Deadline is the 12th of September, 7:35 am interguild time. List of living players: Shavey Dave, Silver, Snipereborn, Yuggy, Flashmarsh, Soccerboy, Jorster, Harumbai, Jellsprout, Isa, Thomas, Jazz, Darvince.
Age: 31 Karma: 136 Posts: 1307 Gender:Male Location: Arizona, United States pm | email
'snipereborn' said:
'FlashMarsh' said:
Then you aren't lurking. So why say you are?
Having a faulty definition, it would seem.
I'm not sure if everyone is reading the thread, but I still don't see any contribution from jazz. Is this the same thing he did last game as mafia? When he was town, he just trolled the crap out of us, but when he was mafia, he'd lurk and only tried to give reasons when he was called out on it. Well, I think that if he's not going to post on his own, it falls to us to motivate him. Jazz, do you know what's happened today? Do you have anything to say about anything that has occurred in game so far?
Age: 31 Karma: 136 Posts: 1307 Gender:Male Location: Arizona, United States pm | email
Ok, I just copied the roster and I'm going down it. I'll skip me because, honestly, that's just silly.
Caution: spoilers contain all the person's posts. They are for reference only; my arguments come after the spoilers.
1 -Jorster
Pages 1-12
Spoiler:
First post occurs on Page 3.
'Jorster' said:
Way to post 3 pages worth of stuff when I don't have acces to a computer... Will sart activel posting tomorrow, when i have a computer.
Post 2, Page 5
'Jorster' said:
I'll have access to a computer in 2-4 hours. I'll manually prod conzy as well.
Post 3, Page 5
'Jorster' said:
I agree with what has been said about Shavey.
Vote: Shavey
Post 4, Page 5
'Jorster' said:
Your claim? I personally don't see why you would fakeclaim D1 Page1, like other people said. also, You could've claimed that when someone investigated you If you wanted to fakeclaim.
IMO: Isa=Town
Post 5, Page 5
'Jorster' said:
'Conzy' said:
vote shavey dave
he has been acting suspicus latley
This is a terrible post.
Did you even read all the pages?
Unvote Vote: Conzy
Post 6, Page 5
'Jorster' said:
... I read all the pages...
I agree my post was terrible, and I clarified when asked. He's playing minecraft, instead of defending his opinion.
Post 7, Page 5
'Jorster' said:
'Jorster' said:
... I read all the pages...
I agree my post was terrible, and I clarified when asked. He's playing minecraft, instead of defending his opinion.
'snipereborn' said:
'Jorster' said:
I agree with what has been said about Shavey.
Vote: Shavey
'Jorster' said:
Your claim? I personally don't see why you would fakeclaim D1 Page1, like other people said. also, You could've claimed that when someone investigated you If you wanted to fakeclaim.
IMO: Isa=Town
'Jorster' said:
'Conzy' said:
vote shavey dave
he has been acting suspicus latley
This is a terrible post.
Did you even read all the pages?
Unvote Vote: Conzy
Do you have any original thoughts? It seems that every post you've made is a shallow copy of things other people have already said. I understand that you are somewhat new to the game, but this is just bad. You seem very scummy ATM. FoS: Jorster
Indeed, looking back, I can't find a post with you giving any sort of analysis of anything. We're early in, so this isn't a superscum tell, but I'm waiting for something of substance.
I respond with this
'Jorster' said:
... I read all the pages...
I agree my post was terrible, and I clarified when asked. He's playing minecraft, instead of defending his opinion.
Post 8, Page 6
'Jorster' said:
'snipereborn' said:
That isn't really helping you. Ok, we understand what your defence is. If I wasn't at least partially satisfied with it, I'd have switched my vote to you. How about this: what do you think of shavey picking up votes so fast and/or his seeming eagerness to claim?
NINJA'D by shavey, but still valid.
Shavey picking up votes: Lot's of inexperience, Major bandwagoning
Eagerness to claim: I don't know what to say to this. I think he just wants to avoid being lynched.
'Shavey Dave' said:
Also, if you know your post is terrible why did you post it in the first place?
No editing, remember? I realized after.
'Isa' said:
JORSTER, SHAVEY DAVE, CONZY:
What do you think of...
1. My claim on page 1?
2. The bandwagon on Shavey Dave?
3. Thomas?
4. A potential connection between Shavey Dave/Thomas?
5. Soccerboy13542?
1: Already said my stance on this
2: Has some validity, still not sure. That's why I switched to Conzy, instead of just FoSing him.
3: Not sure. Playing aggressive, but that's his usual play style
4: It sure seems like it.
Post 9, Page 6
'Jorster' said:
I mean inexperience on other players part.
