Also, Mr. BS-my-way-through-the-game is coming back today and he will go through some serious interrogation. He very well could have been Jazz's partner.

No, those 3 he imaginary voted for were Jell, Shavey and me:


A couple pages later, after you made the vote, he did support lynching jazz. But he didn't exactly single him out:

Oh, I must have read "Jell" as "Jazz," lol. So then shos is claiming to have done something he didn't do to try to get town cred. It's like how Jellsprout said you did something that you didn't do.

What exactly are you referring to here? The fact that Quirvy didn't vote in the Jazz lynch until after it didn't matter anymore, him changing his mind halfway through that wagon or him acting sarcastic during the beginning of the first day? Because from what I remember, Quirvy did all three.

@jellsprout
I'm talking about this.

Vote Count 2.11
Harumbai (2) - Yaya, Thomas
Shos (2) - Soccerboy13542, Jellsprout
Soccerboy13542 (1) - Jorster
Thomas (1) - Shos
Shavey Dave (1) - Harumbai

Not voting (3) - Quirvy, Shavey Dave, Yuggy

With 10 alive, it's 6 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 30, 06:00 AM Interguild Standard Time.

Side note: I'm making some more or less indepth comments about the game state and such in the graveyard topic. I hope that you read through it after the game/your death because I believe it could prove to be useful for future games. Feel free to PM me if you want me to write about anything specific in there.

If this wasn't clear, I posted my post about thomas *already* knowing what I later told you you know, so that really doesn't change a thing~

is there a reason you specifically choose to defend Yuggy here, and not soccerboy which is exactly the same case, or others, which I wrote? that part of my post was so unmeaningful that I can't help but wonder about your posts following.

Thomas voted jazz for 'being bad' and not contributing, and mentions in the same breath Shavey; I'll add to that half the people in the game, but that's just my opinion.
anyway, the next post by thomas is pushing against harumbai; and the next is a restatement of the very first one, saying lynch jazz.
then I bring evidence of Jazz lurking and his last post; thomas tells jorster how his vote on jazz is bad since he has done the same. then yaya votes as well, and jazz says he did not intend to lynch at all. THEN, I posted that pic. funny how you all seemed to ignore that little fact; I was the one giving an actual case on Jazz's lurking and well, the fact he's asked for a claim just for the gag. what did thomas to there more than me? all the difference is that he could vote. don't sell me that bulls, I know how the game went by.

finally, before I close that tab, you can see that *your* only contribution there was giving the L-1 post right before other "two" votes came up, and your reasoning is that he 'did not help town'. nothing about the claim, for example. and you even managed to distance yourself from the vote a tad there with that post.

also while going through that day I noticed that I crumbed quite a lot that I might be lying about my role~

and if you're interested you can reread the interchanges between me and jazz thorugh the whole day.
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the next paragraph of yours in page 11 day 2 is something I will not answer. when the time comes I'll gather it all for you to be lynched.

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oh come on, why would you be talking to aliens, or even just rant, in THIS topic. you're the kind of guy who actually goes to profiles to see last activity to see if people are hiding; you're the kind of guy that sends pms about certain stuff, that can dig out very very specific postss from like page *insert random number here* of random chat or something. you're definitely not the kind of guy to rant in the mafia topic. if you had something to rant about, you'd do that in the chatbox page, as you always do.

also I remember jell saying something about you not having time to post or something - not sure where it was, but uh, that post does not say 'I will be less active' at all, it tells people to pm haily, and that's it. so that crap is not going to work.

thomas, I'm expecting some real good reply or something to this

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@Q: I was trying to derail the jazz wagon? wut? to you? wut? wut?

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lol thomas, that's jell, not jazz. on D1 I wasn't adamant about anyone so much. only when jazz said he didn't intend to hammer, was it the final obvscum feeling.who.?yer..could you quote the part of the post you're talking about?..it's kinda big you know~

I don't have time to completely catch up right now (a lot of new pages), but I am back from my school trip now so I can hopefully become active.

I don't see how that was pushing for a Harumbai lynch or "pushing against harumbai." I didn't even straight up call up scum or anything. It's like how you thought jellsprout was suspicious of me at the end of D2 in mafia #3.5.

You also failed to mention that I pushed for Jazz's lynch. You only made your "case" once Jazz's lynch was inevitable. I made that post to push for the lynching of Jazz before you posted anything. You are talking out of your ass, shos.

I said I could be talking to aliens to show you how random your accusations are. I use the member list if I want to see hidden people but I don't really care or do that often, anyway. I don't know what sending "pms about certain stuff" has to do with this. I dunno. You don't know what's going on here. I heard Haily was playing video games all week and he didn't bother to do something that takes about two minutes to do and keeps me from ranting, lol.

