Where would you place him right now on a scale from 1-10 (1 being not scummy at all and 10 being very scummy).  

Though I think that scale is fairly silly I think 2 because I think he is not really very scummy at all, but I'm not sure of him being town either.

Vote Count 2.3 (unchanged)
Yuggy (1) - Thomas
Harumbai (1) - Yaya
Shos (1) - Jellsprout
Thomas (1) - Jorster
Yaya (1) - Shos

Not voting (5) - Harumbai, Quirvy, Shavey Dave, Soccerboy13542, Yuggy

With 10 alive, it's 6 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 30, 06:00 AM Interguild Standard Time.

@Thomas
Quirvy didn't just wait until the lynch was inevitable, he waited until the lynch was already done. He only voted after Harumbai had already cast the final vote needed for the lynch. He had also made several posts after the wagon had already started, so if he actually wanted to lynch Jazz he could easily have voted earlier. At the moment Quirvy is one of my major suspects.
Also, even if you don't trust me being Hated, just wait until the end of the day to cast the third vote on me. It won't hurt Town. If by the end of the day it turns out that at 3 votes I haven't been lynched yet, you simply cast 3 more votes. However, if you decide to pressure me mid-day and bring me to 5 votes and it turns out that I have been telling the truth, then you lose a Town and the entire day. So play against me how you would always would, just try not to get me over 3 votes until you actually want to lynch me. Only scum can benefit from it.

@Shos
If you would just have told you were only stump for a single day from the very start, all of this would have been avoided. You wouldn't have been primary target for the Town and you wouldn't be any higher priority for the scum than normal. All you have done so far is lying to protect yourself without helping out Town at all.


So far these are my suspicions (I have double checked to make sure everybody is on this list this time):
1. Shavey Dave - Scum read. He doesn't contribute much to the game and appears to be very picky about which wagon he joins. Like how he joined the Soccerboy wagon without hesitation, but then refused to join the Joster wagon. He did vote for Jazz, but that was only after Shos told him to, possibly to get him to bus. It appears to me Shavey knows stuff we don't.
2. Yuggy - Null read. He doesn't do very much this game at all, but isn't so inactive to become suspicious. It is difficult to judge him. As the fourth voter during the Jazz wagon, he was also voting at a time where the lynch was probable, but not yet certain, so it is difficult to judge him for that either. His actions can be interpreted as both Town and Scum, so I am really not sure where to place him.
3. Shos - Scum read. He lies at every opportunity to save his own skin and hasn't been helpful to Town at all. Heaviest scum reading in the game.
4. Quirvy - Scum read. I repeat what I said earlier, Quirvy only seems to be pretending to be himself. For the most part he seems convincing, but there are a few moments that don't seem natural at all. His lack of participation in the Jazz lynch until after it was final is also scummy. From what I've seen in earlier games, Quirvy won't be so easy to sway his opinion. If he suspected Jazz was scum, he would have voted for him earlier. If he suspected Jazz was Town, he wouldn't have voted at all and would instead have scowled us for the wagon.
5. Yaya - Town read. Yaya was early in the Jazz lynch, before that wagon had more momentum than the Jorster wagon. I find it unlikely for scum to hop on the wagon that early when it was still easy to push for the Jorster lynch instead.
6. Soccerboy13542 - Slight scum read. Soccerboy didn't have a chance to participate in the Jazz wagon, so we conclude much from that. However, so far Soccerboy is the only confirmed Role Block. There was only one Night Kill this night. I still think there is a Serial Killer, because otherwise Town would probably be too powerful with all the power roles everywhere, so one of the kills must have failed somehow. A Role Block is one of the possible explanations, so I am slightly suspicious of Soccerboy.
7. Thomas - Town read. Thomas is the guy who started the Jazz wagon at a time there was no reason to. So it is almost certain he isn't Mafia. He could still be the SK, but I don't suspect he is.
8. Jellsprout - ...
9. rocket guy2 Jorster - Slight Town read. It would have been too risky for him to lie about his role and then claim to have targeted a random person. If that person did have his Night Action go through, it was game over for Jorster. He could have claimed to target his scum partner, but if that were the case I expect Soccerboy would have claimed his action was stopped. That would have been safer for both.
10. Harumbai - Null read. Harumbai didn't vote until the lynch was inevitable, though that is possibly because Harumbai simply didn't access the Interguild earlier. Other than that I don't really feel anything from Harumbai. He doesn't really seem that active, but I don't know if he is just trying to avoid attention.

My current prediction is either Shos and Shavey Dave as our Mafia team and Quirvy as our Serial Killer or Quirvy and Soccerboy as our Mafia team and Shos as our Serial Killer.

