I forgot he was lynched, and he posted in the dando thread, so I thought he was lurking. not such a big deal. then he posted in the chatbox
"Shos, I'm dead"

and Isa quickly erased that since well, he shouldn't have said anything related to the game in the chatbox.


@Q: I don't follow who is on vacation and stuff; but even if he is on vacation, he should not just come and vote the biggest wagon with clumsy excuses. look at Yuggy's posts till now. they ARE few, but they aren't bad. definitely not the 'most suspicios' now. no, I'm not going to correct my spelling.

Vote Count 2.7
Yuggy (2) - Thomas, Soccerboy13542
Harumbai (1) - Yaya
Quirvy (1) - Jellsprout
Soccerboy13542 (1) - Shos

Not voting (5) - Harumbai, Quirvy, Shavey Dave, Yuggy, Jorster

With 10 alive, it's 6 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 30, 06:00 AM Interguild Standard Time.

This is a direct rephrase of what I just said then no more Info from yuggy.
I don't see what makes it bad to vote for Yuggy. You just did and then you forgot to unvote. Makes me wonder if you even concentrate on who you are voting for. Also presumably you want pressure on yuggy because you think he could be scum, why vote for him if you think he isn't? And isn't it possible that that was what soccer was doing too?

Lots of people vote others to pressure them and see what sort of reaction they get.
Shos really explained here why he was pressuring Yuggy by voting him, but I think that's ineffective. When most people get voted on, their first instinct isn't to vote the person who voted them/vote someone else, it's to defend themselves and attack their opponents's claims. This isn't really anything important, I just think Shos approached a situation badly again.

He seems to be doing that a lot...

Yes I know but to want to pressure them you usually have something you are already suspicious about them from (Forgive my terrible english). It just seems stupid that Shos is allowed to vote Yuggy on a whim and Soccer isn't. I also don't like how Shos takes an authoritative tone all the time when he does things like that just as much. He didn't even give a reason for his vote at all. Is that better?

I agree in general with Harumbai regarding the way shos has been acting in this game. This was probably my favorite line from this game so far:


That said, I don't really think shos' behavior is really a sign that he's scum. To me he seems to be acting overconfident and a little reckless. If anything I think it's a sign that he's town. Him asking Jazz to contribute more would certainly seem to indicate so; if he was mafia, I don't think that he would forget that his teammate was dead.

Okay, here are my thoughts on everyone still alive

Jellsprout - Thomas pointed out that he forgot to put Jazz in his list when he went through everyone; I don't think that he would have made that oversight if he was partners in crime with Jazz. Town

Shos - As stated in previous post, town

Thomas - As someone said a while ago, he was one of the first people to push for Jazz' lynch, while everyone else was ready to put the 7th vote on jorster. Town.


Jorster - It's possible that we could have had 2 mafia simultaneously on the brink of being lynched, but jorster to me just seems like genuine town guy.


Soccerboy13542 - He's acted pretty strange and hasn't contributed much. I put him in yesterday as one of the people I most genuinely believed was town. I'm not as confident in that currently, but for now I still have him as leaning town/independent


Shavey Dave - Before today he'd be further down on the list; it seems like he's been mostly talking without saying much, as if he was just posting so that he wouldn't be yelled at for being inactive and lurking and such. But he basically roleclaimed without being asked. So to me he's leaning town

Yaya - the thing with him and shavey definitely seemed suspicious, but I still feel like it was a misunderstanding, and if he was scum, I think he might have backed off sooner than he did. He's leaning town, but not by much.

And then there are suddenly only 2 people left on my list: Yuggy and Harumbai

Neither of which I feel much of anything about. Harumbai's posts have been pretty much flawless. Perhaps even too flawless. Yuggy on the other hand, I just don't have a feel for. He's posted here and there. I remember that he voted for me because he thought I was acting "uber-defensive", but apart from that, not much else comes to mind. He had an active role in the momentum shift from the jorster bandwagon to the Jazz bandwagon, changing the vote counts from 5-3 to a 4-4 tie. Harumbai on the other hand abstained from being part of the Jazz bandwagon until it was pretty much inevitable that he was going to be lynched. But Jazz was playing pretty horrifically in this game, so it wouldn't surprise me if his teammate decided that Jazz probably wasn't going to make it to sunset, and wanted to get in ahead of the curve to make himself look better. So Yuggy doesn't gain too much of an edge from that.

