Hey I'm actually not the spammer of the chatbox anymore!

Wrong smilie

I wish it were..

You enjoy spamming?

I think dando got the dud of the week with the '-rate this post!' post. where is it?

Random poll with total 8 votes.

No but I enjoy being the person with the most chatbox posts. It makes me feel, I dunno, special. Or something.

That's true, I forgot about that. But I kind of feel like the fact that every single nominee on that topic was a dud vote was special enough to get in over Dando's experimental post.

Also, if it's any consolation, cedric, you still lead second place Silver 431-299 in total chatbox posts since I've started keeping track. Honestly, the best thing for the chatbox is that we have a good variety of people being dominant posters. If the same person is posting in the chatbox all the time, then it's not going to be very interesting to read the chatbox, because variety is what makes the chatbox interesting.

Dang, I thought I'd at least make get myself on the bottom of the chatbox scores this week. Doesn't really matter though, maybe I'd find more satisfaction in being a chatbox hermit like Jell...

Yaya, you haven't really ever came close to be honest. You have to account for 5% of total chatbox posts to make the list. This week you got 1.98%. The week before, 0.71%, and the week before that 1.43%. With that said, you've been very consistent in your chatbox posting.

The person who just barely got left out this week was Soccerboy, who had 4.46% of this weeks chatbox comments.


Also, am I the only one who thinks there is are too many people -1ing posts just because they have a +1 rating, and they don't think it deserves a +1 rating? I've partially noticed it because at least twice in the last week it's happened to me, but I've even been seeing it occurring to others at larger frequencies than I consider normal.

Isa explaining to cedric why I made a poll featuring only my 2 avatar nominations, as well as cedric's original complaint(although, I guess I can understand that to a certain extent, because from my viewpoint, he was questioning my motives for the poll, but misread(I assume) my post and appears to have assumed that I was trying to decide shos' avatar using only my avatars. But even then, I still think that it would be better to instead just +1 Isa's explanation post instead). Dando's interpretation was -1d at +3(not like she needs more karma, but another example, nonetheless), some art picture by silver, Cedric's suggestion for shos' avatar. The list could go on and on.

I think you guys are a little too jumpy with the -1 button. You should only really use it to punish people if they do something really stupid or annoying, and perhaps if you feel very strongly that some post doesn't deserve any positive karma(or if you feel it is vastly overrated(see: Jell copy+pasting a really long joke off of some website, post receiving +12 karma).

Why? Negative karma is supposed to signal that someone did something wrong. As such, if you see a -1, and you don't think they did anything wrong, I have no problem with you +1ing that post. Positive karma on the other hand, I feel is more intended to represent someone viewing your post positively. If you like someone's post or agree with it, you should go ahead and +1 it. It then more reflects that someone approves of that post. If you -1 it in retaliation, it should say that you disapprove of that post, because I think that's how it is going to come off to most people when they see that they've been denied the approval of someone else. Do you disapprove of Isa giving cedric a proper explanation? Do you disapprove of Silver making art for her topic? Do you disapprove of Dando trying to provide a witty interpretation of my avatar nomination? Do you disapprove of Cedric's proposed avatar?

You could say, "Well, I don't actually disapprove of it, I just don't think it deserves any karma. It should be at 0"
But then that also tells me that you think your opinion is more important than that of the person who +1'd the post in the first place. You think that a post deserves no karma at all, but the other person thinks it's worth a rate. Even though your original position was to not rate this at all, now it is to -1 it, because you don't like the current status of the posts' karma. This is similar to when someone gives your level an 8/10 rating, but someone else, thinking that it deserves a 7/10 rating, rates it a 6/10 because they feel like a 7.5/10 average would be too high.



So to sum up: My personal opinion is that you guys should only -1 posts that you actually think deserve negative karma, because you're suffocating the opinions of others when you -1 posts that have positive karma when you don't actually think that it deserves negative karma(with a few rare exceptions, like things that you very much disagree with, but wouldn't -1 [ex: because you're having a constructive argument], and extremely overrated posts. I think Dando's post was reaching the point where it could be argued to be overrated, but I still think that one was a little bit early). On the other hand, though, I could be the only one to think that my argument and logic makes sense. But at least I do back it up. I looked up my last 5 -1ed posts:

Rocketboy spams the one post topic
Thomas' ill-advised/poorly worded post to silver
Jazz being a troll
Neezles being a troll
Neezles is still being a troll

Well said!