'Jorster' said:
'Isa' said:
'Jorster' said:
'Isa' said:
JORSTER, SHAVEY DAVE, CONZY:
What do you think of...
1. My claim on page 1?
2. The bandwagon on Shavey Dave?
3. Thomas?
4. A potential connection between Shavey Dave/Thomas?
5. Soccerboy13542?
1: Already said my stance on this
2: Has some validity, still not sure. That's why I switched to Conzy, instead of just FoSing him.
3: Not sure. Playing aggressive, but that's his usual play style
4: It sure seems like it.
Reasoning on these?
If you're not sure about how valid the bandwagon is, how can you see a connection between Shavey Dave and Thomas?
They were defending each other, And Shavey was quick to turn on him when pointed out. I believe that that answers both questions.
Post 10, Page 6
'Jorster' said:
I meant Shavey Defending Thomas.
Post 11, Page 7
'Jorster' said:
It seems to me, that Shavey may have a connection to thomas, through his role, that maybe Thomas doesn't know about.
Thomas just seems to be playing like normal.
Post 12, Page 7
'Jorster' said:
Unvote
Conzy is at PaX for most of the day today, but I'll harass him through text to come on. I'll be at PaX for the next three days, so I can go on only after 8ish, my time.
Post 13, Page 8
'Jorster' said:
Seems to me, that Thomas has a role that has to do with Shavey, such as the neighbor role Shavey and The Yugmeister had last game.
Like what Isa said, he's "sidestepping" the Shavey issue.
Post 14, Page 8
'Jorster' said:
IMO, Conzy would be a fine Lynch. He's posted once, in the past 8 pages, had no original ideas, and just doesn't come on.
Post 15, Page 8
'Jorster' said:
He's at PaX right now, with me. I'll spam-text him when were done.
Post 16, Page 8
'Jorster' said:
Const is, I mean.
Post 17, Page 9
'Jorster' said:
Vote: Conzy
Post 18, Page 11
'Jorster' said:
Why is Darvince not active? He's always on...
Pages 13-24
Spoiler:
Post 19, Page 14
'Jorster' said:
Its entirely possible that he gets lynched, and then comes back as a Gengar (Ghost Pokemon) or something of the like.
I'm going to post my thoughts when on a computer
Post 20, Page 14
'Jorster' said:
Also, you people do know that you don't have to say the name of who you're un-voting, right?
Post 21, Page 15
'Jorster' said:
Flash is really starting to tick me off. Stop insulting people.
Post 22, Page 15
'Jorster' said:
'Isa' said:
'FlashMarsh' said:
I annoy Jell, and Jell annoys me. I guess it's an infinite cycle.
You can still handle it without showing your annoyance off, while politely telling Jell what bothers you rather than "Oh God, this guy is such a jerk" reactions.
This^
Post 23, Page 17
'Jorster' said:
School started yesterday, so I won't be as active.
Post 24, Page 17
'Jorster' said:
I agree with Thomas being scummy, and my vote I forgot to change from flash is doing nothing, so Unvote: Flash
Vote: Thomas
Post 25, Page 17
'Jorster' said:
Nah, I saw the votecount, which reminded me my vote was on flash from when I voted Conzy, and I've said earlier, that Thomas is just playing badly.
Post 26, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
'Thomas' said:
You you're right. He should explain that as well instead of pulling BS out of his rear end.
wait, what? Explain.
Post 27, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
Overall aggressiveness (more so than last game)
Everyone is scum until proven town
major inactivity
Post 28, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
Major was too severe of a word for that. Although you do seem to have convinced me to back off for a bit, and wait to see how this plays out. Unvote: Thomas
Post 29, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
Although, I'm in high school, and I'm plenty active. I'm also not one of the inactive players here, as you just said. This applies to me as well:
'Thomas' said:
I'm not even inactive and have not received a prod in the game or been on V/LA
Post 30, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
So many posts
You also have been about half as active as you have in previous games.
Post 31, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
I keep thinking of more stuff after I read you big post, so last post until someone else posts. I hope.
The reason people think I'm not as active, is because I lurk, and add things in as I see fit. That's how I played last game, that's how I'm playing this game.
Post 32, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
Again, its a giant pain to post a huge list on a touch screen keyboard. When I get on a computer (tomorrow after school?) I'll post a huge list, if that's what you want.
Post 33, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
Also,
Flash vs Jellsprout - people don't automatically vote Flash.
Jorster vs Thomas - Soccer automatically votes Jorster. Seems legit.
I'd also like Darvince to make use of his online-ness and post stuff.
