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snipereborn
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 1:36 am EST
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Vote: Yuggy
because I just re-read the D2 starting from page 10. Harumbai really had it out for him, and given his role this looks like a solid case.
My only problem with your theory, Thomas, is this. Harumbai seems to have thought Kooler was suspicious.

Unrelated:
Can someone give me a link/ explain what the jesus role is? Mafiascum doesn't seem to have that in their roles table.


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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 1:50 am EST
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Yeah it looks like Harumbai was suspicious of all them (Yuggy, Shavey Dave and Kooler). His next post which says "I'm happy to switch to Yuggy or Shavey if there's a good reason and really any one of them could be mafia [including Kooler]" makes me think this. And it's not Kooler so it's gotta be Yuggy or Shavey Dave or most likely, both.

There's a big list of roles here. Just open the spoiler in the first post then use CTRL+F to find the jesus role.
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 2:28 am EST
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I am still suspicious of Shavey Dave, just he never really has been top of my list. Shall I claim? I will only do this if you need it though.

I will Vote: Shavey as he has made no contribution whatsoever today and has never played well even in days where he posted more.

Oh and Sniper, I guess I was wrong about you, so sorry.
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 2:47 am EST
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I don't want to hear shos' role, no, do not claim. Yeah, scum never have their partner as top scum. It's always null-slight scum then there's that town-aligned guy that the scum have as top suspect. For someone who is on your suspicious persons list, you sure let that person off easily.

'Yuggy' said:
I will Vote: Shavey as he has made no contribution whatsoever today and has never played well even in days where he posted more.
Same goes for you so I guess with that logic everybody should vote for you?

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Oh and Sniper, I guess I was wrong about you, so sorry.
Okay now you're just sucking up to him. "I am sorry that I found you suspicious even though it was your fault that you looked suspicious." Do you think he will unvote you because you apologized to him?
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 7:14 am EST
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'Thomas' said:
I don't want to hear shos' role, no, do not claim.

Says the Doc!?
Isa
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 7:35 am EST
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I still prefer a Shavey lynch over a Yuggy one, because everything Yuggy has done, Shavey Dave has also done. Regardless, due to Process of Elimination, Yuggy is suddenly in the Viable Lynches category.

Vote: Yuggy

Just...die, Yuggy. I'm tired of these claims and whatnot, and if you're gonna claim a PR too, then we're pretty screwed because we will have outed everyone by the end of the day.  
Isa
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 8:26 am EST
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Actually:
Unvote
I am only on board with lynching Yuggy today if we lynch Shavey Dave tomorrow. Deal?
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Sniper, I first want to apologize to you. I was pretty ticked of that you voted Kooler yesterday but didn't vote Thomas during the final two days, so I treated you pretty unfairly. This day I've been pretty distracted but I still wanted to join the discussion, so I zoomed in mistakes you made that in hindsight had nothing to do with the game at all.

I've made it clear since the beginning of D2 that I'm suspicious of Yuggy and I made a case against him at the beginning of this day based on Harumbai's role and him focusing on Yuggy at the end of D2. So if we decide to lynch him, know that I've supported such a lynch for a long time and I'm not merely bandwagoning.


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Yuggy
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 11:35 am EST
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I will claim as I can prove my role and so you wont have to waste time going after me and instead we can organise another lynch. I am the role-blocker, or The Supervisor, a member of the Neopets Team:
It's my job to keep an eye on my coworkers and make sure everybody is doing what they're supposed to be doing. That means no fooling around, no slacking off, and definitely, definitely no killing each other. Every night I may choose to sternly reprimand a player of my choice, preventing them from performing a night action.

I can back this up with what I did each night.
N1 I role-blocked Thomas which you have already confirmed when you called me a troll.
'Thomas' said:
I am the doctor. On night 1, I protected Harumbai, which was unsuccessful. Some troll must have role blocked me.

Then on N2 I role-blocked Sniperborn.

Also Thomas I have contributed a lot more than Shavey. I suggest we lynch him for not contributing anything, nor even being pro-town. Even when he has posted more he has never played well.
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Un - Fos: Thomas
Your role claim is logical you seem like obvscum and I have othing against you.
Vote: Yaya

We need a lynch. Yaya aint obvsvcum to me. IMO yaya = most suspicious. Makes sense?

Yes.




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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 11:54 am EST
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Why Yaya of all people?
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 11:57 am EST
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Oh and he also can't be lynched anyway because of Snipe, but he is probably the most obvtown player right now so why did you vote him and what where you reasons?

If I hadn't already got you as my vote I would vote you again.
snipereborn
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:02 pm EST
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'Shavey Dave' said:
Un - Fos: Thomas
Your role claim is logical you seem like obvscum and I have othing against you.
Vote: Yaya

We need a lynch. Yaya aint obvsvcum to me. IMO yaya = most suspicious. Makes sense?

Yes.

You can't vote yaya.


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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:05 pm EST
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All of my frustration...

So, we got a roleblocker and a person who claimed that he was roleblocked.

If someone wants to counterclaim Yuggy or has any sort of evidence that Yuggy is not telling the truth, do tell us at once. Otherwise, he has either confirmed confirmed himself or that the Mafia has a roleblocker, while town has not (or that Shos was the roleblocker). Unfortunately we cannot decide which one it is with our limited information.

If we do not want to lynch our claimed power roles or confirmed townies (I am including Darvince in here because I have stated multiple times I believe her to be), we're having the following people in the lynch pool:

Isa
Jellsprout
Shavey Dave
Soccerboy
Yaya

Out of these, I'd rather lynch Shavey Dave at this point in time than anyone else. There's no dabbling with compromises now.

