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8 - Thomas (DeathBunni X, Isa, Silver, Soccerboy13542, Yaya, Jellsprout, Dando, Harumbai)

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6 - Thomas (Isa, Yaya, Soccerboy13542, DeathBunni X, Silver, Guyguyxtreme)
1 - Soccerboy13542 (Thomas)
1 - Isa (Thomas)
1 - Yaya (Thomas)

With 6 votes, Thomas is lynched.

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'Dando' said:
'jellsprout' said:
Thomas ... is the only person who would benefit with Woodstock being removed from the game.

How is that?


The only person who Woodstock FoS'd was Thomas. I know that this doesn't say much, as Woodstock is hardly a threat, but I don't see why the mafia would otherwise kill an inactive townie. As a townie you benefit from removing the inactive member, because then it would take less people to reach a majority, but as mafia it helps to prevent anyone from getting lynched. No mafia member would benefit from Woodstock being killed, unless Woodstock would be likely to vote for one of them. And the only person who Woodstock at that moment found suspicious was Thomas.
Although the mafia could also be Isa drones, who follow Isa's advice of killing off the inactive members to make the game more interesting.


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The inactive members wouldn't do much anyway. Isa just said that out loud for all of us. And Thomas hasn't defended himself.


  
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That is why I hate agreeing w/ people in this game Harumbai, because it makes us look like we're in cohootz, which we're not. Isa's the person to make most sense so far on this thread, I'm willing to disagree with him as soon as he stops saying things I agree with. If we don't support each other's theories, there'll be no way we'll vote on a lynch.

As for DBX and Silver rubber stamping my rubber stamp, I honestly think DBX is a clueless townie. Out of all not-suspicious players, she's been the one to most act townie-ish, either that, or she's pulling a fast one. Silver on the other hand, I'm more wary of Silver, but still I have nothing on her as of now. I'm also curious of Guyguy not posting much, but since he hasn't been on in 2 days, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.



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What do you mean by 'clueless'?


  
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Sorry by clueless, that might be a little harsh. By clueless, I mean innocent and has-said-too-much? Better? (even though that's still kinda harsh)



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I think we should try and use Captain Obvious' hints.

Fos: Thomas

I think everyone has displayed my reasons in their own posts already.
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I'm just wondering why the flavor was written to conceal Woodstock's identity. If she was town (most likely) or mafia, why isn't the info disclosed?


  
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'Isa' said:
The reason that we didn't get to know whether Woodstock was a townie or not (but obviously, she was), is because there's roles that can prevent the revealing of identities when someone is killed. I can't tell if she was targeted by someone to receive that effect, or if it was part of her role, but it doesn't matter.
That is why.



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Why would someone do that... To disguise a mafia death as town perhaps?


  
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It Woodstock was killed by a person with another role, then that means the mafia didn't kill anybody. So either they didn't select anyone, which would be a bit pointless, or they targeted a target with immunity to night actions. But I think both are unlikely.
I also wouldn't look to much into Captain Obvious's accusations. They are probably just a recap of the previous day's most important FoS's.


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'Thomas' said:
Isa I still think your Mafia and you're trying to take attention off yourself. You just got 5 people FoSing me. Your objective is to kill the town so your convincing people to FoS me.


You didn't defend yourself at all against my accusations. Why is that?

I can assure you that those who have FoS'ed you did so out of their free will. I made a post that made them do it, but I didn't tell anyone to do so.
Again, if I wanted to take attention of myself, I'd make less controversial posts, and smaller ones. I've dropped down on posts, but you're still suspicious against me. What do you want me to do? Remain silent for the rest of the game?

I am going to visit my relatives in less than 12 hours, and I still got stuff to do prior to that, so this will be my final post for this Mafia day.

Vote: Thomas
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Guyguy and Soccerboy, you guys should try to be a bit more active.

'jellsprout' said:
I don't see why the mafia would otherwise kill an inactive townie. As a townie you benefit from removing the inactive member, because then it would take less people to reach a majority, but as mafia it helps to prevent anyone from getting lynched.

The Mafia win when they outnumber the Town, so there is a benefit for them; assuming Woodstock was Town, they're closer to their goal. Why they'd choose Woodstock in particular is puzzling, but I wouldn't be surprised if it really was to help the game along. That would suggest some degree of maturity from whoever is in the Mafia. Either that, or shortsightedness.

