so, i thought i had already posted a topic like this but i can't find it so...


anyways, it's a war here in Israel and i'd like to know how the world sees everything. wut do you think?
missiles of the Hamas has reached my town :O and it's less than 3 miles long and 5 wide so...dangerous :O

Shos! Fly or go somewhere far from the war! for your own safety!

right now most of the rest of the world wants the fighting to stop or for at least a temporary cease fire. it's been almost a week since the whole thing started, hasn't it?

Yeah, I read that in the newspaper. I hope they stop fighting wars.

yes, but that doesn't really matter...I asked for your own opinions about the conflict.

I dun really have an opinion on that kind of stuff..

I do have an opinion.

While I don't say that Jews doesn't deserve their own country, (I'm neutral on that one), I honestly don't like that your settlements are controlling the Palestinian families lives, to some degree. Many persons lost their olive trees (which takes about 50 years to grow or something[seriously, it's a huge amount of time]) which they were living off. They sold the olives and made money out of it. Now, thanks to your illegally placed walls, these families are pretty much bankrupt. No money, nothing to live on, nothing. No wonder they get desperate.

My mum worked for the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency previously and visited East Jerusalem, as a part of her work. She was horrified by all the security needed just to make sure she didn't get shot. She couldn't move freely because some high-risk areas were just so insecure a fight could start at any minute.

I don't have anything against Jews or israelites, but I do think that you're the main reason of the war, and that you're mostly responsible. I'm not saying that there isn't anything to blame the Arabs for, but they shouldn't be blamed as much as you should be.

Just my thoughts though.

Also, I think this isn't really a case where you can truly support the 'good side' or the 'bad side'. I think this is just a war of opinions, where I prefer to view things from one side and you (possibly) from the other.

The main reason for the war are the English. Back after WW I, they thought it was a good idea to take the Israel/Palastina area and promise it to both the Jews and the Palastines, and in the end giving it to France.
Than after the France had been taken over in WW II and driven out of Israel/Palastina and the Israelians and Palastines both tried to take over the land, the English chickened out of their responsibility and let them fight it out theirselves.

But about the current situation, I'm afraid I have to agree with Isa. Each time after there appears to be a truce or an agreement on the division of land, it always appears the Israelians still break the truce and try to take more.

whoo. didn't expect that. well i really dun have time to answer you here, but i'll only tell you one thing - your base knowledge is wrong =\
maybe later if i have time i'll answer you. the only true thingie in the last two posts was about the olive trees X_X;

WARNING: an extremely long post ahead. careful!
ah, time.

i really dun think the fact that 3-4 families have arguements about their olive trees. there are 1.5million people in Gaza and i really don't think this is what matters.

yea, we have alot of security. and blame us; arab people do so many things we should be feared of:
there was a time where every monday we'd hear about suicide bombers, going and blowing up in some resturant killing tens, or blowing up some bus full of people. there have been events where some arab guys took over a bulldozer and started driving like crazy in the road, crushing whatever comes in hand. these stuff, we must have security to try and prevent them.

and..bout the blame. Starting from year 2000, thousands of rockets flew their way to Israel from gaza. now let's put this as a metaphore; two brothers fight for a candy. the little brother(gaza) bugs and hits and annoys the big brother(israel) for a looooong long time continuously. the big brother knows he's much more powerful and thus he doesn't hit back. until one day, he is ticked off, and he slams his little bro(aka, the reaction happening in gaza). then, mom(the world) comes and yells at the big brother.

you said we're the most responsible. can you explain yourself? i can see no way at all in which israel is responsible.. "if the arabs put down their weapons, there'll be no war; if Israel puts down its weapons, there'll be no Israel"..

hmn. now lets get to jells post.
nah; that history part ain't true. Britain controlled israel in a Mandatory thingie during WW2, france has never been here. ever, lol. thing is, after Balfour, the Mandate was purposed to help the jews build their own country. of course, that ticked the arabs here off, so they started attacking jews and british. that's how the war started, so I blame the british(yea jeb, it's YOUR fault XP jk). they indeed chickened out..