However, if we're gonna include claimed power roles in the lynch pool, I'd much rather lynch Thomas today. If both Yuggy and Thomas are telling the truth, we can't deduce from the night kill which one of them is Mafia, because they're both powerful roles. Thomas has been a major suspicion of mine for a very long time - up until his claim, which made no sense if he actually is the Doc - and I want to see him hang.

So, here you are.

If we lynch claimed power roles, Thomas.
If not, Shavey Dave.

You know what? Shavey Dave should have died ages ago. We had a very solid wagon on him, we have had loads of pressure on him...we've had everything on him but a lynch.
Let's make it happen, once and for all.

Vote: Shavey Dave
snipereborn
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:13 pm EST
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Unvote: Yuggy
Vote: Shavey Dave

Seriously?

Also, consider this: Harumbai could only investigate one person. On D2, it looks like he did two main things, attack yuggy and defend thomas. He could only have known one of these things was correct, given the time limitation. So, either yuggy is scum, or Thomas is town (Or both, but by luck not proof).

Based on Shavey's nonsensical behavior and inactivity, he looks very anti-town to me.

NINJA'd
Since I believe yaya is town, it looks like we have a 3/4 shot of hitting a mafia. Assuming powerclaims are true, which is a bit of a stretch.  


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Isa
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:25 pm EST
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'snipereborn' said:
Also, consider this: Harumbai could only investigate one person. On D2, it looks like he did two main things, attack yuggy and defend thomas. He could only have known one of these things was correct, given the time limitation. So, either yuggy is scum, or Thomas is town (Or both, but by luck not proof).


Me and Jellsprout have already been through this.
Harumbai voted for Thomas day 2, so he didn't investigate him as Town (or Guilty). Jellsprout agrees on this one.
Harumbai didn't have any suspicions in particular versus Yuggy during the start-up and middle of day 2, so he didn't investigate him as Guilty (or Town). Here, Jellsprout disagrees.
Jellsprout also sees it as likely that he investigated Soccerboy and got a Guilty, but I disagree.

Now that we know that our roleblocker didn't target Harumbai, I think we can assume that he investigated Shos, because he didn't leave any clear clues at all who he investigated - something that's very important to do as a Cop.

Anyway, let's get the Shavey Dave wagon going. I think that all major roles have been weeded out by now (>_>) so whatever Shavey Dave claims, it should be vastly irrelevant. If nothing else - look at the power town has if all claims are true. Doc, Cop, Roleblocker, JOAT, two roles that confirms themselves upon claiming...what can we possibly more have?  
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:34 pm EST

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'snipereborn' said:
'Shavey Dave' said:
Un - Fos: Thomas
Your role claim is logical you seem like obvscum and I have othing against you.
Vote: Yaya

We need a lynch. Yaya aint obvsvcum to me. IMO yaya = most suspicious. Makes sense?

Yes.

You can't vote yaya.


Unvote

I am going to role claim.

I am an electrician, a member of the Neopets team. I work late hours and get paid low wages but in these late hours I can roam the building and look for evidence. On my first night I found nothing but on the second I found a clue. It was:

"The Idependant lurks. The Doctor he has plans for."

The Independant tried to kill Thomas on night two.




Isa
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:44 pm EST
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What? How do you draw that conclusion from that clue?
Isa
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Actually, that sounds like a fakeclaim, because I highly doubt Dando would misspell Independent.  
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'Shavey Dave' said:
IMO Isa + Thomas mafia going at Snipe maybe? I don't really think Isa is suspicious though. I've been thinking. Looking back at you. Looking back at Snipe. Fake claim? I have to agree with Yaya that if the real doc saw some one fake claiming he would penalise them, root them out as scum. As it stands my eyes stay on you. I would vote Thomas but he would get lynched. I'm not sure I want him lynched yet. I will of course Remove FoS, FoS: Thomas. That's the least I can do.


Yeah, no.

Shavey Dave is lying. If he knew that the Doctor was in the game, as implied by what he said, he wouldn't suspect Thomas - the claimed Doc.

Let's end this day, everyone. Gather round me, and lynch Shavey Dave.
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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:51 pm EST
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@ Isa
Ah, I missed that somehow. Also, I guess that we can have a random clue generator. What do we think the validity of this is? Electricians usually get paid quite a lot, actually and they make absolutely outrages amounts when they're called out late. Is it likely Dando would make that mistake? I know that's way meta-gaming, but meh.


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Tuesday, February 7 2012, 12:52 pm EST
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Also why would the indie not kill N1 and how could he fail to kill the doc? Who could protect the doc as he can't protect himself. This seems suspicious...
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'Isa' said:
'Shavey Dave' said:
IMO Isa + Thomas mafia going at Snipe maybe? I don't really think Isa is suspicious though. I've been thinking. Looking back at you. Looking back at Snipe. Fake claim? I have to agree with Yaya that if the real doc saw some one fake claiming he would penalise them, root them out as scum. As it stands my eyes stay on you. I would vote Thomas but he would get lynched. I'm not sure I want him lynched yet. I will of course Remove FoS, FoS: Thomas. That's the least I can do.


Yeah, no.

Shavey Dave is lying. If he knew that the Doctor was in the game, as implied by what he said, he wouldn't suspect Thomas - the claimed Doc.

Let's end this day, everyone. Gather round me, and lynch Shavey Dave.

Did you miss this?
snipereborn
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Hey, I just realized that janitors don't get paid that much and often work late hours. Is Shavey trying to embed part of the truth in his claim to make it a better lie? Hmmmmmm.....


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By the way, that hint the Shavey posted looks like it was trying to support soccer's earlier claim. Is this a botched mafia ploy?


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