See, just talked about DBX and he showed up. with random posts, yes, suspicious, but this questions what you said about the hiding, Thomas. did you test this with 2 different accounts or just with yours?

I don't need to test because I already know.

And I only have one account on this site.

well then I think DBX proved you wrong?

She didn't say she was lurking? The mafia game board is visible to members only so you can't lurk without an account.

Oh and jellsprout, to add on to my reply above regarding your "false sense of security" I am using an example from THIS game to prove why it's better to attack scum on the spot. So I believe that in my reply above I said that by attacking scum, they makes more slips right? So by accusing Yuggy for saying "I could be wrong though", he responded and his response was a scum slip when he said "I actually said that so NOT to be lynched." Who, as town, worries about getting lynched and ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NO VOTES ON YOU? Jellsprout, if you're town then I want you to accuse who you think is scum because it's only going to give the town MORE information. Don't keep this stuff secret.

Looking back, I see a Yuggy contradiction. When I first accused Yuggy for saying "I could be wrong though", he responded with this:but then Yuggy responded to the accusation in my suspicious person list later and said this:Town have absolutely NO reason to lie (and rarely do lie) but scum do it all the time. We're either going to lynch scum or at the least an anti-town player.

Yuggy needs more votes.

Yuggy, is must suck to make a scum slip in your first post... better luck next time.

Oops, I made a typo:
should be:

Oh hey thar KoolerTheFirst, it's time to make a legit post.

Kooler, you still haven't defended!!?

Thomas that post was just a mistake. "I could be wrong though" was an after thought, because even though I am a townie, I still didn't want to get lynched. I still want to be alive if I am a townie, but I can see why that post was suspicious, and my terrible defence for it. Sorry guys, I kinda messed up a bit today.

Thomas, thoughts on Kooler?  

Kooler, you where on again last night, and still no defence. It is very scumy and you are the person that I hope the town will lynch today. You have lost your chance. Another thing was that you didn't post when you went on, or did you on your mafia board? The whole point of RVS is to force people to defend themselves, and then if they make a rubbish defence or ignore you, they have something to hide. My vote remains.

Thomas did you see Kooler on about 2 hours ago? Or was he hidden.

Yuggy, you do understand that if he was hidden, you couldn't see him too?

this feels scummy indeed. right after thomas, you're next.

FoS: YUGGY

A troll is a person who subtly makes fun of another person in an attempt to lure out an emotional reaction. Neither Jazz nor Soccer were doing this. All that they were doing was ignoring your commands. Not to because they want to annoy you, not because they are obvscum and want to avoid attention, no they do this because either they don't think it will help at all, or because you are annoying the **** out of them and they refuse to cooperate with you in any way. I think the second is more likely.

Furthermore, it is a bit difficult to take your accusations seriously when everybody except for Yaya and Shaveydave are obvscum according to you. These random accusations don't work when you make such an utter fool of yourself.
Though the most annoying part about this is when somebody other than Yaya and Shavey turns out to be Mafia, which will happen unless the Mafia team is Thomas, Yaya and Shavey, Thomas will go all crybaby again about how he told everybody Person X was Mafia from the start and how everybody should have listened to him and how everybody is helping the Mafia win.

lol, thomas, sounds like you annoyed jell alittle. I'd agree to some parts of jell's post, but generally I think you're just talking way too much. pretty much 50% of this whole thread seems to be your posts. you attract waaaaay too much attention, even without my vote against you, I'd vote you again. chill alittle, perhaps think before you speak. since I'm pretty sure you're mafia, and am probably going to try have people lynch you, well, you've already condemned yourself, unless you can give me evidence that someone else is mafia too, which will be so clear that I'll vote him INSTEAD...

I wasn't on. Two hours ago, then (Not now) I was sleeping.