now that last bits of that post kinda infuriated me jell. i really don't know what the media worldwide tells you guys. let's see.


hmmn. there has absolutely never been any truce or agreement on the division of land, jell. perhaps you mean we break the truce and try to take more by being alive? they want the whole country dude =\
a few years ago we had Ariel Sharon as a prime minister. he was a smart, military guy. he knew that if Tsahal(the army of israel) attacked Gaza, it'll create chaos in the world. so he thought of the departure plan. what he wanted was to give the arabs the towns and cities near Gaza, so they can announce themselves a country, and then declare a war so it's just a normal war like every other in the world, and then it would be 'legitimate'. but, the Hamas took over 'democratically' and a government has never been set up. why is that?
we took many israelies out of their homes and moved them inside israel, as far as i  know it was around 2000 families. so the arabs took those places. and now what? did they have enough territory? no. they keep the attack. they want the whole country.

they claim, the conditions in Gaza is ridiculous; no water, no food, no electricity etc. well, It is us, ISRAEL, who provide them with those. so they say it's not enough, and they shoot missiles at us.
what? so if another baby dies in israel, we''ll have more water? what the jell are they thinking? there was one truce, a few weeks ago. in that time, they gathered more weapons of course, and besides the fact that during the truce they kept sending out missiles, they keep complaining.

perhaps, if you'd invest your money in food and water, you'll have some? instead of having about 10,000 missiles which each costs at least 10,000 USD, have some food perhaps? ain't that true?

war, this is how we call it. have you ever seen a war, in which one side tells the other EXACTLY which building is going to be bombed and EXACTLY the time for that, before it does so? in which one side attacks the other, then takes the other's wounded civilians to THEIR hospitals? in which one side sends in 500 trucks of medicines to the others during the 'war'? and then the other side says we're killing innocent people. what did all those who died from kassams do? weren't THEY innocent?


wooh. long post. longest post ever, i think XD...at least i hope it was clear.  


ooh, i forgot livio
yea, they want cease fire. would you believe it? they asked us to open the gates so that ten trucks full of missiles can make their way into Gaza. how stupid are they? they actually said the trucks were full of Grads...

note: the cease fire they asked for was one sided. literally speaking, they asked that we stop our attacks, and that they will be able to keep shooting. just how stupid.

Shos, my point of view is from a historical view. While it is fully understandable that you wanted to keep your new country when you were attacked in 1948 (the Arabs were mad at you for two decades before you even got there, so I cannot defend their actions and won't try to do so), it all breaks down to the aftermath of the war. Israel and Jordan annexed different territories, all belonging to Palestine. Isn't that what they are fighting about now? The East Jerusalem, West Bank, Gaza Strip...these should be a part of a Palestine country.

Regarding your metaphor: Six-Day War 1967? While not a direct attack at Palestine, they still identify themselves with the Arabs. You attacked Egypt and annexed even more parts of the West Bank. If I were to relate to your metaphor, I'd say it would be like you punched your brother in the face when you were young, and then they complain about that, and 30 years later you punch them again.

Nah, I'm still feeling that Palestine is suffering more than you Israelites are. You just got your country back, be happy and don't try to expand even more!

Also you should know that the reports from the media in Sweden is a bit...biased, in favor of the Palestine, so it's really no wonder I'm supporting their case more than yours. Media tend to focus not on Israel, because it wouldn't make a good story to write about families mostly living in peace, so they focus on Palestine, where people feel oppressed.

wow that was the longest post on this site so far.

I really wish I knew more about this whole controversy, then I could talk more intelligently on the subject. But now I won't say anything, in case I have it all wrong.

*sigh*.
i haven't said we're suffering more than they do. i don't think so at all. the thing with 'try to expand more' - xcuse me? the area was ours, we gave it to them thinking it'll help, but it didn't. we don't attack Gaza to take over the place. we don't want that place.

at THIS moment, foot-forces are going into Gaza. this war went very far. wonder what'll happen.
no time to write more.  but try to see this:
www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1087887317353&ref=nf
and this:
http://www.new.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=41632382382&ref=nf

...gotta go =\

btw, evan, wth?

