumslips.
yuggy: very weak. he's scumhunting but doesn't come on very much.
thomas: strong. he's scumhunting and bringing up many new points.

nullreads
harumbai: not enough content
shavey: he's done a bit of scumhunting but has terrible reasons.
jorster: i'm still believing his roleclaim for now, but he's still being scummy. (drifting to a scumread)

scumreads
jellsprout: weak. he's only going against soccerboy, very odd. before he was only targeting flashmarsh. he's going after people for many days at a time.
flashe: weak. he's so aggressive it's not helping at all, and it's actually harming. he also only attacked jellsprout.

and I think that concludes my reads.


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Friday, September 14 2012, 12:25 am EST
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'snipereborn' said:
What are you basing this on? How many times has soccer played as scum? If it was only last time, I don't think that really counts towards his meta, since he was gone the whole time.
He was scum in the first game as well.

Anyway this game is really slow and I know Isa doesn't like this or something but he's dead. Everybody should post reads on all players. I'll get to that soon...
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Friday, September 14 2012, 12:52 am EST
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Shavey Dave - I feel like he hasn't posted much lately. He needs to post. Null, I guess. same boat as yuggy.
Silver - Not enough info. Post more, please . It'll help out. Null, I guess....
Snipereborn - better in terms of posting. Probably town, but null-slight-town. Still can't be completely sure.
Yuggy - like shavey dave, he hasn't posted much. post more please. null? eh. same boat as shavey.
Flashmarsh - erm... not posting as much. he's kinda laid off on the aggressiveness, too. is there some weird uk no internet thing i should know about? null, slight-scum?
Soccerboy - obv scum kill him now
Jorster - erm... still not really sure about the rc. i feel like it's a pretty big claim for him to do if he was mafia. null. maybe scum.
Harumbai - has he even posted today? it feels so... forgettable, in the case that he has. slight scum. for a reason i /might/ be able to explain later.
Jellsprout - pokes above posts.
Thomas - i'm mostly thinking from the "what's a ditto" post, but from a few other things, town
Darvince - i'm somewhat confident he's town

possibly either shavey or yuggy could be scum, but based on d2, i can't tell yet.
about silver: guys, lay off at least a little bit. i can kinda see where's she's coming from about not being encourage to post.


'Livio' said:
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Friday, September 14 2012, 12:53 am EST
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btw, that was pretty brief. i might post a more indepth one tomorrow when i have more time.


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
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'Darvince' said:
woop woop we have a fire in the building

I actually thought I stated reasoning on jellsprout pointing him out as scum... Ah yes. I remember. I did it on this post, snipere.
Anyways.

townreads
sniper: weak. he's scumhunting, but wasn't active (before university)


I've been at school the entire game, btw.


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Friday, September 14 2012, 2:40 am EST
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Shavey Dave -- null
Silver -- slight scum because "I'll post when I want to!"
Snipereborn -- still the most amazing person on the planet
Yuggy -- null
Flashmarsh -- slight scum because many attacks but little strength behind them
Soccerboy -- null
Jorster -- null, town claim canceled by questionable play
Harumbai -- slight town because attacks have a non trivial basis
Jellsprout -- null
Thomas -- null with an inexplicable scum feeling. Could be nothing.
Darvince -- null, since I just missed that post


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Prodding Harumbai and Flashmarsh.



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