I agree that lynching a person you practically know is town (for example apart from being horribly inactive Kooler didn't seem suspicious at all) is worse than a no-lynch as your just killing off townies (although I don't think Kooler would have ever been useful). The reason I didn't and we as the town shouldn't  lynch people whose only crime is inactiveness, is because yes, they won't contribute anyway, but every towny that dies makes a mafia win loom closer. I do not see why Jell is suspicious for being angry, as quite frankly we just lynched someone who would probably flip town for the sake of a lynch.

I didn't think that needed backing up. It was a pretty universal thought that you were being a PITA on D2. Right now, I'm on my iPod, so it'd take double the average time to normally make a post that involved going back into random pages and multiple quotes. I'll try and comply once I get back on the computer. I fail to see why that needs evidence, I was offering my views on why I thought you were innocent, not scumly.

I'm down with voting Thomas. If I do vote him right now and we lynch and he's scum, I feel I'd just be submitting myself to future false claims of bandwagoning and 3rd voting claims. But you know what? I'm a townie; I got nothing to hide or lose so it doesn't matter when I vote as long as I defend myself.
Vote: Thomas

@Jell: I realize that. I worded the one paragraph about Thomas being mafia poorly. Not saying Dando chose him to be mafia, I just mean he isn't excluded from being head mafioso because it's been staff every other game; and he's the most likely one right now. Any mafia thoughts I has are gonna get sent back to square-2 if he magically flips town.

Ps: Isa it took me about 10 minutes to type this post on my iPod, I have no desire to incorrectly tap a screen with my oversized thumbs for another 10-15.

I just got back from school and have a presentation and a report due.
Don't expect a ton of quick responses from me.

I GET BACK FROM SCHOOL AT 5:50 INTERGUILD TIME.



Silver, I don't believe this. At least one person would have done this after your RC.


anyone? anyone target silver?


THOMAS: explain the vote on me on the 1st page?

NEW THEORY:



This involves my role.

Thomas is mafia. He could not kill me. Independent killed Harumbai.

Do you have anything to back that up with?

Soccerboy, since everyone except Shavey Dave has posted since Silver's claim, you should believe it.

Thomas was the only one who voted for me DAY 2, legitimately.
it seems likely that if he was mafia, he would try to kill me.

Once shavey comes, i'll believe it.

How do you explain the fact that we only had one kill N1 as well as N2 then?

We do not know your role. Stop hinting at it.

How do you explain that shos' role came out as unknown?
We can't.
There are all sorts of possibilities.

Also, aren't NKs not always successful?

It's easy to say a town lynch is better than no lynch, but the problem is you don't know who is town. Unless you do?
All of the "evidence" you give against me isn't evidence at all. "The crucial third vote"? That doesn't make sense, unless you're suggesting the three people who voted after me are mafia, which is just silly.
I never claimed thomas was the scummiest person in the game. You just made that up.
In fact, I was never sure whether thomas was or wasn't mafia, which is why I wanted to vote silver, as my previously linked posts show.
You keep acting like you knew kooler was town. There was no way to know this, unless you're mafia. And risking a town lynch IS better than a no lynch.

@Soccer
I believe you. Now, jellsprout, Thomas is the scummiest player in the game. If Thomas magically flips town, then soccer is scum.
Vote: Thomas

Just counted and I think


Thomas is at L-1

Well, we can look at previous games. 100% of the cases of unknown deaths have been caused by Janitors. Only once has there been a role that would hide its own alignment upon death, but even that one was killed by a Janitor. So yes, we can explain that.
How does it even relate to my question?

Night Kills usually succeed but can be blocked. Having a NK blocked is rare though, especially two nights in a row. Unless you have proof - not a theory, but actual proof - that there's another role in this game that's still in the game which can be used to kill someone, we should just assume that we are looking at a setup with one scum team and no serial killer.

PEdit: Oh come ON.

That is L-1.

Unvote
Vote: Snipereborn

Again, Soccerboy's theory makes no sense unless you somehow have proof that there is a third party role in the game. There has been a grand total of two kills evenly spread out over two nights, and there has been no reveal to the public that a third-party role is in existence. The only thing that could possibly hint towards that is Kooler's role, but that's not as important as the lack of multiple kills happening in the same night. Remember that Jazz could kill someone at night, he just never got there.

Anyway, Sniper, what reasons do you have to believe Soccerboy?

PEdit2: Yes, that is L-1, but not anymore.

We are not going to waste time going after me today. Today is the day to lynch scum. I am the doctor. On night 1, I protected Harumbai, which was unsuccessful. Some troll must have role blocked me. On night 2, I protected jellsprout, which was successful. Part of the reason why I asked Silver to claim was because I knew that if she had a strong role then I could save her. I guess I'm just a bad doc like that but it's my first time as a doc.

snipereborn reacts badly under pressure.
Unvote, Vote: snipereborn

It's reasonable that there's a townie vigilante. They wouldn't have targeted anyone on D1.

