But I guess my contributions don't matter anymore because I'm gonna get lynched. But I WILL say right now, I'm town. I'm being serious, I'm town, not mafia. Town. I guess I could share my role too, because it's somewhat town-aligned. But I guess none of this matters, seeing as I'm going to be lynched.
Silver actually suggested to claim so this whole case on Thomas forcing the roleclaim is false. Silver offered a roleclaim, and Thomas just accepted the offer. I see nothing scummy there.
Suggesting that you roleclaim is anti-town, at least in the given situation, and I really think that you should look yourself in the mirror if you think that is an excuse.
Claims are almost NEVER pro-town (except when they come from scum, of course - but at this point I highly doubt Silver is scum). The only way that they could be is if the game would become broken if we massclaimed. Silver's claim gives us no reason to believe that we could possibly have a massclaim situation as a positive thing. Either she is scum who wanted to get her fakeclaim out (what?!) or town who doesn't know better, and I am heavily inclined to believe the former.
Silver's claim was anti-town and it isn't better to push her for a claim just because she suggested it. In fact, that makes it worse.
But I guess my contributions don't matter anymore because I'm gonna get lynched. But I WILL say right now, I'm town. I'm being serious, I'm town, not mafia. Town. I guess I could share my role too, because it's somewhat town-aligned. But I guess none of this matters, seeing as I'm going to be lynched.
Silver actually suggested to claim so this whole case on Thomas forcing the roleclaim is false. Silver offered a roleclaim, and Thomas just accepted the offer. I see nothing scummy there.
Exactly! Thomas accepted the offer when I was about to tell her to keep it to herself. It's safer for everyone if she had actually started playing rather than using the roleclaim as an excuse not to get lynched.
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Wait... was I supposed to keep it to myself? I don't really get how it would be safer for everyone if I'd kept it to myself... I mean, it's not like it's really a powerful role or anything, or useful.
'Harumbai' said:
when I was about to tell her to keep it to herself.
You never said that, you just kind of talked about stuff then unvoted me.
Wait... was I supposed to keep it to myself? I don't really get how it would be safer for everyone if I'd kept it to myself... I mean, it's not like it's really a powerful role or anything, or useful.
Well if it is your real role then it would be more useful for you not to have shared. Assuming there's a mafia cop now they will be unlikely to investigate you as they will detected as well. If you had not roleclaimed then your ability might have come in useful but it is unlikely now.
Also it is just worse having the mafia know more roles. That allows them to be more accurate in picking a power role to kill in the night. You are probably more likely to survive for sharing a weak role, but the town is disadvantaged.
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Silver, the Mafia now knows that you are not a threat to them at night (if you are telling the truth, that is), and can therefore safely aim their guns at someone else, scoring a higher chance of hitting a Cop, Doctor etc. This is why claims are generally delayed until later in the game and only those threatened with a lynch should claim...and even then, a claim should only be the deciding factor if someone is hammered or not if that person turns out to be a powerful role (or a role that is easy to confirm - yours is, so you're not to be lynched for today at least). If not, the person who claimed should be lynched.
ALWAYS assume that Mafia has fakeclaims.
Ninja'd by Harumbai. Curse me doing other things while writing this!
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So I've been holding the hammer for Thomas for a couple of days or something, and I just want to organize the cases for and against him in a way I (and hopefully others) will find useful.
CAUTION: GIGANTIC WALL OF QUOTED TEXT AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler:
'Dando' said:
Vote Count - 2.4
Votes:
5 - Thomas (Silver, Isa, soccerboy, jellsprout, Kooler) [L-1]
1 - Shavey Dave (Yaya)
1 - soccerboy (Thomas)
1 - Kooler (Harumbai)
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: January 26, 2012, 11:59PM Interguild Time.
I'm starting with this just to note the state of people voting Thomas and those not. I'm pretty sure he's still L-1 as of this writing.
