We need 4 votes to lynch, not 3. So don't vote until there are 2 votes for a person already.

We do have a problem here. We apparently can't kill DBX, Quirvy gets reborn again and killing Harumbai leaves the risk of killing of me dying as well. The best thing we can do now is killing Harumbai and hoping that you get targeted.

Yep, unless as cavemaker you can override and stop Harumbi's arrow or kill DBX?

I can kill DBX, but if Isa took over my list of suggestions that means we have one day less to win the game. I can only stop a lynch with my override power and you are immune to night actions according to Silver.

I am Immune to all night kills, so what's our best bet

Jell if we both vote for Thomas now we can win the game, it would probalbly give us away but it would be to late for them to do anything. Shall we vote?

Let's see. Worst case scenario.

There are 4 Town/2 Mafia now.
We lynch Thomas: 3 Town/2 Mafia.
I obliterate DBX tonight: 2 Town/2 Mafia.
Harumbai sacrifices himself to kill me: 1 Town/1 Mafia.
No lynch tomorrow: 1 Town/1 Mafia.
You kill Quirvy at night: 0 Town/1 Mafia, we win.

So yes, we should both vote for Thomas. But I am leaving in about half an hour and I won't be able to vote until about 4 hours after that. If either of us vote and Harumbai or DBX retracts one of their votes we lose. So don't vote unless we are both online at the same time.

I'm leaving now. Don't vote until I return. I should be back in little more than 4 hours from now (I think 15:45 British time).

I will wait but this could be coming to a mafia win now...

Congratulations on surviving yet another day. Now, it's night - give me your actions.

Hmm difficult - here is our options;

Kill DBX - not possible

Kill Harumbi - whilst it is a garanteed kill, there is a chance he will be aiming at you and therefore you will die. (I am imune to night actions though) the possible outcomes from killing harumbi would be:
1. He was aiming at me, no-one dies apart from him, and mafia win with a 2 - 2 split.
2. He was aiming at you and both you and him die, leaving a 1 - 2 split. Likely we lose, as there would be another day.
3. he was aiming at a townie, both him and the townie die, leaving a 2 - 1 split. mafia win.

Kill Quirvy - even though he can respawn, he cannot do it on the night of his death, so it would be too late for him to come back. The outcomes are:
1. we kill Quirvy, he dies and cannot respawn in time. 2 - 2 mafia win.
HOWEVER if we add the possibility of harumbi comiting suicide, and firing the arrow, these results could also occour:
1. We kill Quirvy, and Harumbi suicides agaisnt me. I do not die and another townie is dead. 2 - 1 mafia win.
2. We kill Quirvy, and Harumbi suicides against you. You die, BUT we still win a 1 - 1 split. Mafia win.
3.We kill Quirvy, and Harumbi targets, for no reason DBX or Quirvy, as DBX cannot be killed in the night and Quirvy is already dead, Harumbi basicly just commits suicide. 2 - 1 Mafia win.

I would go with killing Quirvy as it is the most fail safe plan, and he would not be able to respawn in time. Whichever way it goes, even if Harumbi commits suicide, we win. Tell me what you think about this plan of action. It looks good for us, a win is within our reach.

Mafia actions - Night 4
jellsprout - Cavemaker deletes Deathbunni X
Yuggy - refrains from killing



Actually, I can kill DBX. I have the "Foolproof Deletion" skill, which allows me to kill a user no matter what. I can only use this skill twice, but I've only used it to kill CSD so far. This gives us a guaranteed win:

1. Harumbai doesn't sacrifice himself. 2-2 in the day, we kill Quirvy at night and we win.
2. Harumbai sacrifices himself to kill you but fail. 2-1 during the day, we win.
3. Harumbai sacrifices himself to kill me. 1-1 during the day, you kill Quirvy and win.

If we kill Quirvy, we have the problem that you can't get past DBX if I get killed. The day continues at 1-1, nobody gets lynched and Quirvy respawns to lynch you.

Just a minor note. I feel very sorry for those in the Graveyard right now. Thomas was getting unbearable while alive, it can only get worse now that he is dead.

Oh yeah, gotta grant him access.

Well, you still win. Congratulations!

Bump - there's another topic here as well

Good use if the mafia board.

Yuggy, you were the worst mafia... Lol

I think Guyguy should've gotten his own board to discuss his thoughts amongst himself and unravel his inner schizophrenia.

I knew it!

I'm pretty mad at you for this, because you were talking about how you played the game to have fun, which is at least why I was playing. I'm more angry at this than I am about my side losing the game. I don't mind you lying about the not needing to vote at the same time, but I'll admit I'm annoyed that you either lied about playing to have fun. You were so focused on winning that you chose to rid us of an active member to protect yourself in the longrun instead of killing an inactive member so that we could have more discussion in game, and as a result have more fun. If you wanted to kill someone inactive who wouldn't throw suspicions on you, you could have killed jazz who was playing the game horribly and refusing to give any input or soccerboy who was acting strangely and wasn't posting.

It makes me feel like you didn't want to win by countering intelligent debate, you wanted to win by forcing us to lynch all of the inactive people so that instead of arguing among ourselves we'd just be arguing with people who weren't going to respond(jazz). At least you lynched Soccerboy on night 2 but that was probably only because you were curious about his role. I guess I'm just kind of mad you got rid of yaya who I think had the potential to be a major contributor in the game, when you could have gotten rid of someone else who wasn't displaying an ability to play the game functionally. Yeah, it worked. Because of this we lynched Jazz on day 3 because he was refusing to contribute in any way at all. But killing Yaya instead of jazz made the game a lot less fun.

