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Shavey Dave
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 10:47 am EST

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'Silver' said:
'Thomas' said:
...and Bmwsu flipped town in both of those so if you are voting me for that logic then I will flip town as well? Bad logic.

No. That wasn't what I meant. I was applying his MISTAKES to you, not what he flipped.

'Thomas' said:
Lol Silver that is how Bmwsu messed up in the last game so with that logic, if we lynch you then you will flip mafia.

'Thomas' said:
if we lynch you then you will flip mafia.

'Thomas' said:
you will flip mafia.

'Silver' said:
I knew this was gonna happen.

OK vote me! You'll all suffer afterwards anyway when it turns out I'm town and you'll all look stupid. But vote me anyway because I'm OBVIOUSLY mafia because I was in the first three games! It makes SO much sense!

Blargh.


(I am in a really bad mood today, I literally raged at this.)


A ha!

Still though, this is not a reason to rage like this. RL can't defend you.




snipereborn
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 10:51 am EST
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True, but much easier said than done for some.

Another thing I find interesting is that she accumulated votes so fast. No one stopped to think about the other possibilities? I mean, the reasons I gave were pretty obvious to me and were what I was think as I read the exchange. Then I see a bunch of people saying "We found a witch! May we burn her?" This smells like a set up to me.


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snipereborn
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 10:51 am EST
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* what I was thinking. derp


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Shavey Dave
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'snipereborn' said:
True, but much easier said than done for some.

Another thing I find interesting is that she accumulated votes so fast. No one stopped to think about the other possibilities? I mean, the reasons I gave were pretty obvious to me and were what I was think as I read the exchange. Then I see a bunch of people saying "We found a witch! May we burn her?" This smells like a set up to me.


Exactly. Easier said than done for some. Anyway about Silver accumulating votes, well she is the most suspicious out of anyone at the moment and everyone's going to vote the most suspicious person right?  




soccerboy13542
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 1:26 pm EST
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I don't understand what you are saying about RL issues should not influence the game.
it's kind of impossible to control some of these things.


'Shavey Dave' said:
Anyway about Silver accumulating votes, well she is the most suspicious out of anyone at the moment and everyone's going to vote the most suspicious person right?  


^ we still have until january 15th for the end of this day.
we don't want to have an early lynch just to find out that they were innocent.


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You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Shavey Dave
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 2:53 pm EST

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True. I suppose we still do have eight days to decided who to lynch.




Yuggy
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 3:04 pm EST
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It could be to put pressure on Silver to respond as a single vote is not much of a threat. Also I'm not sure as Silver played like this last game as well, when she was town. This said Silver you seem incredibly worried even when just a single vote is cast on you, almost like you have something to hide. Hmmm. You also have to remember that on D1 a single vote is not that much of a deal, and generally just to see how a player reacts, so you can base stuff of their reaction.
FoS: Silver
Shavey Dave
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Hmmm. You FoS Jazz, then Silver but you haven't voted them. Obviously your better at mafia games than me but I sometimes find your caution to vote slightly frustrating. Never the less we'd have a lynch way, way to early if every one voted. Like I said in my previous post we still have eight days to go.




Yuggy
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 3:14 pm EST
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I feel Silver has enough votes for now, but I will keep my eye on her. Right now I await her response.
Thomas
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 3:35 pm EST
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'jellsprout' said:
You overreacted pretty bad to Thomas's accusation. One vote and you immediately go berserk. That is not a natural response.
What do you think of her accusation on me though? FoSing for something Bmwsu did and flipped town both times.
jazz
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 3:40 pm EST

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Ok shave, thats fine with me (for now)
Yaya
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 4:09 pm EST

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Thomas, her accusation is flawed. You're not even nearly doing the whole hiding info thing as bad as Bmwsu did. If he was 100%, you'd be like 10-20% (IMO, of course).



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jazz
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 4:29 pm EST

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'snipereborn' said:

I don't think I'm allowed to FoS more than one person unless my role says so, right? Otherwise I'd add Silver for good measure.


FoS' are unlimited, it's only 1 vote.

If I were Silver and if I were mafia in 3 games and everyone thinks that I'm mafia would I rage? No, but I have a good reason to.

There's a 26% chance she could be mafia. Her chance will always rest 26%. Same with everyone else. Even if she's been mafia in the last 3 games. The chance is still 26%. However, her chance of being mafia 4 times in 5 games is significantly HAHA YOU LOSER YOU CANT DO SIMPLE MATH AND NOW YOUR CHECKING YOUR BOOK ON PROBABILITY LOSER  
jazz
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 4:31 pm EST

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Sorry, that was Woodstock. Um, I don't think math is the best way to go...

I'll just say I'll just keep tabs on Silver for now. FoS: Silver
shos
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 4:55 pm EST
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Jazz, that is gambler's fallacy. she has the same probability as everyone.

I smell a yaya-shavey scum team here along with someone else.

Jazz, PLEASE, FOR WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN's SAKE, stop acting like a madman, be serious~
Shavey, RL is definitely an excuse; and thomas, not every single thing is a scumslip. Silver does have  arecord of being accused of being mafia with no reason, so I definitely see and understand her rage. shavey- writing in caps is not a vote-worthy thing. you and yaya seem to jsut jump on every wagon you see that starts climbing, with no apparant reason. you don't even explain yourselves. yaya didn't even respond to my vote on him - completely ignoring a vote is like trying to divert attention from it. I smell scum.

since I already am voting yaya, I will FoS: Shavey Dave

also, please don't call him shave, cuz I'm growing a beard. /sarcasm


Thomas
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:02 pm EST
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Good catch shos. Shavey Dave posted before jell voted and in his next post he votes only after 2 others voted.

