I thought it was in the rules but apparently not.... FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion and you use it to make it official that you are suspicious of someone but unlike votes there's no limit on the number of FoS'es you have have at a given time. FoS'es are included in vote counts and work the same as votes do with the fos/un-fos stuff.

She didn't say I was trolling but implied it by comparing my actions in this game to my actions in the first mafia game.

So I'm not following, what does FoS count for?

Nothing apart from showing you think someone is supicious.

Vote: Shos
FoS: Thomas
FoS: Soccerboy



A technique for Mafia to seem innocent is by accusing each other. If one of them gets lynched, they hope people will automatically think they are Town because the confirmed Mafia first got attacked by them. My Mafia crew even used this last game and I often brought it up during the last few days in my failure attempts at mindgames. If you had even being paying the slightest bit of attention or have taken a moment to think about it yourself, you would probably have realized this yourself.
So here is what I think. You, Thomas and Soccerboy are Mafia. You haven't planned a strategy in the Mafia Board, so when you saw Thomas and Soccerboy attacking each other you were afraid that people jump on the bandwagon and lynch either one. You got scared and tried to convince people that at least on of them is Town and you too.

Now the random comments.



Not really, but you could use a shave.



Gambler's Fallacy.



Chill dude, I was at college all day. I am not lurking this site 24/7.

DBX and Shavey are the only two who haven't posted yet.

Aha! I am well aware of this, Yuggy. Sorry for my absense I have been at school and I had a ton of homework for my secondary school exams.

Uhh... yeah Thomas, I was either sleeping or in school during all these recent posts. Even no-lifes like me can't see everything go down first hand and comment on it as it happens.

Vote: Soccerboy
FoS: Silver
FoS: Shos

This is my eyes closed and spun around 69 times attempt at guessing the mafia on random thoughts and brief observations from posts. My really only concrete thought as of now was how Shos blatantly kept attention on "the two fighting". I feel like he is Thomas's possibly-true idea of an "obligatory mafia-staff member". Soccerboy seems to be trying too hard to make his presence known, I feel as if his popular-in-previous-games hostility towards Thomas was to seem like a good guy.

Here are some random quips I've thought that don't have much support:

Shavey is most likely town. I feel as is he was mafia, he'd at least say something pertaining to the actual game in his post.

Jazz said "we" have had a 2-game losing streak. Interesting to see if/how players reference that they're town throughout their posts.

I hope Kooler isn't town. There's a pretty good chance that he is town though, since in the past, mafia roles have never been too complicated, but if he's confused by his role, he'll probably end up endangering whatever side he's on with a mistake.

Thomas is actually coming off as a townie to me this game though, despite Silver's drinking of haterade towards him (she thinks he's mafia/a troll). Unless he learned all too well about how be a well-disguised mafia member in his outside-interguild games, I think he's town.

Silver is acting exactly like she's acted in the past 2 mafia games. Gamblers fallacy prevails?

As for CSD, he's posted 3 words, can't tell anything for now. Jellsprout has been cryptic for me so far, my initial and current thoughts are he's town, but he always has had a suspicious aura around him in every game to me at least. Pretty sure that covers everyone one except for DBX (I think??? Seriously: GUYGUY Y U NO POST ROSTER???) come online and post DBX, you won't live past Day 3 as a player who barely comes on.

really jell?! It'd be a shame to be lynched on the first day in my first mafia game well then, retaliation shall now come!

FoS: Jell MWAHAHAHAHA

apparantly I was ninja'd by yaya, so I'll keep writing. the fact that I was 'keeping the attention' on the two above me was the fact that they were practically the only ones active there, yet. at least, the noticeable ones. I can hardly see how Kooler is town OR mafia now that you've mentioned that. as we've read in the rules, there may be people who are neither town aligned nor mafia. I have known this game, and I can't see how anything within the town or anything in the mafia can be complicated. so no, In my opinion he is not mafia, but I also doubt he is town. Jazz saying that 'we' could definitely be misleading. one should notice these, but, be aware that it could be just a bluff. I agree that Shavey is not mafia. If he were, he would probably read the mafia board before posting here, and understand their strategy, and say SOMETHING related to the game. I don't know what to say about thomas. he's spoken so much that I can't quite follow any specific lead. about CSD's not posting, well, I don't think it's a part of his strategy, seeing as he did not post anywhere outside the topic as well, and I'm still waiting on his response about Gravity Grid.

