why does everyone just assume there's an independent?

I figure that there are only 2 mafia, and Isa doesn't want the town to have too much of an advantage, so there's at least 1 independent.

why not 3-9? it's been a very common setup in the past of Mafiascum, apparantly. and Isa was there before me, so who knows

Vote Count 1.13
Jorster (6) - Jellsprout, Snipereborn, Yaya, Yuggy, soccerboy13542, Harumbai
soccerboy13542 (1) - Shavey Dave
Jazz (1) - Thomas

Not voting (4) - Shos, Jazz, Quirvy, Jorster

With 12 alive, it's 7 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 14, 06:00 Interguild Standard Time.

Because this isn't mafiascum. The mafia has dominated the interguild games. Of the 3 games that I've seen, the mafia has won all 3. (I didn't see the one where they won, but apparently Isa thought that the mafia was underpowered, from reading the end-game). Look at the last one; 3-1-9, and the mafia won as fast as they possibly could. It would be foolish to take away the independent (who's a threat the to mafia) and one of the townie's voting abilities for the first 2 days, and think that the mafia wouldn't have an advantage in this game.

If we have 3 mafia here, either they've been given weaker than usual roles, or we're probably going to get crushed and I personally would be surprised to see the mafia fail. So right now I think we've got 2 mafia and 1-2 independents and the rest town.

god I hate not being able to edit. Parentheses should have said that I didn't see the one where the town won

firstly, I'm gonna autovote you for this scumslip: because it means that you are not in the town, and also, it means that you reread anything you post, which is something I do only as scum.

secondly, content-wise: in the next game which you missed, the town won; I almost did it alone as mafia there with that kooler absence, but nevermiind. in the last game, Jazz literally obliterated the town's efforts there; he was a JOAT who self hammered day 1, taking out an amazing amount of power from town.

anyway- this does not matter. If I made an interguild-related game, I wouldn't think about it in any different matter than a MS-related game.

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your idea does make sense in general - about the 2-1-9 setup, but I don't think it is helpful to assume it.

2 things shos: First of all, that typo implies that I'm talking about the mafia winning the game because I had previously mentioned them, so it would be implying that I'm not in the mafia.
Secondly I'm speaking in third person there because I wasn't in that game. Would it make sense for me to say "I didn't see the game where we won" when I wasn't actually in that game and couldn't claim ownership to being part of the winning party? No, that would be stupid. Your idea for a scumslip is stupid and you are acting stupid, again.

And I didn't even re-read that post, I just noticed immediately after that I had made a typo by glancing at my post. I pre-read and re-read posts lots of times, but that's mostly because I want to avoid making typos, and it's not limited to the mafia game. I caught a typo yesterday in my random poll post right after posting it, so clearly I'm obvious scum outside of the mafia game, too, right? You guys should rush to my house and lynch me IRL because I'm clearly up to no good.


And I didn't say it was helpful dammit, you asked why some people were assuming that there was an independent and I answered your question with why I was assuming there was an independent. If my answer to your question isn't helpful, then don't ask the question in the first place. This is exactly what I was talking about earlier when I said you were annoying me, it's stuff like this garbage and assuming that a typo clearly means that I'm scum, that makes me think your really goddamn annoying to talk to.

Shos, you are making absolutely no sense at all. You are flinging accusations around at everyone in the game without giving any feedback. Even against people who everybody agrees is most likely Town (such as Harumbai, Quirvy and Sniper), you still try to rally a lynch against them without giving any reason to what-so-ever. And when you do make accusations, you are merely grasping at straws. Quirvy is Mafia because he rereads his posts? You have also been encouraging people to do anti-Town behavior all day, such as trying to get us to say what names we had send to Isa, or convincing Jorster to Role Claim at that point. You are not helping the scum hunt at all, you are just blocking  it.
I hate the role that Isa gave you, because there is nobody in the game I want dead more right now than you. I just pray that our Vigilante is smart enough to kill you.

I am not convinced by Jorster's role either. I still think he is scum, though I wouldn't mind a different lynch if you guys can convince me.

Jorster's role seems sort of convincing... but how do we know if he's even telling the truth?
His role involves something that doesn't take place until now (such as Shos' role where we could see he was telling the truth of not being voted).
I don't believe that anyone will end up doing any actions against him because he roleclaimed that, and no one will attempt it at the risk of them not being able to use their action until D3.

I do not believe Jorster's claim.


About Quirvy, I don't see why a typo means scum...?
Reading his post, I was confused. He explained it, now I understand it.

@quirvy:
no, that does not imply you talked about the mafia; you said that mafia has one 3 games, and that you cannot find the game that "they" won, meaning you found 3 mafia-won and 0 town-won, meaning you meant THE TOWN as THEY, meaning you are not in THE TOWN.
saying 'we' is not what I ask, but saying 'town' is more natural, imo.
that is not a type and not something that you just 'notice' if you don't read that sentence. that really doesn't make sense to just 'notice' that, imo. there's a difference between that and making a typo. a typo is writing 'instaed' instead of 'instead'. a typo is not writing 'oh my god' instead of 'dear buddha'.