'snipereborn' said:
Wow, L-1? Soccer, you should have said something. I didn't even notice that.
Everyone who is voting thomas should giver their reasons. Then, thomas should be allowed to comment. I'm going to bring thomas out of hammer range for the moment and for that reason. I will also give my reasons for voting; just consider my vote to be there with less risk of something stupid happening (especially since we have some people who like to wagon).
This is not a sign of support for thomas. I'll hammer if I am convinced he's scum.
Unvote
My reasons for Thomas as scum:
1. Hyper-aggressiveness. Scum hunting is one thing. Using birdshot in a crowded room is another.
2. Misrepresentation. This is more than the "he made a bad case against [blah]" version. This is misleading the town with either poorly formed or easily misunderstood "evidence" against another player. He did this twice that I can recall, once against soccer on D1, once on me just now. We might find more if we look through the posts in depth.
3. Probable scum activity. On D1, thomas goes at silver for raging. Silver doesn't really react except to rage some more. On D2, thomas goes at silver for lurking. Silver almost immediately roleclaims. That is very inconsistent. To this point, that is more a Silver scumtell than a thomas scumtell, but anyone who read my "silver stole shos' role" theory knows why thomas gets a scumtell.
Responses?
NINJA'd
'snipereborn' said:
Ah, another reason:
4. Pseudo-quoting the mod. Any information that the mod can gives us should be asked about in the open, not through PM's. I'very much dislike this "the mod said blah" business. I don't see how what you asked would hurt either side, except to let the town know that the mafia doesn't know something. I don't think that Dando would be that much slower posting than pming.
'snipereborn' said:
I was freeform thinking. Unfortunately, I can't tell you exactly the chain of thought that went there, but I started thinking about whether or not to believe silver's rc and it hit me that the mafia would falseclaim and that it would be perfect to falseclaim a real role that dando made. Then I thought "How could the mafia reliably invent a role that sounds like what dando would make?" And then I thought of shos. That's when I asked about silver stealing his role.
After that I was thinking "How would the mafia have set that up? Would it just be 'use his role if you need to'?" I didn't think that was likely. So then I thought they would have to try to set it up so that their not just randomly claiming. Who made silver falseclaim? Thomas. And it's not like there was a lot of effort in thomas' attacks. Silver was just like "Oh, darn, I guess I might get lynched *RC*".
I submit that even if silver doesn't have the experience to pull such a maneuver, thomas certainly does.
Ok, that's my case against him.
'Isa' said:
Gonna break this down for you.
'Silver' said:
Hold up. The mafia killed Shos.
So far, so good.
'Silver' said:
If he was really a threat to them
Not guaranteed, but plausible and not a stretch. I'm still with you.
'Silver' said:
it's possible he was a cop or something.
Here is when you lose me. Shos was killed N1, and there was no pre-game announced. Nobody got to make any investigations of any kind during a supposed N0. Nobody except Shos knew if he was a threat or not.
'Silver' said:
Why would they kill him if he had a useless role like mine?
Again, we don't know why they killed him, we do not know his role, and if you are fakeclaiming, you don't have much of an option, do you?
PEdit: Stupid ninja.
This is basically Silver questioning the validity of my argument and Isa giving some discussion.
'Thomas' said:
'Isa' said:
Do you have any reasons for believing I am scum with Shavey Dave, who has been one of my top suspects since day 1? YOU explain this now.
Not really, no. I just ask those questions for reaction. It's too early to figure out scum teams anyway. I don't try that until I see obvscum or scum has been lynched.
'Isa' said:
Also, very many scumpoints to Thomas for forcing Silver to claim instead of unvoting...and actually what the hell, he unvoted as soon as she claimed, and her claim makes her (if she's town) everything but dangerous for scum.
I saw no reason to unvote. If we unvote anybody who is at L-1 then you are never gonna lynch and never have a chance to lynch scum. The deadline is in a few days so because of Silver claim (which I kind of believe), we can use the lynch on someone else and actually have time to decide who to lynch. I unvoted after the claim because I do kind of believe it for now. I believe it enough to let Silver by for now and use my vote on someone else.
