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It is common to have 2 doctors even if one has a limited number of saves? Maybe Jorster is claiming doctor because it is an easy thing to not have to back up.  


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Where is Jorster anyway? He hasn't posted all day.


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"I think a doctor claim looks "legit" when you claim to have protected anyone. No, you're not that pro-town guy everybody wants alive".

Here, you just take opportunities to call me anti town with no reason at all. What does you not being a legit doctor have to do with me?

Thomas, "I already stated the reason for the fake claim" is almost the definition of WIFOM.

"Gee, Yaya must have been really uncertain as to whether he was a sane cop or not to use the word "probably.""
Or, he just didn't want to be obvious. Which is more likely, he doubted his own sanity, or he wanted to avoid dying?

"Truth is, that's not a breadcrumb. A cop can still have a town read on someone they have not yet investigated and if they are using "probably" to describe one's alignment, I can guarantee they have not investigated that person. For that reason, it's not a breadcrumb, no."
Here, he just dodges and lies some more. His entire argument is that "probably" means that is 100% not a breadcrumb and never ever is. Really? You seem awfully certain you know exactly what someone else was thinking, even though there is no history of what you're saying being true.

"I only decided to vote you after I read the part about the night kills."
So I correctly guessed what happened and you don't like it? This is the worst excuse of all time. You've never once said what I've done that is scummy, just that you aren't so I must be. You've had days and days to say anything intelligible and you refuse to. Thomas is scummy than the executives at Enron. He accuses me of having a fake role when doctor is the easiest claim to fake for scum. You just have to say you didn't protect the people that died. You've contributed basically nothing the entire game and now that the deadline in lylo is coming up, you suddenly have everything in the world to talk about.


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Due to Flashmarsh's suspension, the deadline shall be extended by a week precisely.

all votes during this week until Flash returns will be Unofficial. This means that a real vote can not be cast during this week. but you're welcome and encouraged to talk during this time as much as you want. This is the only legitimate solution I can see so far. if Isa, yaya, or anyone else in the dead thread comes up with a better idea, I'll let you know.


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You guys should get suspended more often so the deadline keeps getting extended.
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'Harumbai' said:
It is common to have 2 doctors even if one has a limited number of saves? Maybe Jorster is claiming doctor because it is an easy thing to not have to back up.  
Do you really have nothing else to add?

'snipereborn' said:
Here, you just take opportunities to call me anti town with no reason at all. What does you not being a legit doctor have to do with me?
Actually I was responding to two different things you said in two different sentences. Do you forgot what you previously wrote or something?

'snipereborn' said:
Or, he just didn't want to be obvious. Which is more likely, he doubted his own sanity, or he wanted to avoid dying?
Nope. This does not add up. So Yaya obtains this vital information and then decides it would be best to be discreet about it? I've never seen ANY cop do that. Also I don't believe he ever went against me later on in that day when I kept maintaining you were scum.

All this cop BS in itself is WIFOM. The worst part is it doesn't even add up and you're still maintaining it. Assume the following:

A police officer on regular patrol spots a man stabbing someone. He arrests the man, it goes to court and all that stuff. In court, the police officer says "it was probably this guy." Yeah. That's not gonna happen because the police officer saw this himself. If he didn't know for sure then he'd use the term "probably." So obviously Yaya did not believe beyond a reasonable doubt that you are aligned with the town. His use of the word "probably" shows the doubt he has.

You can now shut up. Enough WIFOM from you.

'snipereborn' said:
Here, he just dodges and lies some more. His entire argument is that "probably" means that is 100% not a breadcrumb and never ever is. Really? You seem awfully certain you know exactly what someone else was thinking, even though there is no history of what you're saying being true.
It's illogical. You're gonna need a link to a game on mafia scum if you want to convince me.

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So I correctly guessed what happened and you don't like it? This is the worst excuse of all time. You've never once said what I've done that is scummy, just that you aren't so I must be. You've had days and days to say anything intelligible and you refuse to. Thomas is scummy than the executives at Enron. He accuses me of having a fake role when doctor is the easiest claim to fake for scum. You just have to say you didn't protect the people that died. You've contributed basically nothing the entire game and now that the deadline in lylo is coming up, you suddenly have everything in the world to talk about.
Nope. You were setting up WIFOM, I detected it and this is now my response to your behavior. You can see other examples of WIFOM here. In that game, shos used WIFOM to try to get me lynched based on a NK. He later flipped scum.

"He accuses me of having a fake role when doctor is the easiest claim to fake for scum."
Yeah I argued this in one game on mafia scum once but you need to realize that having a role that's easy to fake does not mean you're automatically scum. Furthermore, my doctor claim is further reinforced by the fact that I am unable to be lynched on days after I protect myself. This has been proven. Jorster claimeed doctor and you're not all over him "when doctor is the easiest claim to fake for scum." This is not consistent.

