He knows. I used that phrase before and he understood it perfectly.

Well then in that case you aren't in the position, at this point in the game, to say my role is "over powered." You also seem to have forgotten that I am limited to three protections on myself.

Now you don't believe my claim. You think I'm scum but you have failed to provide a logical explanation as to why I was unable to be lynched on D3. You say my role is over powered, which may be true, but the number of vanilla townies in the game evens it out. You are ABSOLUTELY NOT in the position to say any role is over powered or under powered at this stage.

As for Harumbai's quote, Harumbai was new as a cop in that game. This was Yaya's second time and he's read the guides on mafiascum as well so he'd know you need to clearly breadcrumb. I don't know how many times I've told you this but his use of "probably" shows he had second thoughts and therefore used the word "probably." I can therefore conclude that that was not a breadcrumb.

If the above does not satisfy you (nothing I say seems to at this point) then that means it could either be a breadcrumb, or it couldn't. In that case, that "evidence" can simply be forgotten. It has no use. Null.

It doesn't satisfy me because you keep saying the exact same thing over and over no matter how much evidence is given. Should we start calling you OJ?

Moreover, how am I now in a position to say a role is overpowered? That makes no sense. Did you miss the part where we mass claimed?

*not

reminder: votes are now available.

KILL THOMAS

... maybe flash is scum after all?

Mod: can we have a deadline update so we know when today ends?

??? "It doesn't satisfy me because you keep saying the exact same thing over and over no matter how much evidence is given."
Nice observation, what does this have to do with one being aligned with the mafia? (I don't think this is even an accurate observation, anyway.)

Well you'd need to know the mafia's roles to the full extent if you want to judge the setup. We mass claimed but you don't seem to want to share your true role. From a town POV, one cannot judge the setup. You seem to be looking at this from a scum POV where (assuming all pro-town players made real claims), you are able to judge the setup. There's no other way to say someone's role or the faction as a whole is over powered unless you know all roles and you have shown to have that knowledge.

Now I have more things for you to respond to. So I believe you thought jellsprout was scum. You no longer seem to show that. Is this because I have him as town now? So I put him as town because of information proven only to me and you put him as town because this guy you apparently think is scum has him as town? Explain your stance.

You have also been making an observation about how I have apparently been accusing you of being scum without any reason. Now is this scummy? Is this even true? Am I playing differently? I actaully mentioned why you're scum at the start of this day, I believe. This included how you supported the Jazz lynch in this game, but in the previous game you didn't. Jazz flipping scum like that in that last game was just luck so you had no reason to be on the wagon in this game if you were a pro-town player because you weren't in the last game.

Yeah, he uses WIFOM to try to look town.

Everyone else: You guys suck at lylo. Discussion at this time in the game is important.

Deadline is midnight between the 9th of novermber and the 10th. IG time of course.

Votecount!!

Thomas (2) - Flashmarsh, Snipereborn, [Jorster]
Snipereborn (2) - Thomas, Darvince

Not voting: Jorster, Jellsprout, Harumbai (3).

it takes FOUR votes to lynch.

Jorster's vote was cast during the unofficial time, so it is unofficial but is noted above.

It has everything to do with one being aligned with the mafia. Do you think a townie would ignore a mountain of evidence?


I already claimed, if you don't recall, and I actually claimed my role instead of making up an ultra powered role so that townies wouldn't dare to try a lynch. On top of that, I'm not judging the setup. I'm judging your claim, which I find to be wanting.


This isn't even remotely true. I have him as less scummy than you. My scum read on him isn't as strong as yesterday because of his claim. Someone died the night he says he tried to kill me. If he was scum, then the night kill must have been used on soccer, so there's no way he could have known that I protected myself, so claiming that wouldn't make any sense in a mass claim.


So you're saying a person can never change their style to try to get better results? Town won last game, but I instantly died, so my actions didn't really do that much. As to your first question, yes, that is in fact scummy.


The problem is, what to do about this? If he's scum we'll need one of his partners to vote him.


