Mainly because I wanted to hear what you guys had to say first, in case there is any reason for why no one else seems suspicious of Teo, because I think it's weird that I'm the only one who seems to think Teo is scum.
That said, I also tend to be very cautious with my votes, as you've probably made note of in the other 2 games I've played in. However, since the deadline is fast approaching, I will cast my vote before I go to bed tonight. But before then there's no need for me to place my vote right now. (or at least I don't think that there is)
'yimmy7' said:
i just realised if it's MYLO then not voting would be a much better idea.
This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say bad play. In general, yes, voting during the early portion of the day should be discouraged in case the mafia get bold and double hammer, but we're past that stage. We're at the part where we're trying to figure out who to lynch. Not lynching anyone is a terrible idea. A no lynch followed by a mafia night kill means 4 people left tomorrow, 2 of them are mafia, town can't successfully lynch anymore since they don't have the majority.
I'm not convinced for Teo and I'm still looking at soccerboy. But then Teo is voting soccerboy so I dunno. But I read back and thing "soccerboy is such scum," but then Teo's slot has absolutely no content.
Let's make this clear right now: if he lynch town and lose this game right now then this game was kind of a joke anyway with nobody filling atvelonis' slot and Isa not posting for a long time.
I would have liked to have heard soccerboy's opinion before I went to bed, but I guess we just can't have nice things.
I can see how soccer is suspicious, specifically his fluff posting from day 1 made me very suspicious of him towards the end of D1, but I still think Teo is the better option to lynch. Though his arguments have been flawed, he still has made an attempt to scumhunt on both days. Teo however, in his limited posts, voted for soccerboy for reasons that do not make any sense at all (noticing the 30 minutes between Teo confirming/Day 1 starting, and posting suspicions == mafia???), expressed that he had nothing to add about day 1 because he was a non participant, and then when I tried to push him to actually give thoughts on day 1 because that was a terrible excuse, he ceased posting even though he was still active on the interguild at that time.
'yimmy7' said:
he is lurking... lurking is bad... not like we all kaven't been lurking lol
Regardless of how poorly, everyone except for Teo has contributed to the game. Even if you have been lurking, Yimmy, at least you've bothered to post here when addressed. The same cannot be said for Teo.
Oh, one thing I forgot is that Teo actually completely ignored me requesting he give his thoughts on day 1, not once, but twice:
'Quirvy, right before the 3 days of inactivity' said:
Teo, if you haven't already, I highly suggest that you read day 1. Jorster should have suggested you do so and given you time to do so, but given how fast you went from signing up as a replacement to the day starting, I'm not quite sure whether or not you actually got to read up on day 1.
'Quirvy, after the 3 days of inactivity' said:
You not participating in day 1 should have absolutely no bearing on your ability to have thoughts on what went on. I followed the first mafia game as a non-participant and had thoughts and theories throughout the whole game, and despite Isa and Flashmarsh being dead they're probably continuing to read our posts and trying to figure out who's mafia and who's town. Think of it as detective work. Look at what everybody said and did in day one and try to figure out who the bad guys are
Teo wasn't responding to me when he said that he didn't have anything to add about day 1, he was responding to Thomas.
As I said before, what comes to mind here for me is Harumbai, after the 2nd mafia game I played in (I think), complaining about how hard it is to scumhunt when you're the mafia because you already know who the bad guys are. Teo's problems sound very much like this to me.
Right now I think either Teo-Yimmy or Teo-Thomas (you're the best remaining player, but I'm still not convinced of your innocence). I feel like Teo-soccerboy would be a longshot unless soccerboy made a post in the mafia topic suggesting his partner create some distance between him by voting for him or something like that, but I don't think so. What this does remind me of is the end of the first mafia game I played, where in my mind, I narrowed it down to Thomas-Jell or DBX-Jell as the remaining mafia, and instead of pushing for a jellsprout lynch, I basically let everyone else decide between Thomas and DBX. I don't plan on making that mistake again.
Anyways, Jorster's not here, but simultaneously we've reached a lynch and day 2 has ended, so we probably should stop talking here. Just because you seem to think we've lost doesn't mean that this game is over yet.
In a lot of pain right now, so no flavor for you, just be aware that Teo was:
Spoiler:
A Jack of all Trades, and was Town aligned.
Spoiler:
Quote:
Hello, Teo
You are a Jack of all trades, or JOAT. You must work together with your fellow townies to lynch the mafia scum. The only catch is that you don't know who is your ally, or who is out to stab you in the back.
As a JOAT, you have two one-shot abilities. You may use them once each, at night. You may only use one per night, but you can use them on whichever night you wish.
1. You may target a player to be protected, this will protect them from one kill for one night. The targeted player is not informed that they were protected. You will not be informed if you protected the player from a kill.
2. You may target a player to be tracked, thus discovering who that player targeted in the same night phase. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing [Name(s)] or [None].
You may also vote once per day by posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for]. In order to vote again, you must post Unvote, before posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for] again.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
After reading and understanding this Role PM, post "I have read and understood my Role PM" in the pregame forum.
Here's my reasoning for Thomas+Teo as the scumteam:
Spoiler:
'Isa' said:
Moment of truth. The hammer has been dropped.
I still suspect that Thomas sacrificed his partner Teo to save his own skin.
Here's some reasoning for Thomas+Teo.