1. it doesn't matter if I looked less scummy. I'm not trying to 'look townie', I'm trying to prevent town from making mistakes, and furthermore, I'm trying to lynch scum.

2. as long as it did not hurt the town, it does not matter. if a one-shot vig shoots and then claims vig(not one shot), is that a bad thing? no, because it will proabably catch the mafia kill, and therefore prevent mafia from shooting other, REAL town powers. oh but he lied, then that's bad? luring the mafia is ok, but luring the town is not. but you can't know who you are decieving either way. such a vig would lie to town as well, you know.

3. I could have, yes, but then the mafia would kill me, thinking that I'm an experienced player with a power role, which is as I said, probably strong since it took a day to start(also, here is me WIFOMing the mafia members ). saying that I'll get out of stump-positioon in day 2 or 3 does not matter to town enough to change their decisions; especially if at the start of day 2 they'll find out. and I'm not stupid, I knew it will be tested.

4. crap *I* have caused? for gods sake, is it me who writes the votecounts? you can't really be saying that~

5. if you didn't get it yet, the best for town is NOT me dying, it is scum dying; it's like self hammering as town. how can it possibly be good.

if you think what I did was wrong and hurt town, give me one, just one scenario, in which town can be in a bettter position that it is right now.

what did I do that did not hurt the town? how bout me getting the mafioso Jazz killed instead of Jorster?



@harumbai: meh, that's why I'm *suspecting* you and not *voting* you. I'd be voting Jell for what thomas wrote, but I see he posted later so I'll comment and then see.


woah, good that you mentioned it, I did not remember that. was gonna vote you, lol.
as I said earlier: if I were mafia, and I'd see a power role for town that only gets to start working after one day, I'd think it could be a forensic investigator, or something alike(a FI examines a body and sees who targetted it through the whole game) - i.e. a very powerful town role. So yeah, I figured I *would* be mafia primary target.
and once again, if you can give me any scenario in which town would be in a better position that it is now, go ahead.


sort-of agreed on the first two, but hey, what? lies at every opportunity??? I lied ONCE and IT DID NOT HURT TOWN.
sort of agreed here as well - I talked about this too earlier - the jazz vote. but he is a weak scum read for me.well got nothing much else to say about these. I agree about thomas being town. nothing special about the others yet.

well, after looking for a tad I see that it was indeed thomas who voted jazz first. Then Jorster joined the counter-wagon and only then I started pushing.



so yeah, thomas gets more town points, and my argument above is a tad weaker, but really, that's only a tad. the only talk about jazz before was 'lynch jazz' by thomas and the vote by jorster, which really isn't of any use since it was a Counterwagon.


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also, I think I wanted to tell Q this, and forgot: a 1v1 is when two people say things that contradict each other; in that case, in 99.99% of the cases, at least one of them is scum, and so it might help.

@Jorster: you said your action was successful. BUT, that doesn't mean anything. can you actually use an ability now?

@Jell I do know stuff you don't. However I am town allined.

By the time I got off last night, Shos' posts were still of questionable quality, so I figured it wasn't worth asking him till he got on an actual computer, which didn't happen until deep in the night. I'll go for the formal approach now, just for you:

Dear, Shos

Why do you find me suspicious?

                                         Love, Yaya

Also ,not exactly the best thing to say Shavey. Can you tell this stuff? If not, you'll probably get piled.

I need to go to bed, but I wanted to say that just because the town didn't lose out Shos, doesn't mean that your lying paid off. It was coincidence and I do not find your defense that nothing bad happened reassuring.

The point of my role is that I have a quick topic where I can chat to another member. If needed I can tell you what me and the other player are called.

I mean what are roles are called btw.

@Shos - I don't know if I absorbed anything until Night 3. I think I've gone over this

I suspected that you were just sensationalizing this to build an argument, but regardless this is still BS and getting on my nerves. If you were to use common sense, you would realize that I was going to be the lynching vote, but Harumbai ninja'd me. In fact, when I first started making that post, you hadn't even changed your vote to Jazz. So clearly I was just waiting for everyone else to finish voting before I would cast my vote, right? because that was totally my plan. Or did you think that I took all of 3 minutes to make that entire post, and that I was just lying about being ninja'd because I wanted to delay my voting for as long as possible? At least shos had the decency to acknowledge that I was "supposedly" ninja'd. I'm not going to argue about what he said because his take of it was accurate. You on the other hand... It's like you didn't even read the goddamn post. You just saw that I voted after Harumbai and was like, "obvious scum"

First you say that I'm pretending to be myself, and then you claimed that if I was myself, I would do something completely out of character. I don't vote often and I will probably continue to not vote often because that's how I learned to play in the only game I've ever played in. (But clearly that's just me pretending to be myself, right, jell? If I was really being myself, I probably would have adjusted to your crazy new super-voting playing style, right?) I only vote when I'm sure that I want this person lynched. And I was definitely not sure that I wanted Jazz lynched, I was split between him and Jorster and it wouldn't make sense for me to have voted any earlier (consider any earlier to be right before you changed votes from jorster to jazz)

Sorry that I don't conform to your standards of early and constant voting. I have some choice words in general for you for that complete garbage that you've been spewing at me, but since this is a family friendly website you'll be spared of it.