Also, @all, I'm going to my older brother's wedding on the 8th. It would be awesome if someone other than thomas and I had something to say by then.

Confirm vote: Thomas
[L-1]

Then you should explain why.

Well I see the fact that you're referring to others as "townies" a scum slip.

Nope. But I'm unlikely to change how I play as town. I know you died and stuff but you were clearly against the Jazz wagon in the previous game. In this game, as scum, you supported. You have no good reason for doing that. I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I'm not even doing what you think I'm doing though so that's a problem on your part. Your opinions recently have been rather polluted.

Hey, who said FlashMarsh still requires an additional vote to be lynched? For all we know he could have just been unlynchable on D2 only something. Worst case is he's scum with one extra vote to be lynched. I was gonna suggest testing FlashMarsh's role claim again on D3 and stuff but I didn't think there would be enough activity to do it swiftly. But does that crap about mafia being dittos mean FlashMarshScum would only have that role for a day? We can't really test this right now unless you guys are prepared to take a chance. If he really is town then scum can quick hammer. I know I'd be prepared to vote him and I don't understand why, after so long, snipereborn, you finally consider FlashMarsh to be scum? He's been doing this all game and at the last minute you think "geezz he might be scum, after all." It really doesn't look pro-town.

I'm at L-1 so I believe under these circumstances Darvince, jellsprout and Harumbai could post and more or less become confirmed town.

If we test out Flash's claim, it turns out he was lying but is Town, Mafia wins the game. This is not the time to make rash decisions like that.

I won't vote just yet to see how everything turns out. There is no difference between voting now and voting November 9th, so I prefer to take in as much information as possible before voting.

Well I guess the term "test" shouldn't be used at this point. But go back and look at his posts. He hasn't been lynched yet not because he's pro-town or playing well but because there's always been someone else or something else going on to keep attention off of him. His dumb strategy wouldn't work very well on mafiascum. Jorster is the other option and has been playing like crap since D1. He believes, for some reason and he's so pro-town though.

Jellsprout, what do you think of snipereborn's continual disdain of anything I say and maintaining my role is overpowered? (And an overpowered role is NOT a scum tell, anyway.) Could this be his honest thoughts or are they being polluted due to his alignment with the mafia?

But there's three known roles in the game that can NK (SK, mafia and JOAT). You gotta be kidding me if you think the only protective roles are Jorster and his bad doc claim, jellsprout and snipereborn, apparently. If you're really that dumb when it comes to setup design, snipereborn, we'll talk about this after the game and perhaps you'll manage to get a better understanding of this.

Bonus:
My nominations for worst player of the game...
Jorster
FlashMarsh
Yuggy
Shavey Dave
Silver
Conzy
Jazz
Darvince?
Harumbai

More than half the roster.

Also shos should prod Harumbai or something or else I'll just hack his account and vote for him.

I'd probably ignore a prod since last time I was prodded was incorrect so I was ticked off at that. There is nothing to say, Thomas. You and Sniper are arguing futilely against each other when the net result is that I still don't know which/whether either of you is mafia.

I'm sick of all the insults in this game and I think I've made some of them, but it's not making me want to suggest anything because I generally get called stupid or something.

Thomas has 3 lynches on him right? So he is probably not mafia because that would require all the town people to be voting him other than me? So it is likely scum is involved? I don't know anymore.

In your words, now this is just you not understanding the english language.

Thomas, point me to any other game where there was a completely immortal "mod confirmed" townie.


There's also nothing wrong with the setup you described, so I don't know why you're calling me dumb. Maybe you should learn something about setup balancing since you apparently don't know anything at all, or rather your alignment is forcing you to say clearly false things.
In addition to this, speculating on the setup's makeup is a classic scumslip, so I'm not sure why you're so intent on doing it.


In your words, then you should explain why.


There are only 4 townies and there are 5 votes cast, so there is scum involved somewhere.

Thomas, give up on your painful bandwagon on me. If I was Mafia, the game would already be over. How stupid do you have to e not to see this?

Votecount!!