Unvote, Vote: Shavey Dave
Thomas
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:10 pm EST
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More Shavey Dave votes please and Yaya, it might be time to bus.
jazz
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:23 pm EST

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Not my fault I didn't memorize some parts of my math book and my sister decides to do something here...

Anyways, I was trying to say that there was no reason that Silver can't be mafia.
And I never saw that. Maybe I'm underestimating Shavey. I'm a bit suspicious about soccer because he voted me when everyone started jumping on me and when (who?) said 'whats wrong with you it's only been a few days and its already L-1) and quite a few started unvoting he unvoted with them. I dunno, he's either trying to move with the crowd or maybe he genuinely knew that he made a mistake?

...time to bus? What does that mean?
jazz
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:24 pm EST

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Taken from the Mafia Wiki:
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Townie VIs are sometimes used as convenient scapegoats by Mafia, who will build a case around the stupid things the VI says as a case for lynching him or her. The other Townies are sometimes easily duped into such a lynch, or agree to lynch them on policy.


Maybe Isa is mafia?
Silver
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:25 pm EST

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Apparently people equal BAD MOOD RAEG as a mafia thing. ...Yeah. But I was real angry IRL, Thomas's actions just kind of got to me. Sorry about that.
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'Yaya' said:
Shos: 1st off, don't hold  me accountable on not immediately unvoting Jazz, cuz he only became L-1 while I was eating dinner; thankfully you guys took care of that (I'll leave the vote on for now to keep on pressure Jazz, but I'll unvote if needed) . I'm a bit confused as to why you voted me, besides that I hold one of the supposed "scum votes". I don't like to use that as evidence though, cuz sometimes things just line up in which a town votes 3rd/4th/5th; if everyone purposely tried to avoid that spot, we'd never get a lynch, successful or not. Maybe you just don't want to lose a partner (you could be the staff-scum, or maybe Isa for his odd reaction to L-1).
That was my combination response to your vote/opinion on "scum votes" Shos, Shos. Keep in the mind "I'm a bit confused as to why you voted me", so my response probably didn't even address what you were concerned about.

Concerning me "jumping on every wagon", there's only been 3 this game. And I didn't participate in the one for Shavey Dave, not because me and him are scum (well, I don't know about him), but because it was solely based on whatever number vote he had. Sure, he's more scummy now because he did it again, and without even posting a reason, but what's the point in trying to point that out by voting on him if it'll just be considered "jumping on every wagon"? Whichever way I vote for him, you'll have something to say about it. Of course, if his response to your guys' votes is equally scummy to his previous actions, than yeah, I'll vote for him. And Thomas, I can't "bus" him since I'm not mafia. I just don't think there's enough info yet. I'll admit I didn't explain my vote on Jazz, but I was more frustrated with him than suspicious (my bad), and I had reason to vote Silver because she acted similar earlier in the game. I mean Thomas kinda coaxed the slips out of Silver, but that's how you figure out who's mafia.

Silver, if you aren't mafia (less of a chance now, I guess), overreacting to votes will be the end of you.

Ninja'd(s) edit: Read this post Thomas. Jazz, bussing is when a mafia member votes for a fellow mafia member (I think).



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jazz
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:32 pm EST

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Oh, so Thomas suspects you of being mafia along with Shavey by stating that?

The thing is, I don't trust Thomas' votes early on, be he can become dead-on later on so I'm not going with Shavey yet. We've 8 days, and we can use them wisely. (I hope)

Isa
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:52 pm EST
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Got the time to post a little.

Silver is most probably town - I find genuine rage to be more of a towntell than anything else, and I do believe it was genuine.
Thomas is obnoxious, we know that. Reserving alignment tell here, more scummy than towny though.
Yaya jumps at bandwagons like it is his job - bad. I do not like this.
Shos sees a "scumslip" and doesn't do anything about it - very bad. How can a scumslip come from ANYTHING but scum?
Shavey Dave is still a good place for your votes. Dropping scumtells as town in one game is absolutely no excuse to drop them in another. It's, in fact, horrible.
Jazz may be a good vote as well, but not at this point in time.

Someone explain the case on Soccerboy? Seems like he had a few people suspicios of him - at least Harumbai.

I might have missed something important, but it doesn't seem like it.
shos
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 5:57 pm EST
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in fact, I didn't quite remember that psot you quoted yaya. I'm willing to UNVOTE you for that; however, that doesn't clear shavey. I will VOTE: SHAVEY DAVE to pressurize and see his reaction. Jazz seems to have relieved his stupidity and become serious, so that makes him my lynch candidate. If people join this wagon, do NOT go over L-2.



shos
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Saturday, January 7 2012, 6:01 pm EST
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the scumslip I saw by soccerboy is not lethal, but it means I will overuse IGMEOY(i got my eyes on you, for those who don' know) on him. he used 'by now mafia try...' . to me, this looks like a scumslip, because it is like casually talking about yourself. if I said such a thing, it would probably be something like 'by now, the mafia probably tried..'.

Jazz seems to have relaxed, I don't think he should be voted now. but on with the game, who knows~



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