Now I was arguing about the doctor role in a game where there was role like the one you have claimed. But if doctor is easy to fake, your claim is FIVE TIMES easier to fake.

"You've contributed basically nothing the entire game and now that the deadline in lylo is coming up, you suddenly have everything in the world to talk about."
... and I've been consistent with that throughout games. I don't see your point here for that reason. Open 354; Newbie 1149; Mafia 3,5; HatXC Mafia Day 4.... Yeah, I don't see your point. I've always been more active towards the end and in 3 player lylo situations and stuff.
Harumbai
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Tuesday, October 30 2012, 2:38 am EST
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'Thomas' said:
'Harumbai' said:
It is common to have 2 doctors even if one has a limited number of saves? Maybe Jorster is claiming doctor because it is an easy thing to not have to back up.  
Do you really have nothing else to add?
Not really, I am busy studying for exams so I'm hardly concentrating on this game at all. Also I've just grown sick of the players in the game I'm afraid, lynch them all I say.

Um Thomas about the cop thing, I did that remember? I got a mafia read, wasn't sure if I was right so didn't really do anything and then was killed. I threw around words like probably because I didn't want to get night killed, which ultimately failed, but whatever, I don't know that you need to be quite so sure that that wasn't Yaya's way of saying that Sniper is town.


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Jorster
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Tuesday, October 30 2012, 6:15 pm EST
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Apologies for not being active, Been grounded

I think I'm going to Vote: Thomas for lying about his role, which doesn't sem very smart to me. Also, Why are you people asking me to claim? Seriously...


Thomas
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Tuesday, October 30 2012, 10:15 pm EST
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If you had read the thread you would have seen (1) that votes at this time do not count and (2) that we are doing a mass claim.
Jorster
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Wednesday, October 31 2012, 11:01 am EST
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Note to Thomas:
I already claimed
Second not to everyone:
I thought that Shos said votes against Flash didn't count, so I must've misread it


snipereborn
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Wednesday, October 31 2012, 12:28 pm EST
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'Thomas' said:
Actually I was responding to two different things you said in two different sentences. Do you forgot what you previously wrote or something?

If anyone knows what thomas was referring to, please tell me because I don't know and he clearly isn't going to clarify.
'Thomas' said:
A police officer on regular patrol spots a man stabbing someone. He arrests the man, it goes to court and all that stuff. In court, the police officer says "it was probably this guy." Yeah. That's not gonna happen because the police officer saw this himself. If he didn't know for sure then he'd use the term "probably." So obviously Yaya did not believe beyond a reasonable doubt that you are aligned with the town. His use of the word "probably" shows the doubt he has.
This is dumb. In real life, a cop doesn't have to worry about being the target of a mafia nk or being voted to be lynched. A real cop also has a gun and training, so if someone does come after him, he can just shoot them. Cops also vastly outnumber criminals.

You're the king of WIFOM, so I don't know what you're talking about. Of course you want me to shut up, because then you'll have unfettered access to the town so you can lead them into a mislynch.

'Thomas' said:
Jorster claimeed doctor and you're not all over him "when doctor is the easiest claim to fake for scum." This is not consistent.
Because jorster's claim was actually believable and yours isn't. For one, you can protect yourself as a doctor, which isn't impossible but it's very op. On top of that, if you choose to protect yourself, you then become completely immortal?

'Thomas' said:
Now I was arguing about the doctor role in a game where there was role like the one you have claimed. But if doctor is easy to fake, your claim is FIVE TIMES easier to fake.

False? How hard is it to say "Serfo died, I protected quirvy"?

And you still have refused to say why I'm scummy. All you've said is that I might have used WIFOM, even though 1) that's not a scumtell 2) you apparently don't know what WIFOM is. I pointed out something the cop did and analyzed that; you are making assumptions about what the cop might or might not have been thinking. If looking at cop trails is WIFOM, then so is looking at vote counts and interactions between people.

'Jorster' said:
Apologies for not being active, Been grounded

I think I'm going to Vote: Thomas for lying about his role, which doesn't sem very smart to me. Also, Why are you people asking me to claim? Seriously...

We are mass claiming popcorn style. It's your turn. You need to state your role name and your abilities.


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Wednesday, October 31 2012, 5:02 pm EST
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Also Jorster, how long will you stay grounded?


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Jorster
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I'm Weezing. Once a night, and twice a game, I can use smokescreen on a player of my choice. I am town aligned.
To simplify it, I'm a two-shot doctor.

Does this ring a bell to any of you???

'jellsprout' said:
Also Jorster, how long will you stay grounded?

I don't know, hard to say. I will be on after school, as I can sneak on the computer then.


