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Isa
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Are you lot here again? I'm still in a very emotional state and you know that. Please, could you just leave me alone for two seconds? I want to spend this time alone while I wait for...speak of the devil. Here comes a very familiar Pawkeet.

...

...well, I see that you're staring at me. Yes, I am surprised and confounded. I know that it shows. Now, take this letter and leave me  alone, will you!? Hannah is still in very big trouble and may be dying at this very moment!

"Hello,

this is once again Armin writing to you. I have very little to report regarding Hannah - she is still in a very unstable condition. I have other news though. I've continued the exploration of this cave system on my own, and I'm trying to cover it very fast. Therefore, I'm running as fast as I can. While running, I had to make a jump over a few spikes at one point. Unfortunately, on the way down, I hit something. It hurt me a bit, but it must certainly have hurt whatever I hit, because I can't see where it went. Clearly, something was there previously, but now, there's just thin air there. A question mark for sure.

Hopefully you'll get this message, because I've came a long way into the system now, and I'm not sure if the Pawkeet finds its way out. I don't think there's a lot left to explore in here, except for a few parts I'll cover soon enough.

Best of wishes, Armin"

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Soccerboy13542 was "????", ???? aligned.

Roster:
1. Jellsprout
2. Harumbai
3. Silver
4. Thomas
5. DeathBunni X
6. Canadianstickdeath
7. Jazz
8. Quirvy

Former players:
1. Bmwsu, "Fuel Container", CRATE aligned - Lynched Day 1
2. Yaya, "Gem Crate", CRATE aligned - Killed Night 1
3. Nebnebben, "Hannah", PROTAGONIST aligned - Killed Night 1
4. Guyguyxtreme, "Protector of the Ice Caves", INDEPENDENTLY aligned - Lynched Day 2
5. Soccerboy13542, "????", ???? aligned.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: June 7th, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time


The day will end without a lynch if a majority is not reached by this time.
Quirvy
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So, I thought that Thomas was independent (and had I thought it a good idea to go after the independent instead of mafia, I would have gotten you lynched), so I was genuinely surprised when guyguy was actually the independent.

So at this point, either:
You're extremely bad at looking innocent in general
You're so bad at being mafia that you're good at it, or you're being guided by someone smarter than you but still messing up on your own.

I'm going to go with you're really bad at looking innocent right now because I know for a fact you suck at looking innocent.

Anyways, if I rule him out:

Either CSD is pulling one over on us (wouldn't doubt it) or some couple composed of one of the following is our mafia team:
Jell
Harumbai
Jazz
Silver

And if we go by nebneb's day 1 list, then our remaining pair would be jazz and Harumbai.

Not that jell couldn't be a mafia, but if he is, I doubt silver is because while I don't doubt that if nebneb put 1 on his list, he might put both of his teammates on it, I do doubt that all 3 mafia would vote in order on day 1.

So it is my personal opinion that either Jazz or Harumbai is mafia. Or maybe they both are. Of course that's not enough to get anyone lynched, but that's why we have the entire day to argue about who's fault everything is (Thomas).

Anyways keep in mind that although we lynched a threat yesterday, it turned out to not be mafia so the mafia were still on board for the lynch, and as a result of this, CSD, you are going to need to try to get me lynched today because I voted third.



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Thomas
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Sunday, May 29 2011, 6:13 pm EST
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I still haven't finished reading all posts from yesterday but I'm just going to FoS some suspicious people:

FoS: canadianstickdeath
FoS: DeathBunni X
FoS: Jazz


'Quirvy' said:
And if we go by nebneb's day 1 list, then our remaining pair would be jazz and Harumbai.
I'm not very suspicious of Harumbai at the moment. Why do you not have CSD on there? He wasn't on nebnebben's list and I'm 99.99% sure CSD is mafia. I'm 55% sure DeathBunni X is mafia too and Jazz is the other 45%.

'Quirvy' said:
Anyways keep in mind that although we lynched a threat yesterday, it turned out to not be mafia so the mafia were still on board for the lynch, and as a result of this, CSD, you are going to need to try to get me lynched today because I voted third.
Ya tht's rly suspicious.
Vote: Quirvy
Unvote: Quirvy


When I skimmed over the posts yesterday though it said something about CSD revealing his role to prove he's town? Did I miss something?
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'Thomas' said:
I'm not very suspicious of Harumbai at the moment. Why do you not have CSD on there? He wasn't on nebnebben's list and I'm 99.99% sure CSD is mafia. I'm 55% sure DeathBunni X is mafia too and Jazz is the other 45%.

That's because he's been flying under the radar. He's not posting very often, and when he does post he's not saying anything to draw too much attention.

List as much as you can remember about what he's done in this game.

Now do the same for everyone else. Harumbai will probably have a shorter list than everyone else.