I hear Israels starting a lenghty ground operation at you guys.

hmmn yea, but it's not 'at you guys'...heh. it is at the Hamas in Gaza; you're welcome to try and learn more about this.

Isa, i still really don't have time, sorry, but i suggest that you try and read some of the news that ISRAEL gives, instead of any local news or something else that might be biased.. =]

Ya, I don't know that much about whats going on, it just sounds like a rather annoying thing to be near it.

wah. i've just been through a superb long discussion(morelike arguement) about this with a few arabs and a friend of mine. wooooh that was long, but eventually once again we put some facts and questions they couldn't answer. gosh, i'm getting tired of explaining.

i'd like to hear more about what people here think.

I think that this isn't the only issue in the world and any person who thinks so is ignorant, just as every person thinking Iraq and Afghanistan are the only problem areas in the world.

India and Pakistan are also nearly at war about Kashmir. Back before the British occupied, the entire region was one nation. After the British left, the divided the area up into different areas, like India and Pakistan. Kashmir's population contains mostly muslims, but it is also of big importance to Hindiusm, so the British gave it to India. But now Pakistan wants it so they are at war.

Pretty much all of South-Sahara Africa is going down because of land wars. France, England and other colonists divided it among themselves looking at resources and profits only, not at the populations of those areas. Now that the colonists have left those areas, the original tribes are at war about their land and about power. Some of these tribes are now also scattered among different nations, which is also a cause of war. An important fact about these wars is that often child soldiers are employed to fight.

Now when looking at the other conflict areas, some of which are more gruesome than Israel/Palastina, how does everyone feel about all of this?


But about Israel, the media influences everybody about this. As Isa said, Swedish media tends to put more bias to the Palastine side, while the American media is heavily biased towards the Israelian side. I don't think I have to explain you are biased to the Israelian side as well, Shos. In the end it is very difficult to discuss this due to everyone's vision being cloaked by bias.

..i didn't know that; i guess Kashmir is a name of a place?..they don't report at all about those stuff so i don't know anything about it. well, they've got enough to talk about here =\

i dunno how people feel about any other arguements. this thingie we have with Gaza is talked about like 24/7 in the news, so i don't even know about any of those conflicts. you're welcome to teach me =]

yea, i agree about the bias-thingie. in my opinion, the media only shows what brings them more rating. seeing people getting killed by the IDF and stuff is much more 'attractive' for them than seeing homemade missiles being shot randomlyat israel, so they only show the arabs' side.

but you know what i've noticed, since i started talking and discussing in many places? i noticed that they can't support what they're saying. see, i saw some video in the facebook by some Fahd, who kinda started a campaign against israel, trying to show that we 'love killing childs'(copies his lame english). he posted that 'video' of 2 seconds showing a dead child, with his brains out etc. thing is, he uploaded 4 videos of that same thing but different pictures, and they're all fake. they're not from our war at all.
but this is not the point:
I started posting there about all the situation and stuff, you know, asking them questions they can't answer and such. they were five people commenting. and they gave up - they didn't know what to say.

so my point is, i think the arabs are being brainwashed against us since they're little. all they were able to do is shout that they have the right to fight for their land, they have the right to live there, etc. but when i asked them a hypothetical question of, suppose all jews and israelis are dead, would you take your stuff and move to live here - they said no. they don't have time, they don't bla, they don't bla. kind of lame excuses in ym opinion. i consistently urged them to answer my questions, and their responses were 'lol' or 'jews are killers of childs'. i told them the Hammas is using children as live shields, they said nobody would believe me, i link them to a video showing it directly, they say 'lol'.

they don't think. they talk with words, we talk with logic. this is why i think i support this action in Gaza. all they say for themselves is that they don't have water and food and stuff. okay, do you think another dead man in israel will improve your conditions? did you try asking egypt for those?

-no answer-.
i really don't think the media biases me. i only started watching the news more than a blink when the war started, when i was back from the NIR School.