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Harumbai
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 6:04 am EST
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I'm ambivalent. For now my view is that it should stay hidden since I would prefer to vote someone who looks just as scummy (ie Kooler or possibly Yuggy) and is a more confusing player to work with in general. The lack of activity expressed by some players and their plentiful excuses of why the haven't been on makes me want to get rid of those people first. At least Thomas states has opinion more often and usually better than Kooler.


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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 6:34 am EST

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Yes, if we go for a suspicious somewhat-active confused bagonwagoner (we have plenty) there's Silver, Kooler, Yuggy, and Shavey. The easiest one to get 6 votes for is Silver. I'm not fully convinced on Thomas yet.

I'll be less active the next few days. 2 big projects due on Friday. I'll try and come on some.



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Harumbai
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 6:41 am EST
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I think both Silver and Thomas are Town, but that is kind of a hunch. With lots of people away at this crucial time of the game I can see it is going to be hard to get a lynch. I'll leave my vote on Kooler at the moment, but I'm happy to switch to Yuggy or Shavey if there's a good reason and really any one of them could be mafia.


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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 7:23 am EST
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At the moment I have a hunch the Mafia team is Silver, Thomas and Yuggy.


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Shavey Dave
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 12:45 pm EST

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I do agree that Thomas should claim and I would be happy to vote him of he is the decided lynch.




Harumbai
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 4:19 pm EST
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'Shavey Dave' said:
I do agree that Thomas should claim and I would be happy to vote him of he is the decided lynch.

Why? To save your skin? I think the only reason you want him voted off is because you are another lynch candidate. Also I don't know whether Thomas can claim, Isn't he away?

'jellsprout' said:
At the moment I have a hunch the Mafia team is Silver, Thomas and Yuggy.

Well that's quite different from what I think, but Yuggy is quite possible so we could lynch him...


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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 7:07 pm EST
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Btw:

'Shavey Dave' said:
'Kooler' said:
Okay, now that I'm all caught up, Unvote
Vote: Thomas


Thomas = most obvious scum.

BTW, I would elaborate on this, but I g2g.


Again, you need need need to explain your vote more. I already have my eyes on you and have you FoS'd so and don't want to vote you ATM but my eyes are peeled for scum. I do have a dislike to your playing. 1. Don't contribute ---> 2. See who others are voting ---> 3. vote them (bandwagon) with no (or practically none) information on why.


Shavey, do you think that the points you listed apply to yourself as well? (I think so)
If you agree, do you have any plan on how to change that during following days, assuming you live tomorrow?
Thomas
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 7:45 pm EST
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'Harumbai' said:
I'd still like Thomas to answer this question if he can still remember the answer (I didn't see you answer this question Thomas, if you did, just link me).
Yuggy is lurking badly and does not share his thoughts.

'Isa' said:
My reasons for voting Thomas are his weak cases - we're in day 2 and policy lynching lurkers are bad -, his absolutely stupid reasoning to ask Silver to claim - basically, he'd only keep his vote on her if she (assuming Silver is mafia) fakeclaimed a role that scum somehow didn't get through a possible janitor, AND if Mafia didn't get any fakeclaims from the start. His lack of reasoning behind his votes are also scummy.
Lurking is scummy, this is not a policy lynch. And what about Silver editing the post and stuff? You are missing the case. Silver's claim was fine. It stopped me from tunneling and from a scum POV, if Silver is town aligned, I doubt she would be targeted for a kill anyway because her bad play will likely get her mislynched. Do you think, if the mafia have a janitor, and the janitor makes the kill, will ALL mafia get the result from the janitor? Or maybe only the janitor will get the result. But in the last few games, the janitor result was given to all scum. But if somebody has a crappy PR then target Silver tonight without saying you did then tomorrow Silver can say who targeted? Isa, no, I did not unvote only because of the claim. If Silver is fake claiming then she will slip up pretty fast anyway.

'jellsprout' said:
Really? Because that is not how you usually play. You generally like to accuse as early as possible.
Furthmore, it is never too early to figure out scum teams. We've had almost two full days to observe everyone. That is enough information to at least try to deduce the scum teams.
And the mafia are hiding well...
Thomas
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 7:45 pm EST
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I'm too lazy to reply to all that other crap for now so I'll do it some other time.
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 8:35 pm EST
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'Isa' said:
Okay folks, deadline is in less than 48 hours, Thomas is at L-1 and Snipereborn has stated his intention to hammer (a last-minute wagon on Kooler - because yes, that vote sucked - or Shavey Dave is sounding like an interesting alternative though).

I think that Thomas should claim. Discuss.


Just want to clarify, I didn't say "I must absolutely hammer thomas!!!! Whoooo, KILL LOLOLZ".
I'm not sure how I came across, but my intent was that I'd be willing to hammer. I havn't read pg 10 as of this post. I'll comment on whatever's happened since this isa post in a moment.


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snipereborn
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Wednesday, January 25 2012, 8:51 pm EST
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Better get on with "all the other crap" thomas. Clock's ticking.

Yuggy, defend yourself. What's with the lurking? Need active people. Lurking makes it too easy for the mafia to hide, so don't do it. Thomas is right that this is very bad town play. Sure, if you're town you might get flak if you're too aggressive, but as long as you tel the truth of what you're doing, then it'll come out ok.