So I'm not allowed to defend false points leveled at me?
Also: Doctor + Jack of all Trades + Cop.
Hmm.
You are a liar, obvscum.

Sniper: That post is bad for a number of reasons.

First, that's the COMPLETELY wrong way to play as a Vigilante. You use your kills early on in the game and when the game grows closer to a scum win, you stop killing people because a poor shot could be fatal.
Second, your theory as of why Thomas should be lynched assumed that he was a third party role. Town vigilantes are per definition aligned with the town.

You have no reasons to believe what Soccerboy said unless you're partnered with him...or if you just needed a reason to join the wagon on Thomas while not seeming like you're sheeping people. Why you'd need that, I am not sure. You're not making much sense though.

Thomas: Claiming DOCTOR of all roles is badbadbad. I'm noting that you claimed to have been roleblocked the same night as the night we had a Janitor'd kill. Coincidence? Anyway, a Doc claim is probably the easiest to fake out of the major PR's, so I am not going to treat you like confirmed town just because of this - especially due to the Janitor kill. Silver's role confirms itself, yours do not, especially as you haven't saved anyone.
And if your claim is true, you'll probably die tonight.

PEdit: FALSE!? Qué? You quoted a big post, said something about a possibility of Vigilantes, and now everything in it was false and your post was the epitome of truth?

Furthermore, a Doc claim is not implausible at all - Dando promised a power role-heavy game with no Vanilla roles, and if you look at Mafia game 1, 2, and 3, IIRC all of them featured all of those three roles. You shouldn't take his claim as absolute truth, but you shouldn't dismiss it just yet.

I am suddenly super confident in a Snipereborn lynch.

I'm what, l-2 or l-1 now? I'd ask that I be allowed to prove my alignment before being lynched, so any townies shouldn't hammer. It's super easy for me to prove I'm town, if you don't already believe it.
Also, you describe a very poor way of playing vigilante. Saving your kills for later increases you're odds of hitting a scum. Using them early is just blindfire.

Also, I didn't assume thomas was a third party. What made you think that? I though someone else was a third party. That's why I voted thomas. No point if I thought he was indie.

@Isa Well I am not told if I was blocked; I am told if the protection was successful or not so there could even be a jailer who jailed Harumbai but I think it's more likely that I was role blocked.

snipereborn is keeping his vote on a claimed doc because he wants the claimed doc dead.

Because I'm 90% you're not a doc. I want scum dead.

L-2, and playing as a Vigilante is risk/reward. Early on, you can afford to have a few town kills - low risk. If you hit scum though, you're at a VERY favorable position - high reward. Later on, if you kill a townie, you may very well have lost the game because of a poor shot - high risk. On the other hand, if you do hit scum, you're merely turning a bad situation into a decent one - medium reward.

The chances of hitting scum are higher, but still only 50% at best, and I'd be really angry at someone who basically flipped a coin over whether town loses directly or lives to see another day.

Furthermore not using your role early on means that you're just waiting to be shot. You wait two or three nights to get the highest chance of hitting your scumread - BAM, you were nightkilled by the Mafia.
EVEN furthermore, if there are no kills - who'd believe a Vigilante claim? It makes no sense.

The only exception is if you only have a one-shot ability, in which case I agree that you should wait for a while until you use it. However, that role has already been used up.

Thomas can probably back me up with his experience from MafiaScum that if you have unlimited use of a power, you shouldn't hesitate to use it early. Saving your shots to potentially let town lose due to your poor aim is horrible play by any vigilante.

And AGAIN, your case was that Thomas was a third-party role.

Ninja'd four times: I assumed you wanted Thomas dead due to being 3rd Party because, you know, Soccerboy said so...actually nevermind, I take that back. I misinterpret what was said, my fault.
Regardless - you agreed with him saying that there IS a third-party role, to which I disagree.
I'd like to know though - why is Soccer scum if Thomas is town?

Because that would mean soccer lied about Thomas.

And again, Soccerboy has merely speculated in a theory. He hasn't said anything in terms of evidence, only a wild guess that Thomas is frustrated because he is Mafia, shot Soccerboy but somehow failed in killing him. Again, he hasn't backed this with facts or claims. That's not a solid basis in my opinion. Do you think it is?

Also let me collect a few quotes that I want you to reply to, Sniper...back in five, stay tuned.

Here, we are in agreement. Yet, this somehow turns into...


While you have not said previously that this is what you believed - just that Thomas helped Silver fakeclaim, which can be interpreted in many ways regardless - you now agree with this pretty far-fetched theory. Occam's Razor be damned, this is the way, dammit! Let's lynch the role which can confirm itself!

And now, you agree with this:
We have yet to have any kills outside of the standard amount. Yet, Soccerboy draws the far-fetched conclusion that there must be an additional killing role in the game which has failed to kill twice now, and you instantly agree that there's a third party role.

Tell me...what happened to Occam's Razor? Do you only apply it when it suits you?