The post was about ranting, not being unable to post so I have no idea what you are talking about??

@shos because people have been taking soccer's trip into account, but have seemingly been ingnoring the fact that I have been inactive because I physically have no internet.

Oh come on. You are really just paraphrasing here. And you know that later would be when I got back from the trip I just went on.

Also shos, a little hypocritical. You vote Thomas for that bolded deadline thing and then say that in 99% of all games you've played mafia can't talk in the day.

same thing. point is that it's not like you focused all your might and mind for hunting Jazz.
inevitable? are you kidding me? Jorster was still at L-1 when I started, and it was only yaya who changed votes when the second part came in, if I remember correctly. inevitable, come on.

also, I can't be bothered right now to officially warn you for language, lol. so keep the discussion level suitable.

thomas, my accusation is definitely not random. as mafia, it makes very much sense to try to communicate with partner(s) in certain cases; for example, setting that "as mafia rolecop, after I get results I'll make a post that starts with: A=cop, Why=JK, anything else=VT" etc. what you did here looks very very much like trying to talk to your mate. what a coincidence that exactly the words you bolded, related to the IC of course, fit wonderfully in mafia games?

my point in saying all the stuff you do was to characterize you as someone who definitely has the patience and ability to do things right, and it is VERY much unlike you to rant on a completely random topic about IC, and even worse - to continue that same post in the correct way as if you said nothing.

about that 'you not being able to post' - that is jell's idea, I have no idea what he is talking about either

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if we're already discussing this, how, in god's name, do you really dig those posts from topics with thousands of replies? I mean, the search option sucks seriously, so..how? O_o

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@yuggy: what's hypocritical? usually mafia don't have daytalk; but in light of this, I think this game is different.  

Well what else would I say about you? There's nothing else today except that you have barely contributed and lied about theese 'big posts'.

*to say.

I swear to god I will kill you auto correct.

I admit I was a bit hasty there. Nevertheless, even without the ninja Quirvy had still waited until the very last moment before voting for Jazz. Even though he discussed the case a page earlier, but apparently didn't think there was enough of a case to vote for Jazz then. What exactly happened in that page to make you change your mind, other then the lynch becoming inevitable?
This is in contrast with the previous game, where Quirvy would stick with his own opinion instead of going with the flow. If Quirvy actually thought Jazz was scum, he would have voted for him earlier.



I did. It is surprisingly absent. From what I saw, you two interacted only twice. Once when he joined in on your interrogation and the second time the two of you worked together to force a RC out of Jorster. I don't know what I'm supposed to look for here. That the two of you had worked together on probably the most scummy move in the entire game?



Bad reading ability. I saw it wasn't related to the game, so I skimmed over it and forgot about it.
But Shos, explain this. If Thomas is scum, why did he start the Jazz lynch instead of hammering Jorster? It just seems to me you are grasping at straws here to confuse everybody.

I think that this game quirvy has been quite consistent in 'not voting'. he seems to only vote at the reeaaaallll end, or something like that. count how many votes he used through these two days.



worked together to force a RC from jorster? what the hell are you talking about?? I layed down there the usual how-it-happens about roleclaims, to PREVENT a roleclaim coming out unnecessary. wasn't it you who asked what it matters if he's at L-1 or L-gazillion? how am *I* the one looking bad after that and not you?

you are now using wifom in it's purely original form. if he were scum, why wouldn't he bla bla. there are plenty of answers to this; I'll try to rally as much as I can before I leave which is 5 minutes away:

1. no will to hammer
hammerers always get *some* fire if it is a mislynch. *some*. it is always a 'should I?' since that is the only irreversible thing you can do.

2. he wanted to look town
the last game I lost was because one experienced scum(which fits thomas) played extraordinarily well, and did exactly this - he was already voting, and while I went from L-2 to L-1 he unvoted. why would he do that when he can just lay down and wait for hammer? we all had him conftown, and he fooled us all. (for isa - that was Tierce. no remembering that she's actually a she)

3. he did not think it would catch on
he thought, well while they mislynch, I'll be there, and I'll be able to take that to my side that I was not a part of the mislynch.

4. bussing gambit to look town(sort of extra to 2)
taking a gambit and starting a wagon on your partner - people will obviously miss your plan and you'll get bunches of town credit for this.

gotta go, will get more tomorrow or something

But you know I didn't lie because you know that I would be able to post more after that trip.

But you voted for him for something which you then said rarely happens, but I do agree that that was an odd post, why he posted that here is beyond me.

I still think it's unlikely a mafia member would start a lynch from nowhere on their partner, they could do but it just seems unlikely.