And I guess by that note that people should try and refrain from just going and giving a +/- karma to a post with a lot of the same karma already. Like, say, giving a + karma to an already +12 post.

People really need to think this kind of thing through. (Admittedly I'm not actually very good at that, but I do try.)

E: I guess the proper term is bandwagoning?

Last I remember, you were on the other side of this discussion glad to see it changed lol. too bad I have no time to finish my cave for the break the rules comp..

Actually, I think you have it backwards. I remember getting into an argument over that with someone, but as I remember, it was because someone thought that my rate (and/or the average rate) was way too high, and rated the cave much lower as a result, even blatantly saying that they didn't actually think it deserved such a low rating, but that they were instead just assigning it that rating because the current one was too high. I took exception to that person's rate.

I tried to look this up, but no luck...

Said argument: http://www.interguild.org/levels/index.php?id=3637

on another note about karma...
the biggest factor here is in the art thread.

almost every art piece i've seen there has like 1-3 + karma.
no one ever really -'s art since that's saying it's pretty bad.
also, not many people really visit there (assumption)
so i'm guessing it's like:

Cedric posts graphics.
Silver and Darvince +1.
Silver posts graphics.
Darvince and Cedric +1.

and so on...
not trying to call you guys out but i'm not exactly sure who else goes through the art thread...

http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/topic.php?id=6565&page_number=15
specifically this page... every picture has 1-3 karma.

but also... http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/topic.php?id=6565&page_number=14

i'm surprised they do long strings of artwork in one post.
none of them would care if they quadruple posted...
and likely they would get +2 for all of the posts.

I think I started doing that AFTER you. but I may be confusing stuff about karma/levels, I'm pretty sure I was on this side lol.

You may have been on that side before, but I'm pretty sure that I never rated a level really low because I thought it was rated too high, or at the very least, I'd be very surprised if I ever did; I've generally always been too positive of a person to do stuff like that. I've (now and pretty much always before) hesitated to rate levels below a 7, just because I view below a 7 as a failing grade. Just the way I've always rated.

What if I agree with a lot of one person in particular's posts, and +1 all of his?

And normally I would've -1'd you because I personally think +3 is a little too much, but after reading your paragraph about +1ing someone's post that you agree with, I don't know whether to -1 you or +1 you so I'm just not gonna do anything.

That's up to you. If you really think that your agreement of that person's post is strong enough to call for a +1, then it seems reasonable. But if you're just +1ing lots of posts by one particular person because you like them / you often agree with what they say, that can be interpreted as karma spamming if you're just piling lots of karma onto them.


But my post wasn't really aimed at informing you when you should +1 posts. It was more informing you guys on when it is appropriate to -1 a post. But I feel like that hasn't really gotten through to you fully ("And normally I would've -1'd you because I personally think +3 is a little too much"), so I'll reiterate what I'm saying, and hopefully make it a little bit more clear and better sounding(I wrote that late last night, not so good with long posts when it's 1am).

The point of the -1 button isn't to keep people from gaining too much karma, it's to punish people for when they do something wrong. So basically I'm asking that you guys stop using it to prevent other people from gaining karma. There is nothing wrong with a post having +3 karma, so there's no reason why you should -1 a post just because it has +3 karma. The "It has too much karma" stance only really works if it really is heavily overrated. And I think it has to reach around 6-8 karma before you should consider taking action, and you should probably only take action if you firmly believe it deserves no karma at all. If you think that it deserves positive karma, but just less karma than it has now, just don't karma rate it. But let the other people who handed out the karma express their opinions.

Yeah, Quirvy I get a lot of the "get +1'd then get -1'd" posts. But usually someone either just +1's me again or I move on because like Dando, I don't really have a need for more karma (unless I want to crush puny Isa), I can understand how it'd be frustrating to other members who still have normal amounts of karma though.