My view on Harumbai is a bit hypocritical; if I had to choose one person to lynch right now, no questions asked, it would be a tough decision, but I'd probably choose Harumbai. Yet at the same time, I don't feel that I could ever win an argument against him where I accused him of being scum. There's just no solid evidence pointing to it. But then again, there's not really any solid evidence pointing to anyone right now and I don't think I could win that argument against anyone. And I had the same feeling (albeit stronger) about jellsprout on the final day in the last game I played, and he was indeed scum.


Harumbai is my lead suspect, Yuggy runner up. Anyone below jorster I wouldn't be shocked if they turned out to be scum. Anyone Jorster and above would be a surprise to me, though.

Just my .

If Harumbai is your suspect then why aren't you voting for him?

I really need to post my analysis... I'm still not on a computer, and I'm not going to try and type something like that on this stupid touch screen

Ninja'd by Thomas, but it doesn't matter.

And Q, if Jell was, in fact scum, the. Him leaving Jazz's name off the list would make them not associated... Also, didn't he just copy and paste the mod list of players? If so, I think it would be hard to copy it in two parts accidentally.

Voting whenever I'm suspicious of someone has just never been my style. It didn't work like that in the first game I played, and I just never adjusted to the new style during day 1, so this is kind of just how I play.

This is also why after the RVS passed, I didn't vote until I tried to put in the final vote against jazz, but was ultimately ninja'd by Harumbai.

I'm just putting my thoughts out there for others to see, instead of doing something like:
I feel like that would just be silly.

(@Jorster)As for Jell, it just looks bad if you leave someone off of your list. I don't think it would ever be done intentionally, and if he was teammates with Jazz, he just wouldn't forget to mention him, because as a mafia you'd specifically think about how you would give your opinions on your teammates or something like that. I mean, there are always crazy possibilities with stuff like that. For example, shos could have pretended to have forgotten about Jazz being killed, to make it seem like he's not connected to him. But from observing the 2 mafia games I have, generally people don't have the foresight to do crazy stuff like that.


If any of my post seems confusing or doesn't make sense, that's probably because it's 2:30. I generally try to avoid posting stuff like this after 1am, but me coming to the conclusion that shos was very town inspired me to compile a list of everyone and stuff. I'll try to avoid posting this late in the future.

Okay I got some emails that I had to respond to so I'm not gonna write this right now. I will do it later today for sure.

Quirvy, I agree with you about Yuggy and Harumbai. There isn't anything particularly scummy about them, but something just irks me.

you CAN vote people even if you don't think they are scum if you know that this vote is not going to get him lynched(or nearly lynched). that is called pressure vote, which can be used to produce reaction, provoke activity, etc etc.


"forgot to unvote"? what? I not only want to pressurize people who are scum; I want to pressurize everything I can, lol. the point is to get reactions and be able to figure out who is what. knowing 100% who are the scums is exactly the same as knowing 100% who are the towns.

and soccer wasn't doing it too. he gave very bad 'reasons' for his vote, including the word 'possibly' to give him a chance to retreat, and in addition, he voted and then went away. DAT IS BAD.



..*in need of more activity*..

that's exactly the point! I had nothing to support my vote. if he would ask me why I was voting him, I would ignore it and see how he keeps responding. soccerboy did NOT do that. if you vote someone for voting, that's OMGUS, which is bad. if you vote someone for the REASONS he is voting, that is legit.

I'd like to push this as well; I think that the incident that thomas pointed out was a big one. especially with the fact that there was a quote between so as to further away 3 from 5.