Post 34, Page 18
'Jorster' said:
So apparently knowing when to back off is sketchy? That doesn't make any sense. I unvoted Thomas because he had a stronger argument than I had against him. Therefore I backed off.
If you're in a fight, and your only weapon is a graham cracker, and the other person has a gun, do you back off?
Post 35, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
Thomas, what part about I lurk, and post when I see fit do you not get?
I think that good lynches right now are
Darvince
Jazz
Post 36, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
If we can't agree on a good lynch. (I think it's called a policy lynch?)
Post 37, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
If you only lurk. I lurk, and post. I post more than other people (Darvince, Yuggy, Jazz, etc.)
Post 38, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
What is classified as lurking? I don't post unless:
A. I see something I want to comment on
B. I want to gore
C. I'm called out on something.
Post 38, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
'Thomas' said:
Mod: Prod Jorster, Yuggy, Silver and jazz please.
Always the same people?
Also, we need a vote count.
Jorster is now ignoring the thread apparently after people began attacking him. Scum points for that.
...
'Shavey Dave' said:
Either a Jell or Thomas lynch might end with a positive outcome but I can't guarantee it.
I agree with this as well.
Post 39, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
Although, I'd prefer a Thomas lynch to a jellsprout lynch.
Post 40, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
I meant to say Vote, not gore. Stupid autocorrect
Darvince, for someone who is on 11 hours a day, you don't really post.
Post 41, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
'Thomas' said:
Mod: Prod Jorster, Yuggy, Silver and jazz please.
Always the same people?
Also, we need a vote count.
Jorster is now ignoring the thread apparently after people began attacking him. Scum points for that.
And, you know that I'm ignoring the thread, how? Oh, that's right, you assumed that I'm ignoring everything. This seems to be you "Pulling BS out of your Rear end".
Also, Apologies for if I mistype words, My "G" key is acting up.
Post 42, Page 20
'Jorster' said:
'Thomas' said:
'Shavey Dave' said:
I really can't see day one ending well. At the start of the day I was fairly active but now... I seem to have fallen apart becaus of school starting and what not. Again, if you aren't voting I think you should make up your mind. Either a Jell or Thomas lynch might end with a positive outcome but I can't guarantee it. I am eager now to end day one and start a fresh day 2. Conversation has plummeted and the replacements haven't made a big change. Confirm vote: Thomas. Sheesh.
I don't understand how you can support a jellsprout lynch but then confirm vote me? Is jellsprout your scum partner?
I don't think that's what he's saying. He's sayin he wouldn't mind a Thomas or Jellsprout Lynch, but He would prefer a Thomas Lynch.
Post 43, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
How am I distancing myself from Flash?
Post 44, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
I honestly Don't know why People think we are buddies. I unvoted Flash because It was a vote I put when he Self-Voted, which was a stupid thing to do. I also don't know why Flash says he thinks I'm scum but never tries to lynch me. I suspect it's because he would rather a Thomas Lynch through.
Ninja'd:
You were already voting for me -_-
Why are you voting me? No reasoning....
Post 45, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
I still feel that imediately unvoting isn't scummy. I go to my previous argument:
"If you're in a fight against someone with a gun, and you have a Graham Cracker, Do you back off?"
Post 46, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
'Isa' said:
'Jorster' said:
I still feel that imediately unvoting isn't scummy. I go to my previous argument:
"If you're in a fight against someone with a gun, and you have a Graham Cracker, Do you back off?"
My argument against that is that you didn't think through your attack at all, and just went with the overall flow but tried to be original in order to avoid copying someone else. Do you disagree?
I did try to be original, but If I wasn't, and said stuff other people had said, then People would have voted me for not bein Original. IMO it's a Lose/Lose situation.
Post 47, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
I voted for Thomas, because He is being Incredibly Aggressive, mostly. During the begining, he was also fairly inactive.
Post 48, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
EBWOP?
Post 49, Page 21
'Jorster' said:
Ah. I said those reasons because I wanted to have some original ideas, Albeit, they were not very good reasons, but still original reasons.
Post 50, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
Top Scum Reads:
Thomas - Overall Aggressiveness
Jazz - Just like what Sniper said, All trolly when Town, Inactive when Scum
Not really sure about 3rd person here. Maybe Jellsprout?
Top town:
Isa - Pretty sure it's obvious
Sniper - Useful scumhunting
Shavey - Provides Excellent reasoning.
Post 51, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
I realize that, but you have never been as aggressive as you are now in any games I've seen.
Post 52, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
Why is that a problem? I'm just saying he is really good at explaining himself when he does something.
Post 53, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
That was to Flash.
What are you talking about? You have been Hyper aggressive this whole game.