And lets not forget that had he not made the mistake of mentioning that his skill was silencing, in the last game, he would have probably gone by completely undetected by everyone. He made that mistake and he still managed to slip by the grasps of the town.

And regarding why I don't have CSD on that list:

Quote:
Either CSD is pulling one over on us (wouldn't doubt it) or some couple composed of one of the following is our mafia team:
That whole list is on the assumption that CSD isn't mafia. If he is, DBX is his accomplice.

Sometimes I wonder why we keep you around, Thomas. And then I remember it's because we need town members alive to lynch mafia.



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DeathBunni X
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Sunday, May 29 2011, 6:37 pm EST
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Mafia aren't stupid enough to make bonds that obvious.


  
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What, you mean you and CSD?



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Sunday, May 29 2011, 6:55 pm EST
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Okay here's all Harumbai's posts:

Spoiler:

Okay I'll add Harumbai to my suspicious people list:
FoS: Harumbai

'Quirvy' said:
Sometimes I wonder why we keep you around, Thomas. And then I remember it's because we need town members alive to lynch mafia.
Okay then I'll always vote for whoever you vote for.

'DeathBunni X' said:
Mafia aren't stupid enough to make bonds that obvious.
Quit defending you and your crew.
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Sunday, May 29 2011, 8:12 pm EST
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What crew? I was starkly ignoring everyone but jell in the last day on my 'jell is mafia' rampage.

On that note:FoS: Jellsprout

Still got that gut feeling.

Ok, let's dissect this. Who killed nebneb the first day, and why would someone janitor soccer?

For nebneb it's a pretty equal toss-up since there were no serious accusations, so there is no clue as why to kill him, maybe a lucky guess. Although if someone held a grudge against him it'd be pretty hard to tell, since he didn't post much.

Any ideas for the janitoring? I'm 99.9% sure he's town.

And Thomas, I can't wait till either CSD or I die and you stop wearing that smug 'silver was mafia' grin/attitude.


  
Quirvy
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oh you people...

'Thomas' said:
Okay here's all Harumbai's posts:

When I said "list as much as you can remember" I didn't mean "list every post that he made"

My point was that you probably wouldn't remember anything he's said because he hasn't said anything worthy of your attention. Nothing groundbreaking, nor suspicious, which is what I would expect a mafia to aim for.

'DBX' said:
Ok, let's dissect this. Who killed nebneb the first day, and why would someone janitor soccer?

1st: Guyguy killed nebneb, which is why there's all of this stuff about how it's unknown whether or not nebneb will survive(read guyguy's role as explained by Isa at the end of yesterday)

2nd: They didn't know who soccerboy was up until they killed him, they were probably curious because he was always talking about his role and how he hated it. They wanted to know what it was without us knowing. It's probably not anything important, and if it is it doesn't matter because we won't know what it is until the game ends and Isa tells us everything, or until we die and learn it from him, himself, when we're talking in the graveyard. And by "we" I mean whoever gets killed next, which will hopefully be someone who already knows the mysteries of soccerboy.

I'd suggest you don't spend to much time wondering about soccerboy, because before they janitored/killed him they knew as much about him as we did. Except they knew he was town, and we didn't, although he was the second most likely person to be town at the end of day 2, first being Thomas. I won't be complaining if they take out Thomas tonight, but I know that they'll never do that because they figure he's eventually going to mess up and get himself lynched.


While I'm a little bit disappointed by those posts, at least no one's made the false assumption that soccerboy is eventually going to return to the game because last time we got question marks woodstock returned a few days later.



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Thomas
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Sunday, May 29 2011, 8:38 pm EST
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Soccerboy may be 'Jesus' and we may see him back in 3 days. That may be why he didn't like his role... it's not like mine is any better.
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Oh, I missed this one, too.

'Thomas' said:
'Quirvy' said:
Sometimes I wonder why we keep you around, Thomas. And then I remember it's because we need town members alive to lynch mafia.
Okay then I'll always vote for whoever you vote for.
And what will happen if you suspect that I'm mafia?

It's actually like CSD said earlier, you probably shouldn't blindly follow people.

Although, that might be a step up for you :incognito:



Also I can't tell if Thomas read my post before he said that or if he really just said that



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Quirvy
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man I hate that we can't edit posts: Also I can't tell if Thomas read my post before he said that or if he really just said that



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"When I skimmed over the posts yesterday though it said something about CSD revealing his role to prove he's town? Did I miss something?"
Presumably so. Feel free to actually read what happened yesterday, you know, just at your leisure.