But let's not forget about the special roles, abilities, and conditions, either. For quick reference, here's that massive list of possible roles that CSD posted before (I trust this okay to quote since it's available to everyone anyway).

Spoiler:

I think it's likely that there's at least one independent role, but it's obviously impossible to tell. "Serial Killer/Lone Wolf" could be one, but that would mean that either the Mafia or killer didn't kill anyone last night, which doesn't seem likely. It looks like something like the "Janitor" role was responsible for Woodstock's role/allegiance being covered up.

I wouldn't rely too much on the list since there's no telling if CSD made any changes or made up his own, but it's interesting to consider what possible roles people may have, anyway.
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It is very possible the Mafia tried to kill a person with immunity, such as a Defensive or perhaps after being protected by a Protector.


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Does Thomas have any defense against our verdicts?


  
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One thing.  I know that DBX was a suspect at the beginning, and nobody likes to be accused, but she is the first to vote for Thomas.  I know that there is only a 10 days in a day, but I think that it was still a little suspicious.

'Yaya' said:
And I am interested to hear Bmwsu's "theory", he's been talking about it, and says it's pretty big, so some good evidence might be in there....


Now, I know I have made it a pretty big deal, but it real is who I think might be it, but I am still unsure.  If you really want my built-in-sand suspicions, I could tell you.  I just don't believe that they really are true myself (I know, sounds weird, right?  It's just, there is not really any remotely good to judge them against.)  Personally, I just don't feel a reason to say those out loud. (For their unlikely suspicions.)

'Isa' said:
We know close nothing about Bmwsu's train of thoughts, because he felt like it would be redundant to post his thoughts on certain things after everyone else. It is NOT redundant. It is a necessity for us to know what you're thinking, but if everyone just thinks that "Well, he/she summed up my thoughts perfectly, no need for me to take the risk to act in the open and state my opinion", you're not only denying the rest of us a chance to analyse you, you're also refusing to help others act up. If only one person attacks me, it may not be very urgent for me to defend myself, but should two or three persons cast a FoS or vote on me, I have no choice but to defend myself. Please, everyone, don't refrain from posting.


Also, I do agree with you Isa, and I admit that it is a not-so-smart choice.  I will try to express my views.

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Vote Count

Vote:
2 - Thomas (DeathBunni X, Isa)

FoS:
6 - Thomas (Isa, Thomas, Soccerboy13542, DeathBunni X, Silver, Guyguyxtreme)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: Jan 8th, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time
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Haven't be on here lately due to life, Knytt Stories and some other things. Anyways,

'DeathBunni X' said:
Does Thomas have any defense against our verdicts?

He doesn't seem to have any. Thomas, you need to speak up, are you going to defend yourself? Are you going to try and clear up any suspicions that other people have toward you? Even though it's a little absent-minded, I STILL want to know why you FoS'd me and gave no reason whatsoever. Well, after ward  you did give a reason, but it was small and horribly awful, and it didn't give away an ounce of reason.

Vote: Thomas

Also, @Dando, regarding the "Janitor" role, it says it "cleans" up a Mafia kill, so I don't think Woodstock was killed by a Janitor, but that theory is a very weak one - I'm not a great theory-worker, I'm not even going to use the "I'm new to mafia game, I know nothing dont suspect me plz" excuse, because I really DO suck at theories. But it is a possibility, then again, it's highly likely not to be.

And I DO agree that Woodstock may have been killed to make the game go forward... it is a rather mature act from the Mafia. I don't think shortsighted-ness has anything to do with it.

Now, the final thing. I was a little wary with DBX asking how many Mafia there were. If it was aligned to the number of Town players, then if a Townie was killed, wouldn't one of the Mafia be as well? I also suspect that DBX was maybe trying to get attraction away from herself, as it is a very smart cover-up if she is Mafia.

FoS: Deathbunni X
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Vote: Thomas

Same reasons really. I've never been one for super long, lengthy posts.


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I vote first because there isn't much time left in the day, so I can get the ball rolling. Or however you want to say it.


  
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And silver, how would I get the attention off myself with all these posts, plus starting to vote? I just want to get more activity in the game, that's all.


  
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Thomas, I am giving you 24 hour to explain and defend your actions, before I vote for you.
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Un-FoS: Thomas

Apparently quoting somebody else's post counts as an FoS.