Oh hey look, csd just logged in, let's see what he says *ahem ahem*

ssooo...csd is not listed in the online members anymore, and he hasn't posted. unless he's just writing a very long post, which caused the server to think he's not there anymore while he's writing,

FoS: CSD

List of Players

1. Thomas
2. Silver
3. Yaya
4. Yuggy
5. CSD
6. Soccerboy
7. KoolerTheFirst
8. DBX
9. shos
10. Jell
11. Jazz
12. ShaveyDave

Vote/FoS Count

CSD (1 FoS, shos)
Thomas (3 Votes, Soccerboy, CSD, Silver, 1 FoS, Jellsprout)
Soccerboy (1 Vote, Yaya, 2 FoS, Thomas, Jellsprout)
Silver (2 FoS, Thomas, Yaya)
Yuggy (1 Vote, Thomas, 1 FoS, Thomas)
Jazz (1 Vote, Shos)
Shos (1 Vote, Jellsprout, 1 FoS, Yaya)

The day ends on the 22nd of September.
With 12 alive, under normal conditions it takes 7 votes to lynch.

@Yaya:
i wasn't trying to make myself known...
i was annoyed that Thomas revenge rated me for a rate that i didn't do.
in the last game, my captain oblivious role just shut me down.

FoS: DBX

she has not posted yet.
better to lynch inactive and possibly eliminate a mafioso.

Lol, possibly eliminate a mafioso is not a reason to attack an inactive, you know.. anyone is possibly a mafioso

however lynching an inactive is a good idea, so I'll add an fos too.

FoS: DBX

idk i was just thinking about the random vote on nebnebben last game. turns out to be mafia.
basing on "facts" seems to have less of a chance right now.

Hey Guyguy, why does it say 'under normal conditions it takes 7 votes to lynch'? Is there some special role you haven't told us about?

Why are you guys jumping on the inactive? At least give them a chance to speak...?

There's only 12 people. 12 is even so it doesn't really work out super well.

Nothing. If you have 7 FoS'es on you then you aren't lynched. FoS is just a way to make it official that you are suspicious of somebody.

Yuggy, I forgot to ask you yesterday but I want you to make a random vote and/or FoS.

canadianstickdeath, I want you to post your thoughts.

kthx Captain Obvious. I want to know your thoughts.

Town can refer to someone who is town-aligned or all players in the game. Notice how in flavor "The town" is used to refer to all players.

I have never played as mafia... I have only played 2 games since the last IG game.

Every time I have seen a Policy Lynch, the person usually turns out to be town. I am not suggesting DBX is town but I am against lynching an inactive person, I would rather take the lynch and use it for a chance to lynch scum.

Shos, that Thomas and Soccerboy are having argument of some sort is not enough to say that at least one of them isn't mafia. Mafiats will argue with each other. The trick, I think, is identifying which confrontations feel "real" or "natural" and which ones feel "forced". Sometimes mafiats might try to avoid that pitfall by not even acknowledging the others' existence at all, lol, but that strange non-interaction should make them suspicious as well. The trick with that is noticing the things that aren't there when they should be, which can be harder or easier to spot depending on how well the mafiats are able to make their interactions feel natural.

In an on-going game that I just recently died in, several people called out somebody as being extremely inactive. That person was eventually killed by a vigilante and flipped scum. We looked back on past interactions with that person and saw that people had called only him out for being inactive, even though there were others who were just as inactive as he was, and then they never really followed up on their supposed suspicion. Of the four people that brought him up, 3 of them have been lynched/vigged and all three have flipped scum, lol. Oops on their part. The key was that those interactions didn't feel natural -- they were obvious attempts at distancing, or to set themselves up to look pro-town if the town decided to lynch that person for being inactive.

So what you should do then, is look back and Thomas' and Soccerboy's interaction a decide whether or not it feels natural to you. Do you think two mafiats would go out of their way to prearrange some weird conversation about who karma-rated who? Well if it makes them look town, they would probably do it, but, do you think Thomas and Soccerboy would think to do something like that? Do you think they would risk screwing it up and having people be suspicious of them as a result? To me it looks like a real conversation, but that said, you can't rule either of them out. If one of them dies and flips scum, then I guess you could use it as a reason to lynch/not lynch the other, depending on whether or not you felt the confrontation was forced.

But yeah, I think, in general, what you're looking for is just, things that feel unnatural or forced. I like to call them "weird vibes" (tm). Sometimes it's hard to really present "weird vibes" (tm) as a case to lynch somebody, so the best you can do is just vote for your suspicions, state some sort of reasoning, and then get them to respond. Depending on how they react, maybe you'll be convinced that you were seeing things that weren't really there, or maybe others will start to see what you've been seeing. I'm still upset that I wasn't able to get Jell lynched in the previous game. It was really obvious to me, lol, and I still don't know how the rest of the town didn't see it.

