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soccerboy13542
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:23 am EST
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I would suggest you start with the play of Jorster


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
snipereborn
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'snipereborn' said:
'FlashMarsh' said:
Then you aren't lurking. So why say you are?

Having a faulty definition, it would seem.

I'm not sure if everyone is reading the thread, but I still don't see any contribution from jazz. Is this the same thing he did last game as mafia? When he was town, he just trolled the crap out of us, but when he was mafia, he'd lurk and only tried to give reasons when he was called out on it. Well, I think that if he's not going to post on his own, it falls to us to motivate him. Jazz, do you know what's happened today? Do you have anything to say about anything that has occurred in game so far?

That was yesterday, if I'm not wrong.


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Darvince
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:45 am EST
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Oh hey, it's sniper. Nice posts. *NOTE: I AM NOW SLEEPING, SO DON'T COMPLAIN THAT I'M NOT REPLYING TO YOUR CURRENT ARGUMENT OVER THE NEXT 10-12 HOURS*


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Jorster
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Turn off auto-refresh while you're asleep?

Also, according to Thomas, my mouth is on my Rear...
Will post more in the morning, going to bed.


snipereborn
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 4:35 am EST
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Ok, I just copied the roster and I'm going down it. I'll skip me because, honestly, that's just silly.

Caution: spoilers contain all the person's posts. They are for reference only; my arguments come after the spoilers.

1   -Jorster
Pages 1-12
Spoiler:

Pages 13-24
Spoiler:

Total post count: 60 (I missed one at the beginning, but I'm not going back to redo it).
Jorster's play is horrifically awful, and I didn't realize quite how bad it was until doing this.
At the beginning of the day, we get a bunch of short post, most of which are at most a single sentence. This whole time, he throws some votes around, but not with any real effect or reasoning. It seems that he is easily convinced by fairly weak arguments, here referring to him voting shavey and then conzy.
During the second half of the day, we get no improvement, really. Short, one or two sentence posts with quotes sprinkled in that make them look bigger. Mostly defensive posts, which is a null read, but the defense is just plain bad, although the arguments against him seem equally bad most of the time.
The biggest problem with jorster is his sheer lack of content that originates from him, although his play is definitely generating plenty of content from other people, which is good I guess. I'm fairly certain that isn't intentional, though. So, why doesn't jorster say meaningful things?
1. He's scum. He's using his "newness" as a crutch and hopes so slide by on it. Considering he's been focused on all day, it seems like this was a horrible plan. Which begs the question, why would he continue doing it? He could simply be suffering from most new scum players do: the inability to form intentionally false arguments. I think harumbai said something about this in the post game for last game.
2. He's a VI. He can't really come up with reasons on his own, and on the rare occasion that he does, he can't communicate them very well. Once being targeted for his behavior, he does the only thing he can think of: keep arguing with his attacker. The problem is, he can't argue very well. And so, it spirals.
I still think he's probably a VI, but his play is so bad that I'd support a policy lynch just so we don't have to worry about it down the road.
If we assume that he's scum, then it's prudent to look at who he interacts with and how. Based on his early votes, I'd say that if jorster is scum, then shavey and flash probably aren't. Voting your partner first thing to distance yourself suggests a sophistication that we just aren't seeing from jorster. Later in the day, we can also see that jorster jumps onto the thomas "wagon" when there wasn't any need to, so thomas probably isn't scum either. The quick unvote makes me think that maybe the two set that up, but if that were the case, then why would thomas continue to push his partner to the brink of a lynch? Plus, that would require that the mafia has daytalk, which doesn't make sense for Ditto.
An interesting thing to notice is that when thomas attacks jorster, jorster immediately counters thomas (or tries to), but when Isa attacks jorster, jorster seems to ignore it, apologize, or complain that isa's being too harsh. Couple that with his "Oh, Isa's OBVIOUSLY town!" read and I'm lead to believe that Isa is his senior scum partner. It's also interesting to see how jorster deals with soccer, which is to say barely at all, until the end of the day when soccer starts pressuring him. Could be the third scum busing? Could explain why Isa defends soccer throughout the day while generally ignoring anything he says.
So, from analyzing jorster, a jorster-isa-soccer team seems possible. Of those three, I'd say soccer is the weakest argument.

Ok, so it's two in the morning so I'll do the others tomorrow I think. This is gonna take forever...


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FlashMarsh
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 4:59 am EST

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I'm still pushing Thomas-Jellsprout-Jorster/Darvince
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'soccerboy13542' said:
It is possible that your opinions can change, but the fact that Shavey made a long string of bad posts remains. The reason why I didn't think anything of Harumbai was because he said nothing else that drew attention to the post. When I see one thing that looks suspicious in a post, it automatically makes everything else in the post look suspicious.



Soccer, everybody has made a string of bad or at least suspicious posts by this point. Unless you are convinced that we play a game with 13 scum, this isn't a very good argument.


With only a few days left, it is time to start working towards a lynch. A list of possible lynchees:

-Jorster. He doesn't do original scum hunting, instead jumping on bandwagons. He supports these votes with flawed reasoning. It seems he is just trying to avoid both the inactivity and bandwagon policy lynches, but because he is scum himself has trouble coming up with good reasoning.
-Soccerboy. He knew from the very start that the Mafia are Ditto and claims Shos confirmed this through PM. However, if Shos actually did confirm this at that time and it was supposed to be general knowledge, why didn't he post so in the thread? Soccerboy knows that as long as he doesn't copy something from any of the PMs he has received, Shos won't do anything to confirm or deny what he claims. He also has suspicious interactions with Jorster and Flash.
-FlashMarsh. He has been playing very aggressive, far more than I would expect from him. And again, the suspicious interactions with Jorster and Soccerboy. However, he has tried to get himself killed so it is very possible that he has a suicide role or something instead of being scum.
-Jazz. Very inactive, but I personally don't support policy lynches.
-Silver. Same as Jazz.