Let's speculate on roles! So apparently, the mafia has a Janitor. We know about Hannah and Armin -- is Armin the janitor? And there should likely be a third mafia that we don't know about. Who would it be? The Pawkeet? a Snowbeast? OK, so the mafia will be told what Soccerboy's role was, but, I may have figured it out anyway. He appeared to have a post restriction. If you go back read that restriction (day 1 he acted confused, and then day 2 started singing bohemian rhapsody), then I think Soccerboy was quite possibly 'Shos' (or maybe when he started singing rhapsody, he was me, so he could have just been whoever happened to be playing HATPC that day). I have no idea if Shos would be crate-aligned. I can't really see a flavour justification for that. It's possible he might have been an indie Survivor or something? Lastly, I think one of us may be a heart crate that could revive Hannah if the mafia kills them. If so, we might eventually have to waste a day lynching neb, which would mean an extra kill for the mafia as a result. I hope, whoever it is that might be the heart crate, they stay hidden.

Are you suspicious of me because Guyguy wasn't mafia? He was anti-town! That's all we can do really, is lynch the people we think aren't town. Anyway, since Guyguy wasn't mafia, and the mafia would know that that person wasn't mafia-aligned, they wouldn't want to end up looking responsible for that lynch. Because Jazz was just so weird about not voting for Guyguy (as well how he hasn't really been helpful so far), I think Jazz is mafia. Because I don't think I can convince you guys to vote for Jell:

Vote: Jazz

NINJA EDIT: He read your post. There's ninja prevention now, see?
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:reallyf-ingbigO NOT END THE DAY EARLY LIKE DAY 1
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Yeah but he might have just ignored the post and posted anyways.

And I wouldn't have wanted to lynch the independent at that point. That's the whole thing I was trying to do yesterday: Take focus away from the independent, and onto the mafia. It worked but kind of backfired.

But it's not all bad cuz had we not killed guyguy and guyguy struck again, I'd have lynched Thomas(there was a lot of evidence from his posts pointing to the independent role) and we'd have been down a town member. Or so I assume. Maybe if independents act like mafia, mafia acts like independents

I was actually kind of surprised no one was like, "Hey, Quirvy, you're probably the independent because you don't want us to look for the independent!"



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I swear I almost said that.

But then, if you look back at yesterday, look who I suggested might be independent. Go look, lol. At this point I'm pretty convinced I have psychic powers.
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You almost said that I was probably independent?

Did you say that guyguy might be independent? I vaguely remember that. Of course, I also seem to remember you predicting that yaya was going to be mafia, and I know that can't be right since you're convinced you have psychic powers.


Also, I think that Thomas should write guyguy a thank you letter because had he not killed nebneb, I would have tried to lynch him as a mafia on day 2, and had guyguy not gotten himself lynched, I might have eventually tried to lynch him as an independent on some other day.

Also, you should post the letter here, because you're not allowed to talk about mafia outside of mafia.

And additionally I'm kind of mad that guyguy didn't at least try to have any last words to try to guide us. I mean, I know that he didn't know anything, and I know that he technically wasn't allies with the town, but he still could have said something.



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canadianstickdeath
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Well, the thought crossed my head. I did say that guyguy might be indie. I don't remember even mentioning Yaya ever, but maybe I did, IDK.

Anyway, thoughts on Jazz?
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'canadianstickdeath' said:
Well, the thought crossed my head. I did say that guyguy might be indie. I don't remember even mentioning Yaya ever, but maybe I did, IDK.
'canadianstickdeath' said:
The first thing I'm going to do is take a look at the list of names a make a 100% blind prediction on who is mafia. That way you'll know I'm right is if Isa gets mad at me and thinks I must have peeked at the set permissions page.

- Nebnebben
- Jazz
- Yaya



'canadianstickdeath' said:
Anyway, thoughts on Jazz?
Well he's number 2 on your list, and if you're so sure about being psychic, with guyguy and nebneb being right and all, maybe you just missed on Yaya when it was really someone else like jell or Harumbai?

I feel like he's town because of how he's so hesitant to do anything. I mean, here we are about to lynch a non-mafia, and he's all like, "wait guys. What if he's innocent?"

I mean he could be mafia, but if he is all we need to do is kill his other teammate and then the mafia won't be able to kill anyone because he'll won't want to.

Okay, more seriously, yeah, he could have just been pulling one on us knowing that either we'd stall, or we'd end up lynching him anyways, either being a mafia win. I do like him as mafia, but maybe it's because he's on the narrowed down list of 2 people, being Harumbai and Jazz, which would make the 2 a team.

I'm honestly more suspicious of Harumbai and the way that he's been able to post without drawing any attention to himself. He and silver did the same exact thing last time, and I couldn't really gather an opinion on either of them. I feel the same way about Harumbai that I did last time, and as a result I'm very suspicious of him.