'Isa' said:
Dando said that everyone will get some kind of power, so Thomas actions make no sense at all except from a scum perspective - drawing out claims is only helpful to scum, and that is what he did.
Okay but there's gotta be some weaker PR's in this setup than a really powerful PR like a cop or a doctor. I want to make sure that Silver is not a powerful PR. I believe the claim anyway though. Also, yesterday Jazz claimed to be a troll? That would be a weaker PR than a jack of all trades. Because it was weak (and the claim looked like BS anyway), he was lynched.
'jellsprout' said:
It isn't great. But how do you think Thomas would react if Harumbai tried to convince Silver not to reveal. I assume he would take this is a scumtell for both Silver and Harumbai. I am not entirely sure about Silver, but I doubt Harumbai is Mafia. It would be terrible if we wasted this day with something like that.
I dunno. If Harumbai explained why then I may understand but I think Silver would have been lynched if it wasn't for the claim. The claim made sure we didn't lose a powerful PR.
'Isa' said:
THOMAS: What made you unvote Silver? Under what circumstances would you push for her lynch after a claim in a game where you know that there is no vanilla role?
If the claim looked like BS later on then I would push for I lynch. I usually tend to believe any claim at first but then I believe it less later on based on what happened. Look at shos' claim in the last game. I believed it at first but then I believed it less and less after time passes. By the next day I didn't believe the claim at all hence the double quotes around the role he claimed. We'll see how Silver behaves with this claim but it's really not helping that she's gone back to lurking immediately after the claim.
Here are some arguments against Thomas and his reaction to them.
'Harumbai' said:
'Thomas' said:
Okay I should let you guys know because it would be unethical for me to keep this secret and try to gain an advantage but the mafia DO NOT have day talk.
This is quite misleading as it suggests that you are not part of the mafia when really nothing can be deduced.
I'm still annoyed at you for making Silver claim since we weren't really voting her for seeming mafiary and making slips, but more for just not posting enough evidence against other people. I never got a scum vibe from her and it would've been good to keep her role a secret. Even though it is not a major role a mafia cop who might have investigated her and could've been discovered is now unlikely to, it is a role that only works while it is not revealed.
I've forgotten who I was voting for at the moment, but whoever it is can be let off the hook temporarily.
Unvote, Vote:Thomas
Here's a little Harumbai against Thomas.
'snipereborn' said:
Moreover, (regarding my first sentence) I believe you're the one who first suggested that mafia don't buddy each other (or presumably townies). You want to put any other words in my mouth?
'Thomas' said:
'snipereborn' said:
Also, the mafia will try to distance themselves from each other. So even if we ignore my theory, at least that much is a minor scum tell.
No, this is WIFOM. So if the mafia are buddying each other then we should believe that these people are not mafia because mafia always distance? No way.
Here is my evidence on that point. Stop lying; maybe you won't look so suspicious.
'Thomas' said:
I did not say that you said mafia don't buddy. So you said that "the mafia will try to distance themselves from each other" but what if they don't? What if they buddy each other instead? Because they aren't distancing, is this a good reason to believe they are not scum? See the flaw there? I guess it evens out as a null tell.
Here's a little of me and Thomas trading quips.
'Harumbai' said:
Thomas please READ what people are saying. You say that buddying says nothing and I think that's what Snipe is saying too, but that people who aren't buddying are likely to be mafia trying to disguise themselves. It's not about what if they don't buddy each other it's about how likely the town members will distance from each other.
I'm with Snipe and against your horrid flaming Thomas. Please stop jumping down peoples throats.
A little Harumbai commenting on me and Thomas trading quips.
'Thomas' said:
'soccerboy13542' said:
Thomas, I really hope you know what a power outage is...
And when the power is back your posts still have little effort put into them.