Harumbai hasn't been as active as I'm used of him, but this could be because he was replaced in later in the day. I think he shouldn't be lynched today so we can observe him tomorrow.
Isa, Thomas and Sniper have had some suspicious posts, but nothing strong enough to warrant a lynch. Losing them this early in the game would hurt Town, so I don't want to risk it yet.
I don't have a very strong read on Yuggy, Shavey or Darvince. None of them have been very active, but to be honest I don't really expect Isa levels of scumhunting from them. I suppose Yuggy and Darvince have been a bit sub-par, but not very much.

I would prefer a lynch on Jorster, but I would also join a lynch on Soccerboy and Flash. I'm not too fond of a lynch on anyone else, least of all on Isa, Sniper and Thomas.


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Harumbai
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 6:33 am EST
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When you are comparing my activity I don't know what you are using as a benchmark. Last game I was horribly inactive because I was scum and didn't have any motivation. I can't remember what happened in games before that but mainly due to how busy I am now I can't come on at all times of the day. I have posted every day I have been playing this game I'm pretty sure and trying to post longer things if possible, also I only post if I feel I have something to say, I see no point in posting just to say 'I agree'.

Jorster's play to me is looking more and more mafiarish. At the beginning I was thinking it was just bad play, but some of the backing down and hiding from confrontation and increasingly erratic voting suggests he could be scum. I mean I guess null read on Jazz is still better than this.

Unvote
Vote: Jorster
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Isa
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 7:49 am EST
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Hooray.

Can we get a claim out of Jorster now so that we still have time to restructure later if need be?
Yuggy
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 8:40 am EST
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I have no time right now, but Jorster is really annoying me, and I would be happy to lynch him.

I will vote or not vote after his claim.

I will post more indepth about Jorster sometime when I can.
Jorster
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 10:52 am EST
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I'm going to claim.

I'm Weezing. Once a night, and twice a game, I can use smokescreen on a player of my choice. I am town aligned.
To simplify it, I'm a two-shot doctor.

Any questions?


Jorster
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 10:53 am EST
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Using smokescreen protects from being killed during the night.


Isa
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 10:55 am EST
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Unvote: Jorster
I don't think Jorster would lie about the specific detail of being a 2-shot doctor.
jellsprout
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 11:28 am EST
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Unvote
Vote: Soccerboy

I'm not entirely sure if I trust this claim. However, if it is true it will be too valuable to waste this early in the game. Either way with Isa unvoting I don't think we can gather enough support for a lynch. So right now I will play it safe and vote for my second choice.


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Isa
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Meh.

Vote: Jazz
Jorster
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 12:19 pm EST
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I'll go with Vote: Jazz
For all the reasons said before.  


Jorster
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 12:20 pm EST
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He's at L-3 now?


Darvince
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 12:49 pm EST
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Oh yes, policy lynching jazz on day one for the third game in a row. (although he does play terribly)
Vote: Jazz


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FlashMarsh
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:00 pm EST

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Blacklist: Jazz

Vote: Jazz

soccerboy13542
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:11 pm EST
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'jellsprout' said:
-Soccerboy. He knew from the very start that the Mafia are Ditto and claims Shos confirmed this through PM. However, if Shos actually did confirm this at that time and it was supposed to be general knowledge, why didn't he post so in the thread? Soccerboy knows that as long as he doesn't copy something from any of the PMs he has received, Shos won't do anything to confirm or deny what he claims. He also has suspicious interactions with Jorster and Flash.


I knew from the very start because this game was MY IDEA. I have no idea why shos didn't just post. Shos has screwed up a few things towards the beginning of this game already (no offense). I know that as long as i don't copy something from any of the PMs i have received, I won't get modkilled.

Rule 7: Under no conditions may you quote or pretend to quote any communication with me, the Moderator. This, too, is a modkillable offense. Paraphrasing and "breadcrumbing" is allowed.

One other thing. If jorster is telling the truth about his claim, why would flash be a suicidal explosion user? If Jorster is weezing, what would flash be? Unless shos was like.... use ALL THE EXPLODING POKEMONZZZZZZ.

That just doesn't make sense to me.

Unvote: Jorster

for now, i believe the claim. unless he does something else REALLY suspicious.

ummm i'll blacklist jazz lol and uhm. vote: jazz

ninja'd by flash.

oh well. i don't mind being the hammer lol



'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Jorster
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:16 pm EST
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I wonder when Jazz isn't going to be lynched first day?


Jorster
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:18 pm EST
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What does blacklist mean?


soccerboy13542
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:21 pm EST
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I will not play in the same game as him anymore.


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
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Sunday, September 9 2012, 2:33 pm EST
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Deja vu. I think I've heard that before.


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aannndddd that's a lynch. Well I guess snipereborn will have to wait with his analysis of players. But like the last game, I'm gonna believe Jorster's claim for now. If it's BS then we'll find out in the future, anyway and lynch.

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