'Shavey Dave' said:
I do agree that Thomas should claim and I would be happy to vote him of he is the decided lynch.
You ought to elaborate.
Even if you can't add anything to cases others have made, you should at least state which cases you agree with and why. The why is important, otherwise people will say bandwagoning. Some people might still say bandwagoning even if you give the why, but you know what? Screw 'em. Anyone with any sense knows that there is very little chance of there being 6 strong cases against one person.
'Harumbai, talking about my points against thomas' said:
I agree with all these points, but they are still very circumstantial. Thomas might be mafia and he might not be. At the moment I'm more towards him being town than mafia and this is the same as I felt with Silver. Thomas seems fairly relaxed considering he was closed to lynched.

This is why I backed off when he reached L-1. I felt my case alone was not strong enough to warrant a lynch. This is why I called on the others to help me decide one way or the other.


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Thomas
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 2:13 am EST
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I can probably respond to that crap sometime tomorrow at around 2pm EST.

Mod: Wanna give us a deadline extension?
Thomas
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 2:18 am EST
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Because if I claim, we'll need more time to organize another lynch.
Harumbai
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 2:22 am EST
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'Thomas' said:
Mod: Wanna give us a deadline extension?
I am in favour of this .


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Yuggy
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 2:29 am EST
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I don't have much time now before school, but I'll share my thoughts on Thomas.
I am not sure why Thomas is L-1. For a start he is always hyper-aggressive, so I don't see how this time it makes him mafia. And it seems the other reason is he made Silver roleclaim. This whole story about how it's a fake claim and their both mafia seems to weak to be a proper case. It could be true, but it is very unlikely.

'Harumbai' said:
'Thomas' said:
Mod: Wanna give us a deadline extension?
I am in favour of this .
I am also in favour of this, as I am pretty sure lynching Thomas is a mistake, and a no-lynch is also bad for the town.
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 2:39 am EST

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Sure.

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Shavey Dave
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:13 am EST

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'Isa' said:
Btw:

'Shavey Dave' said:
'Kooler' said:
Okay, now that I'm all caught up, Unvote
Vote: Thomas


Thomas = most obvious scum.

BTW, I would elaborate on this, but I g2g.


Again, you need need need to explain your vote more. I already have my eyes on you and have you FoS'd so and don't want to vote you ATM but my eyes are peeled for scum. I do have a dislike to your playing. 1. Don't contribute ---> 2. See who others are voting ---> 3. vote them (bandwagon) with no (or practically none) information on why.


Shavey, do you think that the points you listed apply to yourself as well? (I think so)
If you agree, do you have any plan on how to change that during following days, assuming you live tomorrow?


I do agree. I dislike my playing style and am going to have a look at Mafiascum.




Shavey Dave
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:15 am EST

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Actually I'm just looking at a different site. A guide.




Thomas
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:39 am EST
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Wait, there's a guide on the internet explaining how to NOT lurk on a forum?
Harumbai
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:43 am EST
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Isn't that the one you read Thomas? Sometime after you joined the Interguild?


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Thomas
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:57 am EST
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No, I never did and I think I clearly indicated in my last post that I did not know such a guide existed. In 2009 I never really followed anything on this site and from February - July 2010 I took a break from a lot of sites on the internet (including IceCaves). I'm pretty sure I still came on the internet to program though and that may have been when I was making a website for this thing for my dad. When I returned I guess I sort of followed things more and now I have a big ego here so I have no reason to lurk. I have better things to do than post in forum games though which is why I ignore most of those topics.

Anyway, we better get back on topic before random people post here thinking this is random chat.
Shavey Dave
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Thursday, January 26 2012, 12:49 pm EST

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I just searched how to play mafia into google I think *reading*.




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Alright I had just a few more paragraphs to raffle through. I'm finished reading and seek more. Google.  




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Thursday, January 26 2012, 2:47 pm EST

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I'm extremely confused. Why are you bothering telling us this? It just makes you seem like you're trying hard to fit in.



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Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:46 pm EST
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'Isa' said:
Do you think that we should lynch everyone who is ran up to L-1? Do you think that we should actively avoid putting people at L-1 because it signifies that we would lynch them?
Moreover, we can safely assume that Shos was killed by a Janitor, as one has appeared in many previous games on here (it's more plausible than any other theory). This means Mafia would get to know what role Shos has so that they could use his role as a fakeclaim. Therefore, you shouldn't trust anyone with their claim, especially if they're such a non-significant role as a self-watcher.
You contradict yourself when you say that if you unvote everyone who comes up to L-1 we'd never get a lynch, then immediately after the claim unvote. Not only is it poor play in itself to demand a claim and then unvote once you get it (ask shos, I gave him lots of flak for this in our recently finished Mafiascum game), but it also smells funny when you unvote because it means that we're EVEN further from a lynch. ESPECIALLY when you follow this up with a vote on Soccerboy, who has no momentum against him. It's like you don't even want a lynch!
No to both. I think I already said this but I usually always believe a claim at first and somebody like Silver is way more likely to screw up pretending to have a role and fake claiming than somebody like jellsprout. I unvoted because i believe the claim (for now) and it's not that I don't want a lynch, I will then go after someone else.

'Isa' said:
Silver wouldn't have been lynched if she had provided thoughts on the game instead of claiming, and seeing as Harumbai unvoted before she claimed, I think support for her wagon would die out. The claim was unneeded, again.
Your last sentence makes no sense. SILVER IS NOT A POWERFUL PR. Instead, the chances have now increased that we'll see a night kill that hits a powerful role.
But she didn't provide any thoughts on the game and SHE even suggested that she should claim. She was actively posting in other threads on the site and no content here after MANY requests/demands for content.

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