'Isa' said:
I have a theory about Soccerboy. He has posted four times so far - first, to FoS Thomas with the motivation that he thought Thomas was spreading accusations in order to make people forget about himself (a very weak reasoning, by the way, as I posted in the other thread), he then un-FoS'ed Thomas and FoS'ed me, saying "No reason really, Isa just seems suspicious...". His final post Mafia-yesterday was a joke, not relating to our discussion. Now, his last post Mafia-today was a new FoS towards me because I hadn't posted.

Nobody has thrown any suspicions towards him previously, which is most probably part of the reason why he hasn't posted more, nevertheless I think that all he does is throwing theories out there once in a while with a very simple reasoning to back it up, in order to avoid the discussion of being too inactive, while not taking any huge risks - ideal for a Mafia member. I'd cast a FoS at him, if it weren't for the fact that he started the actual FoS'ing this day. I think that alone nullifies my theory of him potentially being a Mafia, because being the first to FoS someone will draw attention towards you, which is contra-productive in this scenario, considering that my theory revolves around him not wanting any attention at all.  Of course he may have thought of that and therefore decided to start the accusing, but I honestly doubt that. To sum it up, I think Soccerboy is a townie who's just slightly afraid to draw attention to himself.
Soccerboy never defended himself after Isa posted this yet everybody says I'm not defending myself and that's suspicious. In his post after Isa's he un-FoSed Isa, FoSed me and didn't comment at all about what Isa said about him. He also said how would we know I'm not getting help from IC members. Why did you say this? You have no evidence that I am. Also everybody in this game has access to other forums, email, etc. all ways to get help from other people. Why did you only say I may be getting help? This makes me suspicious of you.
FoS: soccerboy13542

'Isa' said:
'Thomas' said:
Isa I still think your Mafia and you're trying to take attention off yourself. You just got 5 people FoSing me. Your objective is to kill the town so your convincing people to FoS me.


You didn't defend yourself at all against my accusations. Why is that?

I can assure you that those who have FoS'ed you did so out of their free will. I made a post that made them do it, but I didn't tell anyone to do so.
Again, if I wanted to take attention of myself, I'd make less controversial posts, and smaller ones. I've dropped down on posts, but you're still suspicious against me. What do you want me to do? Remain silent for the rest of the game?
You wrote that long post to convince these people to FoS/vote me. You could make smaller posts to take attention off yourself or you could write really long posts like what you did about soccerboy and I and that did take attention off you. After that post nobody suspected that you're mafia and soccerboy removed his weak FoS against you. I do still think you're mafia because if you could lynch one town and kill one town everyday it's a lot more efficient for mafia.

I already posted my theory today that Isa is mafia and after that Hurumbai said the mafia could be backing each other up like Isa posts --> Yaya posts --> More mafia post? if there's more than 2-3. --> Town start FoSing/voting. This is what I meant when I said Isa convinced so many people to FoS/vote me. Remember mafia have a 100% private forum to create plans and discuss what's going on here.

FoS: Isa

'Silver' said:
'DeathBunni X' said:
Does Thomas have any defense against our verdicts?

He doesn't seem to have any. Thomas, you need to speak up, are you going to defend yourself? Are you going to try and clear up any suspicions that other people have toward you? Even though it's a little absent-minded, I STILL want to know why you FoS'd me and gave no reason whatsoever. Well, after ward  you did give a reason, but it was small and horribly awful, and it didn't give away an ounce of reason.
You FoSed a joking post. You could be trying to hide that you're mafia by taking attention off yourself or you're just really Then you FoSed me because of my FoS and you agreed with Soccerboy where he said he thinks I'm randomly blaming (FoSing?) people to try to hide that I'm mafia. If I was trying to hide that I was in mafia I would not even make that FoS. That's part of the reason why people are suspicious of me. I'm sure mafia think through lots of stuff and post in their forum before making a post here.
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HAHA. Oops.
Yeah, I can't believe I didn't notice that. It doesn't count as FoSing, btw, when you quote.
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Thomas, I'm pretty sure it's too late.


  
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Dude, you did not even try to convince us you were innocent in that post, all you did was accuse other people, not a good way to clear your name, I really doubt you can clear it. And, I'm not necessarily backing up Isa because we're both mafia, I'm backing him up because he posted legit evidence unlike hot air and sand like you. 6 people have FoS'd you, sure there aren't 6 mafia members, just because we all agree doesn't mean aren't evil, the week needed to start somewhere, we found you.

Vote: Thomas

Bonus complaint: Csd never put my FoS upon Thomas in the header post.



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