Post 54, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
Darvince, I see you're online. What's your take on this?
Post 55, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
All of his Votes so far have been filled with Evidence, unless I'm missing something.
Post 56, Page 22
'Jorster' said:
Ok, I still Have a Town read on him. He hasn't made any slips, or any super bad posts,
Ninja'd
Darvince would be a fine lynch by me.
Post 57, Page 23
'Jorster' said:
'soccerboy13542' said:
'Jorster' said:
Top Scum Reads:
Thomas - Overall Aggressiveness
Jazz - Just like what Sniper said, All trolly when Town, Inactive when Scum
Not really sure about 3rd person here. Maybe Jellsprout?
Top town:
Isa - Pretty sure it's obvious
Sniper - Useful scumhunting
Shavey - Provides Excellent reasoning.
So after everyone was saying jorster-shavey scumteam... you post this.
So if I thought that shavey's reasoning wasn't good... and I thought that shavey looked scummy, does this mean that you are now worse than him?
I still don't get the Thomas overall aggressiveness thing ._.
Jazz is always like this. i'd rather attempt to find a replacement.
So jorster - shavey - sniper?
That seems possible. I don't see why jorster puts sniper above all other people. Sniper's been really inactive this game. Yet jorster called thomas inactive -.-
his only semi legitimate scum read is jazz, but wait! That was copied off of sniper...
I don't think that agreeing with someone is a scum tell... How come when Harumbai said that Sniper was a town player, no one says anything, but when I say he is people assume were scum together? Wtf?
Ninja'd by Isa:
And its not possible that my opinions have changed since page 4?
Post 58, Page 23
'Jorster' said:
Harumbai said that top of page 21
Post 59, Page 24
'Jorster' said:
Turn off auto-refresh while you're asleep?
Also, according to Thomas, my mouth is on my Rear...
Will post more in the morning, going to bed.
Total post count: 60 (I missed one at the beginning, but I'm not going back to redo it).
Jorster's play is horrifically awful, and I didn't realize quite how bad it was until doing this.
At the beginning of the day, we get a bunch of short post, most of which are at most a single sentence. This whole time, he throws some votes around, but not with any real effect or reasoning. It seems that he is easily convinced by fairly weak arguments, here referring to him voting shavey and then conzy.
During the second half of the day, we get no improvement, really. Short, one or two sentence posts with quotes sprinkled in that make them look bigger. Mostly defensive posts, which is a null read, but the defense is just plain bad, although the arguments against him seem equally bad most of the time.
The biggest problem with jorster is his sheer lack of content that originates from him, although his play is definitely generating plenty of content from other people, which is good I guess. I'm fairly certain that isn't intentional, though. So, why doesn't jorster say meaningful things?
1. He's scum. He's using his "newness" as a crutch and hopes so slide by on it. Considering he's been focused on all day, it seems like this was a horrible plan. Which begs the question, why would he continue doing it? He could simply be suffering from most new scum players do: the inability to form intentionally false arguments. I think harumbai said something about this in the post game for last game.
2. He's a VI. He can't really come up with reasons on his own, and on the rare occasion that he does, he can't communicate them very well. Once being targeted for his behavior, he does the only thing he can think of: keep arguing with his attacker. The problem is, he can't argue very well. And so, it spirals.
I still think he's probably a VI, but his play is so bad that I'd support a policy lynch just so we don't have to worry about it down the road.
If we assume that he's scum, then it's prudent to look at who he interacts with and how. Based on his early votes, I'd say that if jorster is scum, then shavey and flash probably aren't. Voting your partner first thing to distance yourself suggests a sophistication that we just aren't seeing from jorster. Later in the day, we can also see that jorster jumps onto the thomas "wagon" when there wasn't any need to, so thomas probably isn't scum either. The quick unvote makes me think that maybe the two set that up, but if that were the case, then why would thomas continue to push his partner to the brink of a lynch? Plus, that would require that the mafia has daytalk, which doesn't make sense for Ditto.
An interesting thing to notice is that when thomas attacks jorster, jorster immediately counters thomas (or tries to), but when Isa attacks jorster, jorster seems to ignore it, apologize, or complain that isa's being too harsh. Couple that with his "Oh, Isa's OBVIOUSLY town!" read and I'm lead to believe that Isa is his senior scum partner. It's also interesting to see how jorster deals with soccer, which is to say barely at all, until the end of the day when soccer starts pressuring him. Could be the third scum busing? Could explain why Isa defends soccer throughout the day while generally ignoring anything he says.
So, from analyzing jorster, a jorster-isa-soccer team seems possible. Of those three, I'd say soccer is the weakest argument.