@jell:
firstly, why do you assume that 'everybody thinks that bla bla is town'? this game really hasn't been going on so much; harumbai barely posted - what makes you think he is most likely town? and you know what, even if people do think he is town, why should I think like that? sheeping others is not the way to play mafia. thinking is.

why is saying what names haven't been picked a bad thing for town? and where did I convince jorster to RC? all I did was put down the general 'rules' regarding roleclaims - saying when it should be asked for, when it should be supplied, etc. and about quirvy - the rereading part is a supporting detail, the main point is the 'they' reference.

about me not helping the scumhunt - what? people here got a good case against Jorster, which I supported; but then he RCed, and since then, I do not want him lynched. therefore, unless we want a nolynch, someone else has to go. in my eyes, that is bad, since really, half the players in this game have been giving us just one-liners or just generally active-lurking, and the other half just sheeps others or pushes against me instead of actually trying to read. If you haven't got to that conclusion yet - I'm just using my 'power' not to get lynched yet to help provoke at least SOME discussion here. inactivity is pro-mafia; and in this rate we're going to have a perfect loss, especially with people willing to lynch a roleblocker just because he claimed.

about Jorster - what mostly made me think he is scum was the combination of all his reactions to stuff. There was always the option that it was the other way around - but 'so many' times where it's either scummy or confused - caused me to support his lynch. when he claimed such a role - which is actually quite fitting for Isa to make - and I doubt he is faking it. since this game is sort of a role madness - everyone has a role based on the pm they sent - that makes the claimed role very powerful, too powerful to be mafia imo.

If I could, I'd vote quirvy for that scumslip alone; the "I do not want jorster lynched'' part supports it as a good alternative of course. so yeah.


ninja'd by soccer, will respond in a sec to prevent superwall

well we don't know if he's lying or not, that's for us to choose. but I think that inventing such a role is quite a feat, and I highly doubt such a detailed role will be invented day 1 when there are no confirmed roles to compare to.

since the "I don't believe" till the "D3" - I think you misunderstood here. jorster said that he chooses the target whose role might be absorbed.

about Q, who do you mean by 'he', lol. me or him? and what are your thoughts about it?

Oh darn. Totally misunderstood that.
If he gets to choose, this looks like a total power role o.o



Why would this matter to you? If no one does the last hit, we'll never get a lynch.
If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't be worried about this.

For the record, shos, I corrected myself because in the  "Of the 3 games that I've seen, the mafia has won all 3. (I didn't see the one where they...)" implies that they = mafia, so I wanted to correct myself so that it wouldn't be confusing. If I had previously referenced to the town so that it would imply that I was referring to the town, I wouldn't have changed anything. If I hadn't previously referred to the town, I wouldn't call them "they" because that would be out of context, even if you could figure out who I was talking about. So that was in fact a typo and your argument is kind of invalid, unless you'd consider this to be equally as scummy: "Of the 3 games that I've seen, the town has lost all 3. (I didn't see the one where they won)"

And if you really think that's scummy then your argument isn't even worthy me arguing.

*"Because in the sentence "Of the 3...""

@SOCCERBOY, eh sorry caps


i'll respond to Q in a sec

annnnd I'm back.
you're trying to make an argument using english grammar, lol. think common sense for a sec:

you said you didn't see the one where *someone* won. 'the one' means that there is only one game of such traits. that means, that the someone is town. you couldn't possibly be refering to mafia there, and therefore you were refering to town, as you corrected later. but still, that 'they' is not what i'd naturally write.  

lol, took me 14 minutes to get that done XD was like, a sentence, back to MSN, a sentence, back to MSN..

Do you seriously want to lynch Quirvy because of a grammatical error/poor wording/rereading his posts? To me Quirvy's post just seemed like he was still accidentally referring to the mafia (in English, you usually mention something by name, then you can refer to it as "it, they, him, them". I didn't think Quirvy could be referring to the town in that sense until you spazzed out. Rereading the post, I guess it could be interpreted wrongly, but it just seems like a real simple mistake to me.

Normal people do reread their posts before/after they post them, know. We check for spelling errors, grammatical errors, and make sure the 1st letter of each sentence is capitalized (no offense), lol. Sometimes a typo just glares at you after you post it. A lot of times, I'll preview my post, see it's good, and then notice an error as soon as I press post. It happens. I'm open to lynching someone besides Jorster, but you should probably start with somebody who isn't pretty much an established townie already.

you made me laugh with the capitalization

anyway - as you said, english-wise, he'd be talking about mafia; but that DOES NOT MAKE SENSE with the context!
*sigh*

also, an established townie...? since when?

Which is why it was a typo. I don't get why this is so hard for you to grasp

How about you actually TRY lynching someone else instead of just saying "I don't think there's time." Lynch Jazz. Look at how to stays under the radar then intends to hammer one without any thoughts, etc.

I agree with Jazz. He didn't contribute to any of the discussion regarding me, and then just says Jorster RC or I'll hammer. Thomas has a point.
Vote: Jazz

Edit:I agree with Thomas about Jazz

THAT is a typo. what you did is not a typo, it's a completely different thing.