Lol, sorry I held off on my vote. When I looked at the new posts on my iPod earlier, I didn't notice Page 8 existed, so I was waiting for Yuggy to come on and post something, when he already had. Yuggy, the only thing you're doing to defend yourself is trying to shift blame on Kooler, who along with Shavey are the most obv. town seeming players to me as of now, and you're one of the more scummier acting players so far. And if you are town and this is some massive misreading of you, a la Thomas the past 2 games, defend yourself (but I still think you're mafia).
Vote: Yuggy

Okay, Yuggy.
make a defense that isn't just shifting blame to kooler.

Yeah I know it was a mistake. Scum don't mean to make mistakes like these.

You said something scummy and THEN you went on and contradicted yourself. Town don't (or shouldn't) lie, scum do. And no, town don't worry about getting lynched.

I don't find him scummy. I don't like his play style and I don't encourage lurking like what he is doing but remember what I said before, lurking =/= mafia. Apparently you think so. It seems like you're trying anything to kill the case against you.

I already said lurking =/= mafia. For example, in an ongoing game I am playing in on another site there was somebody who lurked and posted once every 2-3 days. He got really close to a lynch but then I pointed out something else and redirected suspicions to another person. This lurker eventually got replaced and the replacement was eventually lynched and flipped town. This wasn't a policy lynch though, the replacement was apparently scummy. I just checked and this lurker made only 7 posts over the course of 16 days, he was even pressured a lot to post.

He was online for around an hour and a half and he wasn't hidden either.

Thanks for bussing. Next you should vote for him.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll&defid=283884
"One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."
Both Jazz and Soccerboy were posted trash like "don't randomly vote. that's worse than lynching inactive" without backing this stuff up in order to annoy me. If there's a page on mafiascum.net dedicated to explaining RVS then it's clearly an important part of the game.

I did not say this. I think the scum team is comprised of Yuggy, shos, and jellsprout.

My accusations are NOT random and I put a lot of thought into this stuff.

Nobody else will turn out to be mafia because the mafia team consists of Yuggy, shos, and jellsprout. I'll be laughing in endgame.

Jellsprout, you have completely ignored my response to your 'false sense of security' stuff. I ask that you post a list of mafia suspects.

Playing in a mafia game that is slow is boring for both the players and those who are watching. So you want to vote so lynch me for posting too much? Activity will die.

I want to know why you're so 'sure' that my alignment is mafia and if you want someone lynched then share the information with others (something jellsprout won't do). I have made a case on Yuggy so you can read it and decide for yourself. Are you 'suspicious' of me because I am attacking you?

Soccer, just vote him. Yuggy has already tried to defend himself and he ended up contradicting himself so we know he is lying which is NOT pro-town. I do agree that he is just trying to accuse other people to redirect suspicions and jellsprout encouraged that in the last game. It may work to some extent but when you're being attacked, attacking someone else does not automatically defend yourself.

Vote: Thomas

Can we just get rid of him already? Please? He's just so goddamn annoying and telling everyone what to do, and he's annoying the hell out of me and possibly everyone else.

FoS: Yuggy

As Bloo would say: su-spic-ious!
He's trying to defend himself by shifting blames to other people. Kooler, mostly.

Policy lynches are bad.

Sorry I haven't posted, so I vote Yuggy, and FoS Thomas.

Kooler, if you had read the rules, you will see that all votes and FoS'es should be bolded and in a special format. You should also explain your votes and FoS'es if they are serious.

Vote: Yuggy

I tried to give him a chance to defend a little bt. maybe explain. apparently nothing though.

Gosh, why is everybody voting yuggy? did you consider the option where he really did say that setence just in case?

Thomas, I said everything you're looking for in the past. just look for it in my posts. the fact that you think jell, me and yuggy are mafia, seems to even support me. you think I'm mafia simply because I was 'defending' yuggy, but that is wrong, since alll I did was tell others to vote you instead of him, cuz I'm pretty sure you're mafia, and yuggy is just suspocious since everybody is attacking him, and he fails in english apparantly, so his defenses suck. and jell? why would you think jell is mafia? he almost didn't psot anything at all(maybe 1 post per page on average? even less?) and your accusations of 'bla bla bla is protown and bla bla is promafia' are pretty random. you say it as if it's common knowledge, lol.

anyways, about the yuggy, let me really defend him for a moment. soccerboy, do you realize that 'i tried to give him a chance' is wrong? you posted twice before he came online, that chance is pretty slim lol..

