Claiming to be a PERMANENT tree stump was a stupid move if he wants to survive the night (of course, assuming there's any killing roles other than the Mafia...). Everyone dislikes the claim, and when it turns out that he lied about it, he'll be lynched on the spot. Claiming his true role would have been much smarter.
About Quirvy:
Spoiler:
Plays a very pro-town game with good analysis. However, given his role, you do not want to be TOO pro-town. The proper strategy in his case is to mix things up with a few scummy posts every now and then. Let's see how he does.
Next time around I am making Shos a Naive role. >_> Hate to say it shos, but you're playing ridiculously poorly at the moment.
Spoiler:
You are fake-claiming as town! Oh, the backlash you will receive...
If Shos isn't lynched (yes, lynched, for those of you who read this) at the end of day 2, something exceptional has happened. Also, reading comprehension is tech.
Sniper sent me this in a PM entitled "For the post-game":
Spoiler:
'snipereborn' said:
I'm not gonna say it in the thread, but I'll let you record that I think shos is town aligned, but I'm trying to make the mafia think I think he's scum, hopefully making them not nk him. Obviously, I don't know if there are any town nk roles, and I'm betting on there not being; I guess we'll see if that's a good plan....
I understand the intention, and it's not bad, but I think that his execution needs work. You want to scumhunt and focus on your suspects, but right now, the only one who gets focused is Shos (and partly Soccerboy recently).
Note to all future members of town - if Jorster was scum, he'd be defended by his buddies, no? As noted early on by Quirvy, 7/8 members are required for a lynch (btw, I didn't have that in mind when balancing this set up - in fact, there's a lot of things wrong with this set up - note to self, do not rush things next time) so if town is universally agreeing that someone is scum, that person is probably town because of the lack of defendants. Now, some persons do defend Jorster (shos mostly), so this is not entirely valid, but I think that this method of analysis can be used more in the future.
What Jorster's role does and what he thinks it does isn't adding up. This is due to the poorly written PM's, and I cannot send out clarifications any more because then I'd interfere with the game.
Shos is mixing highs and lows. He absolutely cannot scumhunt based on semantics (no, that was not a scumslip by Quirvy), but he has very solid reasoning versus Jell ("Harumbai is believed to be town by who, and why does that matter if I think he's scum?" is perfectly valid), but also, using his own tree-stump to create conversation isn't ideal as it distracts from other scumhunting.
For the record:
I think that Harumbai, me and jell are the three most likely candidates for being night killed, and that soccer is the most likely person to be investigated, with sniper not too far behind.
Harumbai (and Quirvy) hammering scum does not make him town - it's easy as mafia to note that Jazz was clearly going to be the lynch for the day once deadline was approaching. Hammering your partner makes for easy towncred if you know that the lynch is inevitable, as in this case.
Moreover, I think Quirvy is overvaluing Snipereborn's scumminess. He opposed the scum lynch - but what did he have to gain from that as scum? He had been considered a valuable asset to town previously, sooo...Soccerboy seems like an accurate guess though.
If I'd make guesses and ignore actual actions, I'd say that the one most likely to be night-killed would be Thomas. He started the scum wagon and it ended up in a lynch on scum, when he could have stayed on Jorster without any hassle and cause a mislynch.
Most likely to be investigated is probably Soccerboy for his shady play and committing to the Jorster wagon, Quirvy in second place for being on the sidelines for a lot of the game, with most of his contributions to the game being arguments with shos and how much he's annoyed at him.
Thomas started the Jazz wagon before there was any reason to. He could just have hammered Joster and left Jazz alone. From that I can conclude that Thomas is most certainly not Mafia.
Hooray for the best reasoning used so far in this mafia game to clear someone. I hope to see more analysis of this kind.
I mean, the results of the night means that town will probably win this (no spoilers), but with shos lying for no good reason (living isn't one given his role - it's more pro-town to take the night-kill) and so much suspicion versus Jorster despite him being apparent town due to being the alternate wagon to (unless the scumteam is Thomas-Jorster-Jazz)...
I'm gonna break it down for you real quick why lying about your role is poor for town.
By stating that you were a permanent tree stump at first (lie #1), people automatically assumed you were town since it'd be a broken role if it was scum. However, you then claimed that you may or may not get better at day 3 (lie #2 - see, that's more than one lie), which seems like an after-construction. It drew needless attention to you as town, and you only want attention to be put on scum. There's very few persons in this game who has you as a town read because of these lies, and even though town is in a good position due to the Jazz lynch, they're in a poor position now because you are about to be lynched - and that is because you lied about your role.
Finally, absorbing the Night Kill would be POSITIVE, since you don't even know what your role does (unless you've connected the dots and realized that Jellsprout is Hated because of your night action!). You are way too absorbed with living through the game yourself, while disregarding the best for the town - which is if you'd die.
(...fun fact though - Mafia strongly considered killing you)
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About shos
If I were still alive, I'd definitely be voting him today, and no one else. Lynch All Liars in full force. His actions make no sense. I know I'm not a great mafia player, but even I know that his play style is horrific.
Even though Jazz flipped mafia, I still don't like the reasoning against him, since it was mainly him being inactive. Half the players in the game did the same thing.
I'm a little sad I died. I was looking forward to voting and unvoting myself 144 times, and then just killing a bunch of people. lolz. Maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the times that the posts were made, but I still don't like Harumbai and Quirvy for voting so quickly.
And also, I didn't strictly oppose the jazz wagon. I was just inactive for the two days that it occured over. Opps. I didn't realize that people wouldn't wait till the last day of the deadline. The slacker in me assumed that everyone does that.
From what you posted this game, I think it's fair to say that your play was much better this time around than the last game (no offense). If the Mafia kills you, either you've done something very right or they're cruising. In this case it's not the latter :p
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Actually, now that I think about it, soccer = scum. His role is that he can talk to one other person back and forth in a private thread? Like, a private message? Which was coded by haily? lolz