As much as it pains me to agree with Thomas, thus far I'm getting the most weird vibes (tm) from Yuggy. It's posts like "I could be wrong though" that made me suspicious of Nebneb early on in the last game. Of course you could be wrong! If you're town, you can't be sure of anything except your own role and alignment, right? So then, why did you feel the need to stress this? It doesn't feel natural, to me, for a townie to need to say something like this.

Unvote, Vote: Yuggy

The mafia had a full week to talk before the game started and you think they don't have any kind of strategy planned? Doubt it. Why do you think Soccer or I would be lynched when I asked for random votes, not serious votes?

Shos, what do you think of jell's accusation above?

Well at least I tried to get jell lynched! Nobody wanted to lynch him because he's staff. What do you think of jell so far in this game?

well, it does seem that you are a mafia veteran. note the size of your post, and all in all, you just kept going on and on, rambling about the thomas-soccerboy discussion, which really hasn't been so major to deserve 75% of the post. It's like you're trying to distract us from something else. and while doing that, you put a VOTE, not an FoS, on yuggy. yuggy already has one vote on him; so are you trying to prevent someone else from being lynched? you gave some reasoning to that vote, but in my opinoin in these last three pages things have been said that are far more 'wierd vibes' suitable. note that you unvoted thomas; so it's now a tie between thomas and yuggy. so my guess would be that you are the most fearful creature of all - a smart scum. and you voted thomas at first to make us think; but now you changed it to Yuggy, because you don't want thomas to fall. therefore, I will break the tie once again, to keep yuggy here. he seems legit. and also, I'd vote you, because, as I said, smart scum and stuff? but it'll be stupid to give the first vote, when I'm suspicious of the two of you. since thomas does have 2 votes, it'll be wise to vote him and not you. much more useful. and it also watches my back, lol, less chances to be lynched?

also, In the post right here above me, Thomas mentioned the week of the mafia before the game? Is it me or this information was not published to all of us? I may be new to mafia, but i'm not stupid. I read the rules, nothing mentioned such a week. Moreover, you said that you never played mafia yet. So that's it, I'm pretty sure you're mafia now.

so.

Unvote.
Vote: Thomas
FoS: CSD
FoS: Thomas
Uneverything: Yuggy

Hang on, just because I feel like it:

Vote: Shos

For forgetting to capitalize the first letter in most of his sentences.

*sigh*, lol, that's funny, considering how I just unvoted you

it's the hour, the reason i'm not capitalizing. it's 3:35 am, and I had a quantum mechanics test today, trying to improve from my last try which gave me 78, and the test was so horribly hard, that today felt like !#%!#^

CSD is voting Yuggy because of his scummy actions which CSD explained and why. Why would CSD want to stop someone from being lynched when nobody is close to a lynch at all?

It's basic math. Role pm's were sent on September 5th and the game started on September 12th so it was a full week.

Shos, I still want you to answer this:

as I said, the reason csd gave was so weak that it might justify a FoS, but not a Vote. that's why I thought that. and being 'close to a lynch' is not what he was, but he was the 'closest' to a lynch, so..

about jell's accusation, well, it's my first mafia game, so I started by writing what I thought, I even tried at the start using my game's name (which apparantly nobody, at all, has said, although I can't see how this matters) which is Mr. Carnody. anyways, I had no reason to be 'scared', as jell stated. that was before I even knew what FoS is, before anyone voted, before the game started, the way I see it. it seemed to me that jell just gave a try for the random voting stage, and tried to add some new conspiracy to justify it. I cannot yet tell anything about jell's alignment, tho.

about that week, since I'm not mafia, I did not know the mafia board was opened for them. I don't even know how they know who they are, so well, you understand my claim about you being mafia.

now the way I see it, there's gonna be at least one person saying that in the last paragraph I gave overcompensating details, which is usually a lie detector. well here's some extra reverse psychology for you! but oh! is it reverse reverse psychology?! or reverse reverse reverse?!?!?!?!

lol, this is awsome (am I still spelling the word wrong?)

I am not lying. I'm sitting, but I also mean that I did not lie, lol. *sigh*...I mean I told the truth dammit, why do these words all spell the same?!

*sigh* but this really doesn't mean anything, cuz I can't say anything else of course...saying I'm lying would cause a paradox, or a lie, since I'm sitting...

I'm having fun writing this post, it makes me laugh and no, I'm not trying to make you forget the start of the message. in fact, I advise you to read it again. off to bed now..

Ok, I see now.

Unvote : Shoe