Unvote: Silver



Do you have any reasons for believing I am scum with Shavey Dave, who has been one of my top suspects since day 1? YOU explain this now. Thomas, you've thrown a lot of suspicions around through the entire game which you haven't backed up (Your D1 vote on Soccerboy, your "Let's try this"-vote on Shavey Dave, among others).

I am not going to bother with a FoS - you guys should know that I already suspect Shavey Dave heavily.

Vote: Shavey Dave
We're three days from deadline and we are currently experiencing internet connection issues where I live, so my access will be limited (posting this from university). I'd rather have my vote on a place where it counts.

L-1.

Also, very many scumpoints to Thomas for forcing Silver to claim instead of unvoting...and actually what the hell, he unvoted as soon as she claimed, and her claim makes her (if she's town) everything but dangerous for scum. She's essentially a self-only Watcher, which is a poor role with the only ability to confirm that another player has a night action. Dando said that everyone will get some kind of power, so Thomas actions make no sense at all except from a scum perspective - drawing out claims is only helpful to scum, and that is what he did.

Townpoints to Harumbai and Silver.

Unvote: Shavey Dave
Vote: Thomas

I was about to stop her claiming, but I was too late. I should have prioritised that instead of my long post .

Jazz in D1 was suspicious of me. I haven't exactly been trying to fly under the radar either. I played a critical role in the Silver bandwagon and the Jazz lynch D1. I haven't exactly been hiding my opinion either.

And Harumbai, if you would have tried to convince Silver not to roleclaim, then would just have branded both of you as scum. Silver's role luckily isn't too critical, so I hope the reveal won't matter too much.

So tell me why it was such a great thing that Silver claimed that Harumbai couldn't oppose it.

It isn't great. But how do you think Thomas would react if Harumbai tried to convince Silver not to reveal. I assume he would take this is a scumtell for both Silver and Harumbai. I am not entirely sure about Silver, but I doubt Harumbai is Mafia. It would be terrible if we wasted this day with something like that.

Hopefully, Thomas would be realizing how poor his play was and retract his idea of a claim - I mean, he unvoted at once afterwards.

THOMAS: What made you unvote Silver? Under what circumstances would you push for her lynch after a claim in a game where you know that there is no vanilla role?

I highly encourage everyone to join the Thomas wagon because this is a serious issue.

@Thomas you asked me to list suspicious posts:



I think this is a good example. "I'm too busy" "I don't really feel like..." Silver is you do not feel like sharing your Input do not play mafia.



Ad the end OMGUS I believe. Also "I'm just worried..." worried it'll seem like bandwagoning or worried some one from the mafia team will die?

Silver did not say "I'm just worried". You even did the quote. It's "I'm worried I'll..." Don't change someone's words and then try to make case on something they didn't actually say.
I don't like silver hiding and pretending that she's too busy (because it is nothing but pretense), but I'll make that case on its own merit, not by manufacturing evidence.
FoS: Shavey Dave

I wasn't making up quotes here, instead of putting "I'm just worried I'll..." I just left it at "I'm just worried..." Obviously the ... meens there's more.

The problem is that she said exactly what she was worried of after that. And you've still got the quote wrong btw. It's trivial at this point.

Guys, stop your current debate and take a stance on Thomas. Sniper, I know that you are suspicious of Thomas, so help me by voting him.

Thomas getting Silver to claim is the most suspicious thing in the game so far.

What's thomas at right now vote wise? Just the one? (Don't want to hammer but any other vote is ok).

Well actually I'm not convinced on thomas. I'll hold off for a bit while we debate and then decide.

I am the only one to vote him. >_>

Sniper, using your vote is essential - it's the major weapon townies have. You are not currently voting anyone, which means that you are currently doing nothing to help town gather information.

That is, unless you think it was good for town that Thomas forced Silver to claim.

EBWOP: Silver is also voting Thomas at the moment, but still - he is at L-4.  

In a way, it actually was. Most people were very suspicious of silver. Now they might be less so, which is good if she's town, bad if she isn't. I didn't really think she was mafia to begin with, so now we can focus on other things.
But the claim is bad in that it makes silver a low priority target for the mafia, increasing their chances of hitting a more valuable one by PoE.
I don't believe thomas has been on since your vote, so adding mine without him getting to defend is kinda shoddy in my opinion.

Omg, I just had a chilling thought: what if shos was the game developer, the mafia killed him, and silver claimed his role? Could that happen?

Yes, it could. A janitor gets to know the role of the one they kill in most if not all cases. How so? You said you don't believe her to be mafia.

Vote now. Thomas will have more to defend himself against if you put up a supportive vote now rather than later - if he addresses it at all. Chances increase that he'll respond if you actually put your vote to use instead of refusing to vote anyone.
I am frustrated with your lack of cooperation.

I've changed my mind. I now believe thomas and silver are mafia and that the roleclaim was set up.
Vote: Thomas
FoS: Silver

Any reason for your sudden change of heart, and why do you think this was set up?

Look, from what I've experienced in 3 games, Thomas's favorite defense is a massive offense. I really doubt you're going to get any serious response out of voting him besides maybe getting counter-voted and becoming the base of all his suspicions for the next 3 days. I'm open to voting him, but I gotta see his response 1st.

I was freeform thinking. Unfortunately, I can't tell you exactly the chain of thought that went there, but I started thinking about whether or not to believe silver's rc and it hit me that the mafia would falseclaim and that it would be perfect to falseclaim a real role that dando made. Then I thought "How could the mafia reliably invent a role that sounds like what dando would make?" And then I thought of shos. That's when I asked about silver stealing his role.
After that I was thinking "How would the mafia have set that up? Would it just be 'use his role if you need to'?" I didn't think that was likely. So then I thought they would have to try to set it up so that their not just randomly claiming. Who made silver falseclaim? Thomas. And it's not like there was a lot of effort in thomas' attacks. Silver was just like "Oh, darn, I guess I might get lynched *RC*".
I submit that even if silver doesn't have the experience to pull such a maneuver, thomas certainly does.

So Silver is scum because Mafia could fakeclaim her role...?

My scum team: silver, thomas, shavey

More like silver is scum because it seems way too convenient that she's "too busy" to play and that a feeble attack from thomas would make her rc.
Then, the rest of my theory falls into place.
Also, the mafia will try to distance themselves from each other. So even if we ignore my theory, at least that much is a minor scum tell.