I'm going through the last few pages, looking for the stuff yuggy is being blamed mafia for. so I found it now, it's just one sentence from page 2:

So for this, Yuggy seems to get so many votes?.. I'm not following you guys. the guy said that in his opinion Thomas is too careless to be mafia(WRONG lol), but he's not sure. for this? really?

and now of course thomas would come up and shout that i'm protecting yuggy again, which suits his mafia thoughts.. yes yes, we heard you enough. so far I have no votes on me(not alot, at least) so I don't fear from you changing your vote from yuggy to me. I'm trying to get people to understand that they're basing their vote on 1 or 2 lines of carelessness, max. however, looking at thomas' gazillion posts, I think my vote is justified enough. lemme search for my reasons. hang on.


yes well, you gave the excuse that it was 'simple math'. knowing that the PMs were sent a week before we started is legit, but not so obvious, people usually don't follow dates and times of PMs sent you know. moreover, you said you've never played as mafia; so how did you know the mafia board was opened at teh time the PMs were sent? etc etc. the way I put it out:

Yuggy is scummy.

I have not made a case on you or jellsprout yet. The scum team I posted is a gut feeling.

I should just post the whole case because you are only looking at 1/10 of it even though I have accused Yuggy many times.

1. It all started on page 2 when Yuggy made his first post. I didn't like how he said "I could be wrong though" at the end of the post because if you're town then of course you can be wrong and other townies know this too. Even if somebody in a game is confirmed town and they suspect someone to be mafia, THEY can still be wrong. Mafia have way more information than town. I called Yuggy out on this and he said he doesn't want to falsely accuse anyone.

You should probably read what CSD said below because he explains it better than me.


2. I posted Yuggy on my suspicious persons list for the reason "For saying 'I could be wrong though.'" and Yuggy responded to that and said:

Earlier Yuggy said he was worried about falsely accusing people but now he is contradicting himself by saying that he said that to avoid being lynched. Pro-town players don't lie; scum do. He probably realized his earlier 'defense' wasn't good enough and decided to say something else. Pro-town players will not change their story.

Next, the question is: Why was Yuggy worrying about getting lynched, especially when there's no votes on him? The answer is simple: because he's scum. Pro-town players don't worry about getting lynched.

3. Now Yuggy is accusing others and in general, his defense sucks.

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I think I just noticed another scum slip from Yuggy:
Yuggy said "if", not "because" so he basically just admitted he's not town-aligned.

Shos, to me it sort of feels like you're playing dumb to somehow kill the case on Yuggy. If you are then stop now because I think I explained well the reason why Yuggy has 4 votes (plus some other FoS'es). I also don't understand why you FoSed Yuggy for such a minor thing here but you have ignored Yuggy's actions that ACTUALLY WERE SCUMMY. It's like you are accusing Yuggy of minor things so he can defend himself against those minor things and you think it will confuse us into thinking he defended himself against all accusations.

Oh and tl;dr: Yuggy said one small thing and once accused he did even more scummy things.

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You are defending Yuggy and pretending he did nothing wrong. The votes on Yuggy are based on MANY scummy things. My vote was originally made to pressure him which then led to him acting more scummy and my vote remains.

Just because some people apparently don't look at the time private messages were sent doesn't mean I don't. There's evidence there too to suggest that I did check the role pm time too. I said there was a week for mafia to talk so I would have needed to have the time the role pm was sent in order to execute the math equation which told me there was 7 days or 1 week for the mafia to talk and plan. I have also read the mafia discussions from the previous games and I see that they explain their roles and stuff and they can't explain their roles until they get the damn role pm's so of course the mafia can start talking when they receive the role pm.