*reads your next post* well yeah it could be slightly WIFOM. I'll choose to think jell is scummy tho.
what do you think about soccerboy? you seem to be ignoring that..?

Seeing how has apparently been on vacation, my opinion on him hasn't changed much since my analysis, except that I am now more annoyed with him.

However, it is good that you bring it up because it reminds me of a theory I had that I explained briefly in that analysis post.
I am sure there is an independent Serial Killer. Otherwise Town would be too overpowered this game. However, there was only one kill last night. So the most likely options are that both Mafia and SK targeted the same guy, that one of the targets was protected, that one of the kills was blocked by a role blocker or that I am simply wrong and there is no SK. I don't find the first option to be too likely and I don't think the last option is true either. So I think that means either one target was protected or one of the killers was blocked. The first option doesn't tell us too much, however the second option does. That is because we already know of a successful role block. We know that Jorster has blocked Soccerboy last night.
When asked if this was true, Soccerboy claims that he doesn't have a role with night actions. While this is very possible, it is also possible that Soccerboy was lying because he is scum. In this case it would be far safer to claim no role than to claim something that could be verified the following night or that could lead to a counterclaim situation.
So from this deduction, I think Soccerboy might be scum. However, this deduction makes many critical assumptions, so I the suspicions are only very slight.

I don't think the town would be overpowered without an SK. we started as 12, that's a start, and that's even. next, well, we all ahve roles, but they can vary as Isa likes, and it doesn't necessarily make us too powerful.

Yeah, I wondered about that too, but I think Jell might be going under the assumption that there are only 2 mafia members, but he just didn't state it.

He never claimed to have a role with no night actions, just that he didn't make one that night. Just clarifying.

And Shos, you are still full of it (and by 'it' I mean crap). You just went for the vote on Yuggy with no reasons other than he posted right after being mentioned which has no substance. You assume that Thomas was also putting on pressure and then assume that Soccer wasn't.

Vote: Shos
For being suspicious and having stupid arguments consistently.

Now is that putting pressure on? Or something 'Bad',

Because we should all stayed glued to our internet source all the time /sarcasm.

I don't get you sometimes Shos. Can you please link me to a page of Good and Bad mafia playing strategies because I feel like these are being made up on the spot.


@Quirvy; I see what you mean about Shos should not forget his partner being dead (In a scum scenario), but I like the version of things where Shos' flawed arguments lead to him being scum so I shall ignore this for the time being as this is not a complete saving grace.

Also I would like to see a post from Thomas that consists of more than two lines at some point.

I do have a night action. I did not use it. I will not say any further, as Shos will just try to make a pointless bandwagon on Jell for forcing a claim. Unvote: yuggy
Fos: shos

Dang this is hard to type on. I promose that when i get access to a keyboard and wifi that i'll post more.

Sorry for double post but i wanted to make sure that i wouldnt lose connection before i at least made one post for the day. For reasonings for shos, he lied about his role, lied more about his role to protect himself further, andattempted to wagon yaya with bad reasons. I might post later tonight, but for now i have to go.

I can give you a very nice link that might explain stuff to you.

Removed link /Isa

This is an ongoing game so don't talk about it, but it examplifies to you what 'pressure' means. I'm only talking about the first 4-5 pages if you're actually willing to read.

about that yuggy vote: that fact is not the reason I voted him. if that was, I'd vote in the same post, and not 4 hours later. that was purely a pressure vote.

Thomas' vote clearly states that he suspects yaya more, lol. that was not such an amazing assumption I did, you know.
and about the assumption related to soccerboy - do you think, in any way, that yuggy is probably the most suspicious guy in the game?

not...sure..what you're saying...

so you think I'm a scum who makes a thousand of stupid things and then...you vote yuggy, because he's the most suspicious.?

Ok I get you now and I had forgotten that Thomas said his main suspect was Yaya.

Unvote

Finally a straight answer . Now based on what you had said before;
FoS: Soccerboy

Shos is warned for discussing ongoing games, will edit the post when I get home. Once more, that is a modkill.