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Quirvy is right. On the first day Harumbai only posted once and then only started to post after I FoS'ed on day 2 and told him to post something. CSD do you have suspicions on Harumbai? I will likely vote Harumbai later today unless another suspicious person is flagged. But to make Harumbai stand out as more suspicious I will cast a second FoS against him:
FoS: Harumbai
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Well if you don't want my posts to go unnoticed, why not pick them to shreds? Thomas Fos'd me for no good reason just before pother than listing everything I have said, is there anything in particular (and I wont take back that DBX has said little, if no one wants to listen to my points and thinks my views are worthless then they can listen to DBX instead) that you disagree with?

Quirvy I think that you cannot read me because I do not jump to conclusions very often (purposefully last game) and it is conclusions (and often wrong ones) that spark other suspicions. I have many suspicions, but at the same time I am not as likely to focus on one or 2 people. I am not mafia so you will at least need to consider some other people to make up to 3 mafia which there are likely to be.

In a way I'm becoming more and more suspicious of you Quirvy. Wherever you lead the headhunt everyone else follows (which probably includes me, but whatever), but if you are mafia then the town is doomed. Also interesting to note that the mafia kills seem to have worked both nights, but they haven't targeted you when you are the most dangerous leader to them in the game. This makes me believe that you could well be Mafia.

'Quirvy' said:
... CSD, you are going to need to try to get me lynched today because I voted third.


This is also suspicious, like maybe Quirvy is trying to laugh this off.

FOS: Quirvy

Now Quirvy wont forget what I've done!


Ninja'd: I was busy on the first day and then as soon as I came back there were tonnes of posts, don't blame me for that... .


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It's nearly 10, Mum's bugging me to try and get off, but I just want to point out this little thing in Harumbai's post:

'Harumbai' said:
In a way I'm becoming more and more suspicious of you Quirvy. Wherever you lead the headhunt everyone else follows (which probably includes me, but whatever), but if you are mafia then the town is doomed. Also interesting to note that the mafia kills seem to have worked both nights, but they haven't targeted you when you are the most dangerous leader to them in the game. This makes me believe that you could well be Mafia.  

People follow him because they agree with him. And although the mafia kills did work, remember last game? Because the mafia killed off all the good people/the people who talk a lot/keep the thread active/make a lot of theories/etc it got very boring and eventually died. So the mafia haven't killed Quirvy yet because they want to keep the game alive. ._.

Sorry gotta go now, will post more tomorrow (hopefully)
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If my count is correct, we now have 7 different FoS's against 6 different persons in addition to 1 vote for a seventh person. The only player who doesn't currently have a vote or FoS against her is Silver. We can say the opinions are all over the place.

I don't really suspect Harumbai. He wasn't active during the first day, but during the second day he made some quite elaborate posts. He didn't just quote other people are repeat whatever arguments were flying around at that time, he was stating his own opinions. Because of this I don't really think Harumbai is Mafia, though it is possible that this activity is simply because the third Mafia member has commented on this.

As for Jazz and Silver, my opinion hasn't really changed on them since the previous day. They really need to step up a bit.

Quirvy and Thomas have been acting more odd than usual towards each other. Not such that I suspect them, but it almost seems as if Isa gave them husband and wife roles or something.

This CSD/DBX thing also give me an idea for a probably brilliant scheme. As a Mafia member, figure out the role of a Townie. Next try to come up with another role that could somehow be linked to that role. Once you are under suspicion, make a post about this link. If that other person gets lynched or killed, people will find out the role and will assume everything the Mafia has told is true, if the Mafia member gets lynched or killed, that person who the Mafia member faked a link with will probably be the next to get lynched, and the other two Mafia members are safe for a day.
I doubt this is what CSD or DBX is doing right now, because the Mafia's detective was killed the first night and I don't think Isa gave the Mafia two detectives. I'm just bringing this idea out there.


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About time Harumbai springs into action that draws my attention a little bit.

Also, don't worry this post isn't an all out attack on you, it's just really big. So big I'm going to put it into a spoiler.

Spoiler:



Regardless, you need to post more Harumbai, and also you should be more aggressive and come to more conclusions.

Anyways I'mma get to your post in a minute, jell, I don't wanna add more to this already too long post.



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'Jell' said:
Quirvy and Thomas have been acting more odd than usual towards each other. Not such that I suspect them, but it almost seems as if Isa gave them husband and wife roles or something.
I can assure you me and Thomas don't have roles related to eachother, unless Thomas knows something I don't, but I doubt it.

Day 2 I was trying to protect Thomas because I thought he was independent and I didn't want anyone to lynch him because I thought that the mafia might take care of him for us and also because I thought that my post regarding what the independent should and shouldn't do might make him not kill any more people unless he actually needed to.

And I still swear, if you take a deep look at his posts, those are the posts of an independent!

Perhaps I'm acting a little weird towards him because I'm disappointed that his bad posting threw me off and made me mistake him for an independent. Or maybe it's just because we bicker all the time.



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