Ok, so it's two in the morning so I'll do the others tomorrow I think. This is gonna take forever...
It is possible that your opinions can change, but the fact that Shavey made a long string of bad posts remains. The reason why I didn't think anything of Harumbai was because he said nothing else that drew attention to the post. When I see one thing that looks suspicious in a post, it automatically makes everything else in the post look suspicious.
Soccer, everybody has made a string of bad or at least suspicious posts by this point. Unless you are convinced that we play a game with 13 scum, this isn't a very good argument.
With only a few days left, it is time to start working towards a lynch. A list of possible lynchees:
-Jorster. He doesn't do original scum hunting, instead jumping on bandwagons. He supports these votes with flawed reasoning. It seems he is just trying to avoid both the inactivity and bandwagon policy lynches, but because he is scum himself has trouble coming up with good reasoning.
-Soccerboy. He knew from the very start that the Mafia are Ditto and claims Shos confirmed this through PM. However, if Shos actually did confirm this at that time and it was supposed to be general knowledge, why didn't he post so in the thread? Soccerboy knows that as long as he doesn't copy something from any of the PMs he has received, Shos won't do anything to confirm or deny what he claims. He also has suspicious interactions with Jorster and Flash.
-FlashMarsh. He has been playing very aggressive, far more than I would expect from him. And again, the suspicious interactions with Jorster and Soccerboy. However, he has tried to get himself killed so it is very possible that he has a suicide role or something instead of being scum.
-Jazz. Very inactive, but I personally don't support policy lynches.
-Silver. Same as Jazz.
Harumbai hasn't been as active as I'm used of him, but this could be because he was replaced in later in the day. I think he shouldn't be lynched today so we can observe him tomorrow.
Isa, Thomas and Sniper have had some suspicious posts, but nothing strong enough to warrant a lynch. Losing them this early in the game would hurt Town, so I don't want to risk it yet.
I don't have a very strong read on Yuggy, Shavey or Darvince. None of them have been very active, but to be honest I don't really expect Isa levels of scumhunting from them. I suppose Yuggy and Darvince have been a bit sub-par, but not very much.
I would prefer a lynch on Jorster, but I would also join a lynch on Soccerboy and Flash. I'm not too fond of a lynch on anyone else, least of all on Isa, Sniper and Thomas.
When you are comparing my activity I don't know what you are using as a benchmark. Last game I was horribly inactive because I was scum and didn't have any motivation. I can't remember what happened in games before that but mainly due to how busy I am now I can't come on at all times of the day. I have posted every day I have been playing this game I'm pretty sure and trying to post longer things if possible, also I only post if I feel I have something to say, I see no point in posting just to say 'I agree'.
Jorster's play to me is looking more and more mafiarish. At the beginning I was thinking it was just bad play, but some of the backing down and hiding from confrontation and increasingly erratic voting suggests he could be scum. I mean I guess null read on Jazz is still better than this.
Unvote
Vote: Jorster[L-2]
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I'm not entirely sure if I trust this claim. However, if it is true it will be too valuable to waste this early in the game. Either way with Isa unvoting I don't think we can gather enough support for a lynch. So right now I will play it safe and vote for my second choice.
-Soccerboy. He knew from the very start that the Mafia are Ditto and claims Shos confirmed this through PM. However, if Shos actually did confirm this at that time and it was supposed to be general knowledge, why didn't he post so in the thread? Soccerboy knows that as long as he doesn't copy something from any of the PMs he has received, Shos won't do anything to confirm or deny what he claims. He also has suspicious interactions with Jorster and Flash.
I knew from the very start because this game was MY IDEA. I have no idea why shos didn't just post. Shos has screwed up a few things towards the beginning of this game already (no offense). I know that as long as i don't copy something from any of the PMs i have received, I won't get modkilled.
Rule 7: Under no conditions may you quote or pretend to quote any communication with me, the Moderator. This, too, is a modkillable offense. Paraphrasing and "breadcrumbing" is allowed.
One other thing. If jorster is telling the truth about his claim, why would flash be a suicidal explosion user? If Jorster is weezing, what would flash be? Unless shos was like.... use ALL THE EXPLODING POKEMONZZZZZZ.
That just doesn't make sense to me.
Unvote: Jorster
for now, i believe the claim. unless he does something else REALLY suspicious.
ummm i'll blacklist jazz lol and uhm. vote: jazz
ninja'd by flash.
oh well. i don't mind being the hammer lol
'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
aannndddd that's a lynch. Well I guess snipereborn will have to wait with his analysis of players. But like the last game, I'm gonna believe Jorster's claim for now. If it's BS then we'll find out in the future, anyway and lynch.