'soccerboy13542' said:
Your style of playing seems to just attack everyone for every little mistake they make.
I only recall attacking lurkers. I certainly have not attacked everybody; only those who are scummy.
'soccerboy13542' said:
Your arrogance makes this game really boring to play.
Your lurking makes this game more boring to play and harder to find scum (unless it's you).
'soccerboy13542' said:
Even after Silver posted her thought, you still continued to bash everyone, insulted her case that YOU PRESSURED HER TO SAY... then continued to try and eliminate everyone else.
Yes I did want her thoughts but I did not want some bad case. She could have at least posted reads but instead that case. You gotta admit it was a bad case.
'soccerboy13542' said:
You're probably gonna yell at me for posting this, then accuse me of voting you just because you voted me...
The way you're playing is annoying me way too much.
Yeah I could accuse you of OMGUS because you appear to be voting for me not because I'm scummy but because "The way you're [I'm] playing is annoying me [you] way too much." But seriously, you guys (the young members who never post) really don't post enough and I have lost (or come close to) losing a game to scum because they lurk and it makes it harder to get a read on somebody when they rarely post. I have been in a 3 player lylo situation twice (I won both times by the way) and in both of them, I read back and I think "Man, it would have helped a lot if this guy had answered this question or posted his reads etc." Your thoughts will help both NOW and later on in the game so post them. What I did is apparently what is takes to get Silver to post. Anyway, because you never showed any suspicions on me until your most recent post which was your first post after I voted you, I believe this is OMGUS. My vote remains at this time.
Here's some Thomas vs. Soccerboy.
'Thomas' said:
'snipereborn' said:
Ah, another reason:
4. Pseudo-quoting the mod. Any information that the mod can gives us should be asked about in the open, not through PM's. I'very much dislike this "the mod said blah" business. I don't see how what you asked would hurt either side, except to let the town know that the mafia doesn't know something. I don't think that Dando would be that much slower posting than pming.
I asked this question in confirmation stage so it was wayyyy before the thread was open.
Thomas' response to one of my points. Sorry if you feel like this should have been up near my arguments.
'Harumbai' said:
I agree with all these points, but they are still very circumstantial. Thomas might be mafia and he might not be. At the moment I'm more towards him being town than mafia and this is the same as I felt with Silver. Thomas seems fairly relaxed considering he was closed to lynched.
Unvote
I'd still like Thomas to answer this question if he can still remember the answer (I didn't see you answer this question Thomas, if you did, just link me).
Other than that though I feel that Thomas can explain what he wants to and we can see whether he puts his foot in his mouth, but basically I don't think he's mafia.
Here's Harumbai.. changing his mind about Thomas? Odd. Why the change of heart here?
'Isa' said:
My reasons for voting Thomas are his weak cases - we're in day 2 and policy lynching lurkers are bad -, his absolutely stupid reasoning to ask Silver to claim - basically, he'd only keep his vote on her if she (assuming Silver is mafia) fakeclaimed a role that scum somehow didn't get through a possible janitor, AND if Mafia didn't get any fakeclaims from the start. His lack of reasoning behind his votes are also scummy.
Harumbai: I started the Shavey Dave wagon, and I started the Thomas wagon. Shavey Dave got to L-1 but it wouldn't have happened without me starting the initial support, I think - at least not as quickly. I was the first player to vote Thomas and by the time Thomas was at even L-3, I had already gone to bed - when I woke up now, he was still at L-3, only difference being that he had been run up to L-1 during that time.
Point is - I am the responsible one for these wagons actually going to L-1 - but even so, why is L-1 a bad thing? The only thing negative about it is if we get a premature claim, like we got from Silver. The Thomas wagon was good, the Jazz wagon was good (yes, it was - the end result was not, though, but there's a major difference), the Shavey Dave wagon was good. Not everyone getting to L-1 will be lynched.
I did in the Silver wagon late, but just like you, I wanted her to post more. I did NOT ask for a claim.