Oh yes, it certainly sounds like you were trying to prevent Jorster from role claiming and not at all like you were guiding Jazz into doing it for you. Especially in this little exchange:

But the problem with that logic is it can be just as easily legitimately interpreted in the opposite way- as in since the mafia don't usually have daytalk, that instance shouldn't mean anything. Though in all these lengthy defensive posts, Shos did make a point that caught my eye.

Why hasn't Quirvy voted all of D2 (to my knowledge)? I know I was called out D1 for not voting much, but isn't Quirvy's case even more drastic? I mean I've only voted for one person so far D2, but I still stand behind my vote. Just because you vote somebody, it doesn't mean you two are instant enemies or that person is destined to be lynched. Are you really that much at a loss about who we should lynch today or is there another reason?

And Jell has a point that Shos/Jazz's exchange looks like double teaming.I looked through the pages previous to that and had trouble finding a post where Shos said to wait after an RC, I imagine I'm paranoid and it's actually in there, but maybe it was discussed in a pre-game mafia talk or something (Shos, could you try and find this post I'm talking about?)?

My playstyle differs greatly from the vast majority of the you guys; I generally won't vote unless I'm pushing for a lynch/hopping onto a bandwagon that I support, or maybe if I want to start pressuring someone who I think looks might suspicious. So far today, it's been too early to push for a lynch, and no one that I'm suspicious of has done anything suspicious enough for me to vote for them. When I vote, it's going to mean something.


My thoughts on this jell attacking shos attacking thomas thing is simply that I still think they're all town. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to if shos ended up getting himself lynched today; he's definitely creating activity, but it seems to be at his own expense. Hopefully that won't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

Also, when is soccerboy going to be back from vacation, already? I hope we don't have to go the entirety of day 2 without him properly participating in discussion

He said it was two weeks so he probably won't be.

Yuggy make a list with every player in the game and your stance on each player.

No it's not the same thing. If you answer a question on a math test and it's off by .000626 then do you think you will get away with saying "same thing"?

Jazz's lynch was inevitable once he said he asked for a claim when he didn't intend to hammer. All you did before that was link to his last post. Do you think that that was a case? You didn't even make a case after; you posted the following:


I'm not even going to respond to this. There now a crazy contradiction. I thought the mafia had daytalk, shos?



1. My vote was already on third spot on the Jorster wagon. I believe it took 7 votes for a lynch to occur.

2. Oh, so now you refer to me as "experienced scum" when I've only been scum in one game? If I'm experienced scum after one game then Silver must be professional scum.

3. I wanted it to catch on.

4. Same as #2.

stop misrepping me; I said that I was trying to prevent UNNECESSARY roleclaims, not roleclaims in general.

@yaya: jell quoted that post just one post before you.

for anyone who said there that it looks like teaming up with jazz, I think that's just stupid. Jazz actually tried to blame me for his actions later, linking me with 'I just did what he told me..', in case you didn't notice. Also, I thought that it was obvious that if someone claims he has intention to hammer, he should actually have it. my posts there were just sort of roleclaims 101 - A) if you want someone to claim, they should be under hammer threat, otherwise there is no reason for them to claim and it'll hurt town; and after the role has been claimed, let the people discuss it, don't just instahammer-since-he-already-claimed. I thought that was necessary, considering the way Jazz played as JOAT last game.+1

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actually yeah. and considering the amount of math tests I've taken, I think I'm quite an authority about that anyway - stop focusing on the wrong parts of the post. "point is" is what matters more, not 'same thing'.
that happened only *after* I joined you. after he said that he indeed doomed himself, and therefore nothing else needed to be added, just being happy enough to actually google bandwagon to add a nice pic with it. that link to Jazz's last post was a supporting detail to what you said about him if you didn't get it - all your reasons to lynch him was that he stays under the radar. so what I did was irrelevant?

yes, and in case you didn't notice, I wrote that I think you tried to get your partner to visit the quicktopic. a replacement should be: "yo scumbuddy! go check our quicktopic! I've been talking there for like 3 days and you're not answering!! DEADLINE is soon!"..

..why would you bold deadline in the first place, even if you *were* talking about IC?

your answer to 1 would relate somewhat to 3; you didn't think it'll catch on, and you did think that the jorster wagon will be hammered even without you.
2. lol @ silver and stuff. but firstly, I have no idea about your mafia resume, and even so, I think I've learnt to respect you enough to think of you as a someone-who-is-able-to-do-elaborate-stuff.
3. posting the same thing twice really doesn't show anything you know. it's not like you had a case, repeatedly tried to convince people that jazz is scummier. what you did was basically riding on what I did; I pleaded witha ll my might that people not lynch jorster. but they really had nobody else to vote. as the only counterwagon, I can hardly see why jorster waited all that long to vote jazz, lol; then yaya posted some case on jazz and jazz slipped his real intentions.

4. same as #2.

smiley should be a B ), lol

He might be able do this at lunch time.