I'd call myself a slight offender of it. I've only done it 3-4 times and not in a while (I think), and it's all been on the Art Thread, lol. I thought it'd make some sort of difference to the infinite amount of karma that get's pushed through there, but I just gave up (I do not claim to suffocate their opinions; most of the art on there is not an opinion statement, lol). I'm with Soccerboy, though; why does almost every post containing a picture someone made on that thread get +karma? You guys are better artists than me (I'm in a good mood today) and all, but if I still bothered giving out any sort of karma on that thread, it'd only be to super-amazing works. Can't you guys just complement each other instead of +1ing? I never -1'd the art to say, "Herpherpderp, I don't want Silver/Darvince/Cedric to gain more karma" it was more out of "*sees every picture has +1*, man this looks borderline karma spam" if that makes sense. There no real solutions to this problem (if you call it one) besides becoming a karma hermit like Jell and giving one rate a month; it's all people's opinions and it's not straight up spam. The Interguild would be a much more happier place though if we just -1'd stupidity and spam.

And upon realizing that I'd basically need around 30 posts in a week to make the chatbox standings, I give up for now. I could only achieve that number by having multiple legitimate conversations in one week, yet I have no desire to talk about hockey, weather, Minecraft, or PMs.

By the way, I MADE this picture *crosses fingers*:
  

I happen to love spaghetti, so plus one for you.
That's not even a joke. Seriously, spaghetti is awesome.
Now I just wonder who's gonna counter karma me? Some spaghetti hater, I'm sure.

Thing is that I too have a slight feeling Quirvy once was at the opposite side of the spectrum for this.

I know that I've OVERrated levels at infrequent times (Pangaea springs to mind), but that was to counter what I really believed was a vast underrate by a sole member.

In other news, common sense with the Karma button is tech

All I'm saying is that some of you appear to be -1ing posts just to prevent someone else from getting karma, and that I don't think you should do that for reasons stated above.

I totally agree with Yaya and soccerboy(who apparently edited his post without telling anybody... ) about the Art thread getting loads more karma than it really needs. Karma is feedback, and you guys are giving positive feedback to artwork created. But it really feels like karma is being handed out too freely over there, and people like Silver and Cedric or anyone else who posts there reap the benefits of posting artwork, while everyone who doesn't make art must earn their karma the old fashion way.

And I feel like that is part of what influenced me to complain about you guys -1ing all of these posts in the first place; in the art thread, it seems like you're expected to receive karma if you post there, yet outside of it, people often take issue when certain posts receive karma. I feel like if you're going to give out karma so willingly in one thread, you shouldn't act so authoritarian about what posts get karma elsewhere. But even without that, it is a belief of mine that you shouldn't -1 posts solely because of their positive karma rating.

Yes, I agree that karma gets handed out too freely in the art thread. It gets a bit obvious when, for example, a bunch of silly, sucky and stupid scraps that don't really deserve karma get karma. Sometimes I think people just give out karma there because it's, well, art. So it makes a little sense that people get the need to -1 those scraps, because, frankly, they don't seem to deserve it.

But then you get some real good art, like, say Cedric's CG effects (I'm a little biased towards those though, because they pretty much blow me away and are amazing, but I'm just using them as an example here). It gets karma because people like it and it's, well, good art. And then people go and negate the + karma for it, and that doesn't make any sense. It's good art, people like it, they + karma it, that's OK. But then people just go and -1 it just because the art has + karma... are you kidding me?

Really, people need to start thinking about their karma and if they should -1 or +1 it. Seriously, some of the art over there gets +1 or +2 (occasionally +3 but that's a rare sight) karma, which makes it a lot WORSE when you -1 it just because it has + karma. +1/+2 is a VERY small amount, especially compared to those posts that become +15 monstrosities. It doesn't really matter if you -1 the latter kind of post because that doesn't make much of a difference, but in the art thread, where good art really only gets +1 or +2 karma? That's actually very different, and can even be mean in a few cases, ESPECIALLY if said piece of art had a lot of effort put into it.

There's been a bit of complaining about this in the chatbox, and that gets annoying too. But do you know why there's complaints there? Because of the way people are handling the karma in the art thread. Again, most good art there gets ONLY JUST +1 or +2 karma!

My point is that if you see a piece of good art with +1 or +2 karma, and you object to that, don't go clicking that -1 button! LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE! People like that piece of art, they karma it, so what? It's not like the world is going to end anyway if a post there gets a lot of karma. If the world WOULD end, it would already have. So I suggest DEALING WITH IT, and also learning how to manage your karma a bit better.

This is all just my personal opinion, of course.