Some Isa against Thomas.
'Isa' said:
Here is why Thomas is 100% scum, by the way:
'Thomas' said:
'Isa' said:
Do you have any reasons for believing I am scum with Shavey Dave, who has been one of my top suspects since day 1? YOU explain this now.
Not really, no. I just ask those questions for reaction. It's too early to figure out scum teams anyway. I don't try that until I see obvscum or scum has been lynched.
I haven't heard this attitude from you earlier. In fact, your usual playstyle is "LIST OF SCUM: X, Y AND Z". This makes no sense from a meta-perspective.
'Thomas' said:
'Isa' said:
Also, very many scumpoints to Thomas for forcing Silver to claim instead of unvoting...and actually what the hell, he unvoted as soon as she claimed, and her claim makes her (if she's town) everything but dangerous for scum.
I saw no reason to unvote. If we unvote anybody who is at L-1 then you are never gonna lynch and never have a chance to lynch scum. The deadline is in a few days so because of Silver claim (which I kind of believe), we can use the lynch on someone else and actually have time to decide who to lynch. I unvoted after the claim because I do kind of believe it for now. I believe it enough to let Silver by for now and use my vote on someone else.
Do you think that we should lynch everyone who is ran up to L-1? Do you think that we should actively avoid putting people at L-1 because it signifies that we would lynch them?
Moreover, we can safely assume that Shos was killed by a Janitor, as one has appeared in many previous games on here (it's more plausible than any other theory). This means Mafia would get to know what role Shos has so that they could use his role as a fakeclaim. Therefore, you shouldn't trust anyone with their claim, especially if they're such a non-significant role as a self-watcher.
You contradict yourself when you say that if you unvote everyone who comes up to L-1 we'd never get a lynch, then immediately after the claim unvote. Not only is it poor play in itself to demand a claim and then unvote once you get it (ask shos, I gave him lots of flak for this in our recently finished Mafiascum game), but it also smells funny when you unvote because it means that we're EVEN further from a lynch. ESPECIALLY when you follow this up with a vote on Soccerboy, who has no momentum against him. It's like you don't even want a lynch!
'Thomas' said:
'Isa' said:
Dando said that everyone will get some kind of power, so Thomas actions make no sense at all except from a scum perspective - drawing out claims is only helpful to scum, and that is what he did.
Okay but there's gotta be some weaker PR's in this setup than a really powerful PR like a cop or a doctor. I want to make sure that Silver is not a powerful PR. I believe the claim anyway though. Also, yesterday Jazz claimed to be a troll? That would be a weaker PR than a jack of all trades. Because it was weak (and the claim looked like BS anyway), he was lynched.
Here we are again. A self-watcher is per definition as weak role, as it will never catch scum and at best only confirm itself as town, but only if another townsperson wastes his/her night action on Silver. If someone has a weak role that they can target at Silver, by all means, do it - but it is still a weak PR.
More contradictions - you wanted to make sure Silver wasn't a strong PR (implying that if she was not, you would push for her lynch). Then, when you secured that she wasn't a strong PR, you drop all support for her wagon by unvoting her.
Jazz obviously fakeclaimed his role. It was D1, and we will never know why he did it (unless he tells us later >_>). Regardless, that was an example of extraordinary poor town play. Of course you'll lynch someone who has a role that even a five-year old could identify as fake. Things won't be as easy from here on.
'Thomas' said:
'jellsprout' said:
It isn't great. But how do you think Thomas would react if Harumbai tried to convince Silver not to reveal. I assume he would take this is a scumtell for both Silver and Harumbai. I am not entirely sure about Silver, but I doubt Harumbai is Mafia. It would be terrible if we wasted this day with something like that.
I dunno. If Harumbai explained why then I may understand but I think Silver would have been lynched if it wasn't for the claim. The claim made sure we didn't lose a powerful PR.