Thomas (3) - Flashmarsh, Snipereborn, Jorster
Snipereborn (2) - Thomas, Darvince

Not voting: Jellsprout, Harumbai (2).

it takes FOUR votes to lynch.

I'm not linking you to any game. There's a role called innocent child or something like that where you're mod confirmed as town. That's irrelevant though. The fact that you are scum means others not aligned with you confirmed therefore you referred to them as "townies."

Who said this setup is balanced?

"speculating on the setup's makeup is a classic scumslip"
No. This is lylo. You're doing this too.

No. I'm not explaining why you keeping your partner in the null-slight scum range or something but always having a higher suspect as scum is scummy. It's something people should know. And you haven't even explained how your random observations are scum tells. Good luck with that because you won't have much to back that up with.

You'll need to elaborate here. "If I was mafia, this would have happened instead but it didn't. For that reason, I'm not mafia." Nice analysis of N1 at the start of D2. That's a good scum tell.

Well there's no hammer yet. Jellsprout and Harumbai have posted without hammering and because I know I'm town, it's safe for me to believe they are as well. Darvince just isn't posting.

So snipereborn, with jellsprout, Harumbai and Darvince as town, you're gonna have to explain how this Thomas-FlashMarsh-Jorster scum team works. Why have FlashMarsh and Jorster been so eager/easy to vote me all game? This has gone beyond what would be considered mafia distancing. You have said I'm scum and that's it. On the other hand, I have named the scum team as a whole (FlashMarsh, snipereborn and Jorster) and it probably makes more sense to one who goes back and reads the game.

Harumbai and jellsprout, you guys better be ready to do a full or partial re-read of the game before the deadline. Take your time but don't try dragging this on until 10 minutes before the deadline and AT LEAST TRY lynching someone. This would be what? second lynch of the game? And keep in mind whoever appeared the most pro-town may actually be more likely to be scum. It's worked for me in newbie 1149 and open 354 on mafiascum so there's something with that...

Once again, you just say "Blah blah, this is such a scum tell" about things that aren't scum tells. Not to mention fail to answer anything I asked and fail to have basic reading comprehension skills. Calling other people townies means I think they are townies. Is that really that complex?

Here are some scumtells for you.

"Who said this setup is balanced?"
Common sense. "Herp, I'm going to deliberately make an unbalanced game." Yeah, ok.

"No. This is lylo. You're doing this too."
Yes. And no I'm not. I'm challenging you for a clearly unrealistic role claim, which has nothing to do with what the setup may or may not be.

"So snipereborn, with jellsprout, Harumbai and Darvince as town, you're gonna have to explain how this Thomas-FlashMarsh-Jorster scum team works."
Except I have no reason to believe harumbai and darvince are town. Not hammering you just means they could be on your scum team. This is WIFOM at its most obvious, and is a classic example of the Begging the Question falacy.

WOAH WE'RE PULLING OUT THE LINKS HERE WE'RE GETTING BADASS

I'm not clicking any of your outbound links. If the mafiascum wiki is so reliable then I better go edit it to say you're scum.

You know, your accusations are so stupid. You brought this upon yourself. You voted me for stupid reasons, I point out those stupid, illogical reasons then it just escalates. First you call Yaya's post a breadcrumb, I'm against that (probably the only person who mentioned that) and then I'm scum for that. You then feel you don't have enough reasons for voting me so you decide to add in this crap about my role being overpowered when that wasn't part of your original reason on page 2 or something of this day. I proved that to be BS so now you're saying I'm scum because of something I said to prove your other reason was BS. Not something I would have normally said. I do STRONGLY disagree with that stuff about analyzing the setup though because it's something you do in lylo - you look at everything.

Darvince is town because we know there's one other mason alive and he claimed it. Nobody counter claimed. Mason is a town role, FYI. You seem to think jellsprout is town, he said Harumbai is town. For those reasons, you need to explain how this Thomas-FlashMarsh-Jorster scum team works. It's not for me, it's for those who need to make a voting decision in the next few days (though I will argue any or your stupid reasons).