First, Yimmy voted Thomas at the start. If Thomas is town and Yimmy is town, two of Quirvy/Soccerboy/Teo must be mafia. When Teo replaced in, he could have dropped a very risk-free vote. He could just have claimed to have read through day 1 and thought Thomas was the most suspicious for reasons to be explained later, and his partner would drop the hammer, bam, win at once. This did not happen, so there's a decent chance either Thomas or Yimmy is scum, but probably not both.
Second, Teo played poorly after standing in. Quirvy noted this and put forth his case, that wasn't really combated by anyone. Instead, Yimmy kept pushing his Thomas angle and Thomas tried to keep his options open (the reason Thomas didn't push Teo is because they are partners - but he made sure to leave some hints behind, making it very possible for him to go back to a Teo wagon should it become too strong).
Also check this:
'Thomas' said:
I wanted to lynch soccerboy but I dunno. I don't want to lynch you, Quirvy, b/c of your outbreak yesterday at Isa and you called him a douchebag and stuff. You probably wouldn't do that as scum. Yimmy is looking bad for still wanting to lynch me even though I've told him he has made observations about what I have said and done but those observations have nothing to od with being scum. And Teo just hasn't said much. I'll probably re-read later.
WHEN did Thomas ever feel like NOT lynching anyone as town? Suddenly he's on the defensive - Thomas has given no reasons to retract his page 1 claim that Soccerboy/Quirvy was the scum team.
And in the end there's this...
'Thomas' said:
I'm not convinced for Teo and I'm still looking at soccerboy. But then Teo is voting soccerboy so I dunno. But I read back and thing "soccerboy is such scum," but then Teo's slot has absolutely no content.
Let's make this clear right now: if he lynch town and lose this game right now then this game was kind of a joke anyway with nobody filling atvelonis' slot and Isa not posting for a long time.
"I really don't wanna bus my partner unless I absolutely must." Even in the end, options are made open. Thomas has never compromised as town.
And Teo is made obv.scum. by voting Soccerboy and playing poorly, and Soccerboy is my bright beacon of town this game. If he turns out to be Mafia I'll be amazed by his play.
If the scumteam is Yimmy+Thomas I'll be a not too happy camper.
Hello, [Username]
You are a Vanilla Townie. You must work together with your fellow townies to lynch the mafia scum. The only catch is that you don't know who is your ally, or who is out to stab you in the back.
As a Vanilla Townie your only weapon is your vote. You may vote once per day by posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for]. In order to vote again, you must post Unvote, before posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for] again.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
After reading and understanding this Role PM, post "I have read and understood my Role PM" in the pregame forum.
'Cop' said:
Hello, Thomas
You are a Vanilla Townie. You must work together with your fellow townies to lynch the mafia scum. The only catch is that you don't know who is your ally, or who is out to stab you in the back.
As a cop, once a night during the night phase, You may target a player to be inspected, thus discovering their alignment. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing either [Anti-Town], [Neutral], or [Pro-Town].
You may also vote once per day by posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for]. In order to vote again, you must post Unvote, before posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for] again.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
After reading and understanding this Role PM, please post "I have read and understood my Role PM" in the pregame forum.
'Jack of all trades' said:
Hello, Teo
You are a Jack of all trades, or JOAT. You must work together with your fellow townies to lynch the mafia scum. The only catch is that you don't know who is your ally, or who is out to stab you in the back.
As a JOAT, you have two one-shot abilities. You may use them once each, at night. You may only use one per night, but you can use them on whichever night you wish.
1. You may target a player to be protected, this will protect them from one kill for one night. The targeted player is not informed that they were protected. You will not be informed if you protected the player from a kill.
2. You may target a player to be tracked, thus discovering who that player targeted in the same night phase. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing [Name(s)] or [None].
You may also vote once per day by posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for]. In order to vote again, you must post Unvote, before posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for] again.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
After reading and understanding this Role PM, post "I have read and understood my Role PM" in the pregame forum.
'Mafia Goon' said:
Hello, Soccerboy
You are a Mafia Goon. You must work together with your mafia ally, Quirvy in your quicktopic. It is located at http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NkmiM2HNTMK. You may NOT use this during the day.
As a Mafia Goon, your weapon is your vote and your allies. You also have one shared Nightkill. Use this by posting Nightkill: [User you wish to nightkill] in your quicktopic.
You may also vote once per day by posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for]. In order to vote again, you must post Unvote, before posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for] again.
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
After reading and understanding this Role PM, post "I have read and understood my Role PM" in the pregame forum.
'Mafia Roleblocker' said:
Hello, Quirvy
You are a Mafia Roleblocker. You must work together with your mafia ally, Soccerboy. You also have nighttalk in your quicktopic. It is located at http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NkmiM2HNTMK. You may NOT use this during the day.
As a Mafia Roleblocker, You may target a player, thus causing any attempted actions will fail for the current night phase. The targeted player will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing [Blocked]. You do this by posting in your Quicktopic "Roleblock: [Player you wish to Roleblock]. You are not informed as to whether or not you blocked anything.
You also have one shared Nightkill. Use this by posting Nightkill: [User you wish to nightkill] in your quicktopic.
You may also vote once per day by posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for]. In order to vote again, you must post Unvote, before posting Vote: [User you wish to vote for] again.
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
After reading and understanding this Role PM, post "I have read and understood my Role PM" in the pregame forum.