Silver wouldn't have been lynched if she had provided thoughts on the game instead of claiming, and seeing as Harumbai unvoted before she claimed, I think support for her wagon would die out. The claim was unneeded, again.
Your last sentence makes no sense. SILVER IS NOT A POWERFUL PR. Instead, the chances have now increased that we'll see a night kill that hits a powerful role.
TL;DR - you are full of contradictions and poor play and must die.
Some more Isa against Thomas.
'Yaya' said:
'Isa' said:
This reminds me that someone should run a check of how often Shavey Dave has said this...>_>
And is partially why I'm keeping my vote on Shavey for now. Part of your case on Thomas is just him having sheer ignorance and occasional contradictions. No really standout scumtell yet for him, besides making Silver RC (but I could've done the same thing (but nicer) if I was that suspicious of Silver. He just approached it poorly, IMO). FoS: Thomas FoS: Yuggy (hasn't posted for 3 pages/since sunday)
Yaya defending Thomas against Isa.
'Kooler' said:
Okay, now that I'm all caught up, Unvote
Vote: Thomas
Thomas = most obvious scum.
BTW, I would elaborate on this, but I g2g.
This was never quantified. I consider this a point in Thomas' favor because it makes kooler look superscummy.
'Harumbai' said:
I'm ambivalent. For now my view is that it should stay hidden since I would prefer to vote someone who looks just as scummy (ie Kooler or possibly Yuggy) and is a more confusing player to work with in general. The lack of activity expressed by some players and their plentiful excuses of why the haven't been on makes me want to get rid of those people first. At least Thomas states has opinion more often and usually better than Kooler.
Harumbai defends Thomas.
'Harumbai' said:
'Shavey Dave' said:
I do agree that Thomas should claim and I would be happy to vote him of he is the decided lynch.
Why? To save your skin? I think the only reason you want him voted off is because you are another lynch candidate. Also I don't know whether Thomas can claim, Isn't he away?
'jellsprout' said:
At the moment I have a hunch the Mafia team is Silver, Thomas and Yuggy.
Well that's quite different from what I think, but Yuggy is quite possible so we could lynch him...
Jell and Shavey attack Thomas. Harumbai defends.
'Thomas' said:
'Harumbai' said:
I'd still like Thomas to answer this question if he can still remember the answer (I didn't see you answer this question Thomas, if you did, just link me).
Yuggy is lurking badly and does not share his thoughts.
'Isa' said:
My reasons for voting Thomas are his weak cases - we're in day 2 and policy lynching lurkers are bad -, his absolutely stupid reasoning to ask Silver to claim - basically, he'd only keep his vote on her if she (assuming Silver is mafia) fakeclaimed a role that scum somehow didn't get through a possible janitor, AND if Mafia didn't get any fakeclaims from the start. His lack of reasoning behind his votes are also scummy.
Lurking is scummy, this is not a policy lynch. And what about Silver editing the post and stuff? You are missing the case. Silver's claim was fine. It stopped me from tunneling and from a scum POV, if Silver is town aligned, I doubt she would be targeted for a kill anyway because her bad play will likely get her mislynched. Do you think, if the mafia have a janitor, and the janitor makes the kill, will ALL mafia get the result from the janitor? Or maybe only the janitor will get the result. But in the last few games, the janitor result was given to all scum. But if somebody has a crappy PR then target Silver tonight without saying you did then tomorrow Silver can say who targeted? Isa, no, I did not unvote only because of the claim. If Silver is fake claiming then she will slip up pretty fast anyway.
'jellsprout' said:
Really? Because that is not how you usually play. You generally like to accuse as early as possible.
Furthmore, it is never too early to figure out scum teams. We've had almost two full days to observe everyone. That is enough information to at least try to deduce the scum teams.
And the mafia are hiding well...
Thomas defends himself from Isa and Jell.
'Yuggy' said:
I don't have much time now before school, but I'll share my thoughts on Thomas.