Harumbai
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Maybe it's trivial, but to me smokescreen seems more like an ability blocking move than a doctor. In pokemon you would use smokescreen on the enemy so they can't see anything. I suppose if we are just saying the mafia are dittos then Weezing isn't a ditto, but weezing does always seem like a bad pokemon to me.


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no.


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I'm fairly sure either Thomas or Sniper is Mafia. It just seems too much of a coincidence that both decide N3 would be the perfect time to protect Sniper. I targeted Sniper because I figured he wouldn't seem like such an obvious target.
I also find Thomas's role a bit odd. A Doctor who can not only protect himself, but also gains lynch immunity the following day? That is not a role you see every game.


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'Harumbai' said:
Maybe it's trivial, but to me smokescreen seems more like an ability blocking move than a doctor. In pokemon you would use smokescreen on the enemy so they can't see anything. I suppose if we are just saying the mafia are dittos then Weezing isn't a ditto, but weezing does always seem like a bad pokemon to me.

I'm assuming the "Shos-logic" is this:
The smokescreen blocks the pokemon from view, therefore they can't be NK'd


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Friday, November 2 2012, 7:16 pm EST
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'Jorster' said:
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I'm Weezing. Once a night, and twice a game, I can use smokescreen on a player of my choice. I am town aligned.
To simplify it, I'm a two-shot doctor.

Does this ring a bell to any of you???

'jellsprout' said:
Also Jorster, how long will you stay grounded?

I don't know, hard to say. I will be on after school, as I can sneak on the computer then.

This is super sketchy. You don't know how long you'll be grounded for? What, did your parents just say "You're grounded until the end of time" or something? Also, your grounded and your parents don't know how a password works?


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'snipereborn' said:
This is dumb. In real life, a cop doesn't have to worry about being the target of a mafia nk or being voted to be lynched. A real cop also has a gun and training, so if someone does come after him, he can just shoot them. Cops also vastly outnumber criminals.
That's not my point. My point is, if the cop saw something for sure then he's not gonna change his words later and say it "probably" happened. You should also note that anyone can have a certain town read on anyone. Not only the cop. So this is a load of crap.

'snipereborn' said:
Because jorster's claim was actually believable and yours isn't. For one, you can protect yourself as a doctor, which isn't impossible but it's very op. On top of that, if you choose to protect yourself, you then become completely immortal?
Wait, so you went from "doctor is easy to fake" to "jorster's claim was actually believable"?

Confirm Vote: snipereborn

(I don't know what "op" means, by the way.)

But my role PM has a picture of this chansey guy. He's pink and he has an egg in a pouch like a kangaroo or something and this egg has special powers. It tastes good and stuff and I have such a kind heart guys so I can share the egg with someone at night. That gives them strength so they can't be killed at night. If I eat it myself then I am able to run a lot faster the next day and evade a lynch hence the following quote from D3:
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Thomas turns around and starts running. Everybody is in awe - who knew Chansey can run so quickly?..away.

Thomas has evaded the lynch.

But I'm not telling you this, snipereborn. You won't listen to what I say at all because you're scum and you're trying to mislynch me end the day. I'm only bothering to convince those who are town this stuff.

'snipereborn' said:
False? How hard is it to say "Serfo died, I protected quirvy"?

And you still have refused to say why I'm scummy. All you've said is that I might have used WIFOM, even though 1) that's not a scumtell 2) you apparently don't know what WIFOM is. I pointed out something the cop did and analyzed that; you are making assumptions about what the cop might or might not have been thinking. If looking at cop trails is WIFOM, then so is looking at vote counts and interactions between people.
And that's exactly what Jorster did. I actually return information about whether my protections are successful or not and have proven to be unlynchable. Jorster has claimed doc and nothing else.

So here's the WIFOM you setup:
- Yaya, one you knew was aligned with the town said you were "probably town."
- You NKed Yaya and used his town flip (cop flip came as a surprise) and his words as an attempt to prove yourself to be aligned with the town.

So yeah, WIFOM.
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So here's the WIFOM you setup:
1. You kill yaya knowing he's town. The cop flip comes as a surprise.
2. You latch onto the smallest detail of a cop trail and try to argue that it proves the person you want lynched the most is scum.

So yeah, WIFOM.


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Saturday, November 3 2012, 11:25 pm EST
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Well now it feels like this is just your failure to comprehend the English language. Maybe Harumbai can clear things up for you.
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'Harumbai' said:
Um Thomas about the cop thing, I did that remember? I got a mafia read, wasn't sure if I was right so didn't really do anything and then was killed. I threw around words like probably because I didn't want to get night killed, which ultimately failed, but whatever, I don't know that you need to be quite so sure that that wasn't Yaya's way of saying that Sniper is town.


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