LIES. All lies.

"LIES. All lies."
He was mafia. What'd you expect?

I expect him to lie to protect himself, not to lie about playing to have fun (although, it was part of his defense about voting for Bm)

I could have killed you and CSD the first two nights and then cruise along to victory. My night kills were more strategic. I left the people alive who wouldn't lynch me and my fellow Mafia members and who would probably get lynched later in the game. I killed the people who were active enough to avoid lynched but who didn't have a large impact on the game.
Also, refer back to my post on page 1 of this thread:



Bmwsu was lynched earlier that day, Harumbai and CSD would both have a large impact later in the game and we killed Soccerboy the following night. Jazz was semi-active that day. The only inactive person left was Guyguy, who still posted more than CSD and Harumbai.

I also refer back to this part:



My lynch of Yaya was a careful consideration of fun and safety. Killing him would have left no large impact on the flow of the game but leaving him alive and killing Soccerboy instead would have made us larger targets for the lynches.

Edit: I also kept my Town personality and Mafia personality strictly separate. During the days I acted exactly like I would if I were a Townie, but during the nights I switched personality to an evil, cunning mastermind. Any other mentality would have cost me the game.

Mafia rule! Sorry, I was a bit rubbish, because guguy killed me first night

Yeah, jazz was semi-active, but what was he saying?



CSD may not have posted much, but his posts contributed much more to day 1 than Jazz'. When you're looking at someone's affect. But I won't defend Harumbai, because I feel like he didn't contribue

I just don't understand why you didn't kill Jazz instead of Yaya. Maybe it's just because I can look into the future now and see that Jazz isn't going to contribute anything, but ever since he joined Yaya's been an active member of the interguild whereas, he looked like he was going to be a good contributor to this game, where Jazz on the other hand had been inconsistently active on the interguild, and hadn't shown signs of being a good contributor.

I get that obviously part of the strategy was to take out an active member to force us to lynch an inactive one, but I feel like that's a really evil thing to do and that it single handedly killed day 3. I feel like you were trying too hard to win. I mean, it's night 1. The Town apparently uses day 1 for lynching inactive members, I'd have thought that the mafia would do the same for at least day 1.

But maybe what we really need is to train some of our players that play poorly, namely Jazz, bmwsu and guyguy(I'd put Thomas on this list but honestly he may just be a lost cause). Jazz was too afraid to spark any accusations, and defended people for being cautious on day 1. He refused to defend himself and ultimately got himself lynched.

Bmwsu was just too cautious, although not fully in this game cuz he really only got to post once.

I think Guyguy did a terrible job, even if he was Independent. As independent, I would have acted as if I was town, and tried to find the mafia. Instead he alienated himself by not coming up with any aggressive theories (and he also voted for DBX was too soon). When I made that big post about what he'd done that was suspicious, he came online, but hid, instead of fighting the accusations. Apparently he was trying to stall, but in case he missed what happened on day 1, people don't particularly care whether or not you defend yourself, and additionally, people can see when you were last online, and staff can see members that are hiding.

I could list out all the things that Thomas did wrong, but I don't think we have enough time for that.

Maybe CSD should make a guide or something on the basics.

To be fair, Yaya wasn't saying that much either. He started with two joke posts directed at you and Thomas, then one post saying that we should lynch Thomas if there are no better options, one where he asks why CSD thinks he is Mafia and his list of random Mafia guesses, and finally his vote for Bmwsu. You are severely overstating his participation during the first day. He was not the most inactive member, but he didn't really have an impact on the conversations either.

I don't understand why Quirvy is making such a large deal out of this (not taking sides). It doesn't really matter who the mafia should've lynched, because either way, they still ended up winning the game. The quote Quirvy posted about Jell apparently playing to win instead of enjoy himself didn't really speak to me because I for one would've done the same thing. I would've thought winning the game was fun. From my eyes, it just looks like Jell did have fun, but Quirvy can't understand his mafia viewpoint.

As for my Day 1 actions, I was not important. I'm pretty sure every one of my posts except the one where I randomly tried to guess the mafia was just restating someone else's idea, lol. I may've be active, but not in the right way.

Well, it was only day 1.

Theoretically we shouldn't even be having this conversation. We shouldn't be having inactive players in our game at all.

And I'm not talking about the outcome of the game, Yaya, I'm saying he should have killed off jazz instead, because keeping jazz made the game less fun, specifically Day 3. Not trying to offend jazz or anything, he just didn't try at all, and that really frustrated me even before we found out that he was town.

And are you suggesting, Yaya, that one should play so that only he can have fun at the expense of other players?

I think that the reason I'm mad is really only because it seemed like he was strategizing to leave the inactive players for the town to lynch, which is something I really don't like the sound of.

Don't misread my posts, though -- other than day 3, I had fun playing the mafia game, even when Thomas was digging himself into a hole it was fun to watch. The one thing that was kind of sad is that I was never under the microscope by anyone, or at least not publicly. It felt like everyone just assumed that I was town. The one time I particularly expected to be under fire was when I suggested that we don't go after the independent. I thought that someone was going to bring up the possibility that I was the independent and that I was just trying to protect myself.

At that point we didn't know how either Jazz or Yaya would play. They both had little impact on our discussion on Day 1. You are speaking with current knowledge.