I am not sure why Thomas is L-1. For a start he is always hyper-aggressive, so I don't see how this time it makes him mafia. And it seems the other reason is he made Silver roleclaim. This whole story about how it's a fake claim and their both mafia seems to weak to be a proper case. It could be true, but it is very unlikely.
'Harumbai' said:
'Thomas' said:
Mod: Wanna give us a deadline extension?
I am in favour of this .
I am also in favour of this, as I am pretty sure lynching Thomas is a mistake, and a no-lynch is also bad for the town.
Yuggy defends Thomas.
'Thomas' said:
'Isa' said:
Do you think that we should lynch everyone who is ran up to L-1? Do you think that we should actively avoid putting people at L-1 because it signifies that we would lynch them?
Moreover, we can safely assume that Shos was killed by a Janitor, as one has appeared in many previous games on here (it's more plausible than any other theory). This means Mafia would get to know what role Shos has so that they could use his role as a fakeclaim. Therefore, you shouldn't trust anyone with their claim, especially if they're such a non-significant role as a self-watcher.
You contradict yourself when you say that if you unvote everyone who comes up to L-1 we'd never get a lynch, then immediately after the claim unvote. Not only is it poor play in itself to demand a claim and then unvote once you get it (ask shos, I gave him lots of flak for this in our recently finished Mafiascum game), but it also smells funny when you unvote because it means that we're EVEN further from a lynch. ESPECIALLY when you follow this up with a vote on Soccerboy, who has no momentum against him. It's like you don't even want a lynch!
No to both. I think I already said this but I usually always believe a claim at first and somebody like Silver is way more likely to screw up pretending to have a role and fake claiming than somebody like jellsprout. I unvoted because i believe the claim (for now) and it's not that I don't want a lynch, I will then go after someone else.
'Isa' said:
Silver wouldn't have been lynched if she had provided thoughts on the game instead of claiming, and seeing as Harumbai unvoted before she claimed, I think support for her wagon would die out. The claim was unneeded, again.
Your last sentence makes no sense. SILVER IS NOT A POWERFUL PR. Instead, the chances have now increased that we'll see a night kill that hits a powerful role.
But she didn't provide any thoughts on the game and SHE even suggested that she should claim. She was actively posting in other threads on the site and no content here after MANY requests/demands for content.
Okay so what is this? Are you thinking Thomas-scum's partners are defending here or something or did Isa-scum and his partners plan this? It would be hard for that to happen though without day talk. But what are you analyzing? Are you trying to explain why it seems that some people 100% think I'm scum and others think I'm town? I noticed this as well and I have no answer as to why. Or Harumbai-scum (and the others) could be doing this for town-cred.
I didn't defend Thomas because we're scum buddies. I was defending him because I didn't think the case against him was strong enough (it's gotten stronger since then), and we don't want to mislynch again (not saying Thomas is town, I'm just saying who would you rather unintentionally mislynch; Jazz or Thomas? I thought so). Everyone you mentioned defending Thomas (Me, Yuggy, Harumbai) aren't all scum because the Day 0 flavor talked of sending 3 assassins.
I don't understand why you spoilered the giant mass of quotes, I hope I'm not missing the purpose. Is it just for context (nevermind, I just realized you messed up the spoiler tags)? But looking back, some of Thomas's responses to attacks (mostly the ones to Snipereborn and Soccerboy) are pretty bad. Simply rereading a crapload of replies makes Thomas look more shifty in my eyes. I'll see how things play out, but I'd say the best candidates for a lynch by the end of D2 are either Silver, Kooler, Yuggy, Shavey, or Thomas. I know that doesn't narrow it down much, lol.
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If you subtract the bandwagoners (or people with bad voting reasons like Silver, soccerboy13542, and Kooler) from the Thomas wagon then it's pretty much just Isa and jellsprout who have some reason apart from bandwagoning for voting. If Isa and jellsprout are on a (scum) team then they could easily take advantage of the fact that many people bandwagon and this could be why, it feels like there's so much separation between people who feel like I'm 100% scum and those who don't. Or one or more of the bandwagoners are scum and we can't figure out who because there are so many damn bandwagoners. Anyway, point is, there's gotta be some scum on this wagon because I know I'm not scum.