I don't. I could find out using my mod powers, but I feel like that would be ruining the integrity of the game, and generally staff members aren't supposed to use the karma panel to look up who -1'd them anyways.

So does the other player know of this ability, Shavey?

Unvote
Vote: Quirvy

Overreacting much? I gave my reasons to suspect you, as I have done for almost everyone in this game and you immediately go berserk. No, you are most certainly not playing like your normal self.

Quite frankly I'm just PO'd at all of the garbage that I've had to put up with so far in this game. Shos calling me naive and my posts completely useless early in the first day, shos claiming that my typos are not typos and that I need to be lynched because of them. And now you're saying crap like that which indicates to me that you're not even clearly reading the posts that you're basing your accusations on. I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of this game. I played this with the intent of having fun, but it's hard to when you're being called naive, and are constantly having to put up with accusations that you shouldn't even need to because they're flat out wrong. I'm particularly surprised to see it come from you, jellsprout. I assume that you simply misread my last post from day 1, but even so, that "You're not acting like yourself" "If you wanted to vote for jazz, you would have voted for Jazz much earlier in the day" bit is completely contradictory.

I don't mind being accused or suspected of being scum, but I'd prefer that the accusations be legitimate rather than garbage like that. Take notes from shos in this instance:
this was well stated. It is accurate to the events that happened, and the speculation following it isn't unreasonable.

This is not accurate to what happened. You're speculation is based on an inaccurate recalling of what happened.

I don't know if it really is true that it only takes 3 votes to lynch jell, but he's definitely telling the truth about being hated right now.

Ability? Me and the other player both use the quick topic to chat as we are neighbours.

You probably shouldn't say anything else unless you're at L-1. When I meant "can you tell this stuff", I wasn't asking you to roleclaim, lol.  

oh, cuteypie. I do not find you so suspicious. my vote was for pressure.
lol, town didn't lose OUT, that is not nearly what I said, despite being true. what I am saying is, that not only did it pay off for me - I'm still alive; but also, town appears to be in the best possible condition it can be now. except of course if we could prevent that NK, but that's irrelevant for now. If you think I hurt town in any way, say how and be answered. if you don't, then why would it not be ok? who cares if it is coincidence?

something just popped into my mind:
Jell, you said you were Hated. is that for the whole game or just for today like my stumpness?

was there really any reason at all for you to claim? seriously? why on earth would you say that?
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Dear yaya,

        You are now suspicious for provoking an unneeded claim.

                       Sincerely, Shos.


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@Quirvy:
You said you started posting before JELL changed his vote, which was done roughly half an hour before you post. did it really take you half an hour to write THAT? mm...compare with: typo discussion.yo man, chill, it's a game. people can use whatever they want to accuse you, even if it is to see how you respond to it. ragequitting is not a fun thing, but hey, your rage for now satisfies my thoughts about you. being town accused of something that you think is complete bulls, is ANNOYING AS HELL. well, you got annoyed, you got RAGING, you're not experienced in thsi game - all these together shout you're town.

Yo Isa, I don't remember who I am voting right now, but if I'm voting quirvy, then UNVOTE. if not, disregard the unvote


You are currently voting Yaya. /mod

Yeah, coming back to this a few hours later, I probably shouldn't have lashed out at jell like that. It just gets very agitating when it feels like you constantly have to explain things that you shouldn't have to.

Yes. Since we aren't allowed to edit our posts, I pre-read my posts to attempt to make them flawless. Especially in that case, because I was responding to something that annoyed me (you claiming that it wasn't a typo), so I had to go through it and make sure that I didn't go too overboard with the rage or something (I don't think I did that check in my last post aimed at jell, and I probably should have). I also got ninja'd many times, and each time I considered parts of my post to edit, and did so on a few occasions.

Only for this day. Something about Sarah Palin Ads.

Yeah, that was my bad, Shos. I was just trying to ask a general question about his role, not the whole enchilada. I wasn't even that demanding...

"my bad" won't cut it. You were role fishing. Scum points to Yaya.

@Thomas - I don't think that he did that on purpose... Shavey RC'd for no reason