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Sorry for not elaborating on what I was doing. I was 5 minutes late for class when I hit post.
So that wasn't so much analysis as summary. I was trying to consolidate the various arguments, both for and against, in the hopes of making them more intelligible.
Next will come some real analysis.
Age: 31 Karma: 136 Posts: 1307 Gender:Male Location: Arizona, United States pm | email
Furthurmore, I don't know that I'll live through the night, so I wanted to do some analysis of event before then. This is in the hopes that the townies left alive will be smart enough to use some of the information here to build a case against any scum I might have stumbled upon. Also, by merely analyzing the attack-defend patterns, it might make it more manage able than trying to reread the entire thread and provide more meta-information, which is much harder for the mafia to control than their exact words.
Age: 31 Karma: 136 Posts: 1307 Gender:Male Location: Arizona, United States pm | email
NOTICE: I edited that superlong post again. Finally the spoiler works.
I apologize fro breaking the "no editing" rule. I hope we can all see there was no content change, only me trying to not be a page-hog.
Age: 31 Karma: 136 Posts: 1307 Gender:Male Location: Arizona, United States pm | email
'Thomas' said:
If you subtract the bandwagoners (or people with bad voting reasons like Silver, soccerboy13542, and Kooler) from the Thomas wagon then it's pretty much just Isa and jellsprout who have some reason apart from bandwagoning for voting. If Isa and jellsprout are on a (scum) team then they could easily take advantage of the fact that many people bandwagon and this could be why, it feels like there's so much separation between people who feel like I'm 100% scum and those who don't. Or one or more of the bandwagoners are scum and we can't figure out who because there are so many damn bandwagoners. Anyway, point is, there's gotta be some scum on this wagon because I know I'm not scum.
I'm not sure this is entirely true, the Jell and Isa bit. I also lead a fairly zealous charge on you, but I'm clearly town.
I don't know if a claim is the way to go here. We've had a silver claim, now a thomas claim (if we take the leap of faith and assume you're both town) would seriously screw the town over.
But I barely know what the heck I'm talking about. Can we get more thoughts on this subject? My question is, who thinks Thomas should roleclaim? Why or why not?
...And that's a quadruple post. I don't blame you though. If people who came on today, but never posted (KOOLER/SOCCERBOY) posted, we might've had a varied conversation. Seriously, not posting doesn't help your status if you're already considered a consistent bandwagoner and/or scum potential by multiple players.
I'm split on whether we should make Thomas RC. I feel it's too early to have RCing become normal, but I don't think people will lay off Thomas (whether he's scum or town) for a while. If we force him, and he claims a power role, he'll be killed. If he claims a bum role, nobody will probably believe him. And Thomas is no noob; town or mafia, he coukd easily craft a convincing role to hide his true purpose. Maybe we should play it safe and hold off for now, but that's IMO. Don't let me interfere if it needs to happen.
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Age: 31 Karma: 136 Posts: 1307 Gender:Male Location: Arizona, United States pm | email
Srry bout the quad post. I thought about apologizing for it after i did it, then I realized that would just make it a quintuple post.
@The inactives
You have to do something. Seriously, it feels like we can't accomplish anything because half of us arn't saying anything. Look, it's my first game and I'm at least willing to run out there with a pitch fork and do something. I don't know what effect that has on the mafia's thinking. Maybe I'll die. Maybe we'll all die. If no one stops the mafia, we die for sure. So please just talk about anything you can think of that might possibly help.
Look at the major players right now. It's many me, Isa, Thomas, and Jellsprout, now with a little Yaya for flavor. The phrase "swimming with the sharks" comes to mind. You guys have got to help.
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