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Vote:
7 - Jorster23 (Isa, Thomas, DeathBunni X, Harumbai, Bmwsu, guyguyxtreme, Dando)

FoS:
5 - Jellsprout (Silver, Guyguyxtreme, Dando, Yaya, Jorster23)
5 - Thomas (Isa, Guyguyxtreme, Dando, Yaya, Woodstock)
4 - Isa (Harumbai, Soccerboy13542, Jorster23, Dando)
3 - Jorster23 (Isa, Yaya, guyguyxtreme)
2 - DeathBunni X (Harumbai, Dando)
1 - Silver (Thomas)
1 - Woodstock (Isa)

With 7 votes, Jorster23 is lynched.

It is now Night 1.
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Isa
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:10 pm EST
No. I'm an octopus.

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'Thomas' said:
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Periodically throughout the day I will post vote counts. If you would like me to post an updated vote count, say so, and I will if I can. I forgot to mention this before, but along with voting you can also "FoS" (Finger of Suspicion, I think -- I've never actually checked that that's what it means) and "unFoS" people, to let them know that, at the least, you're finding them suspicious. Please bold these as well (FoS: Livio, for example), as I will post them along with vote counts. Unlike votes, you can FoS as many people as you like, but they don't actually have any affect on the game, other than officially making your suspicions known.
It does not say need to need provide a reason for your FoS and that was not random....


It does raise suspicions though, and they're not in your favor.
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:25 pm EST

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'Isa' said:
'Dando' said:
But I'm waiting until I've seen everybody post before I come to any conclusions. A page and a half of the same people posting isn't much to go on. At least not until I've gained some perspective.  


I'd like to point out how passive this approach is, and is pretty much avoiding conflict and accusations. I hope you'll continue to post, or I'll have to point my suspicious fingers towards you.

I didn't say I wouldn't post or that I would avoid conflict. I said I'm going to reserve my judgement of who I think is Mafia until after I've seen what everybody has to say. You seem to be one of the more suspicious people at this point, but I don't know if that's because you're part of the Mafia or if it's because you've just done more talking than most other people. That's why I'll wait to see.
Isa
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:26 pm EST
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Point taken, Dando. I misinterpret your post.
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:42 pm EST

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FoS: Isa

We can have as many Fos's as we want so why not use em?  



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Isa
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:44 pm EST
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I think most people are restricted to either 8 or 10, depending on whether you count thumbs as fingers or not.
Isa
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:45 pm EST
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No edit forces double post

I'd defend myself, but you didn't state why you're suspecting me, so I can't do much about it.
soccerboy13542
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:46 pm EST
~*~Soccer~*~

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Un-FoS:Thomas
FoS: Isa

No reasoning really, Isa just seems suspicious...


'Livio' said:
You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me.
Yaya
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 8:55 pm EST

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Just because I Fos'd you, doesn't make me have an assumption to whether you're Mafia or Town. I just believe you need to be watched closely, for 1. You know a lot about the game. 2. You have been doing a lot of the talking. You may argue that you're just posting a lot cuz you know lots about the game, but I'm just suspecting something deeper going on. Whether you're trying to see who would side in the event of a lynch with you or who is getting jumpy at being accused/accusing.



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DeathBunni X
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 9:01 pm EST
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When we get to the actual voting this will be hilarious.


  
Isa
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 9:07 pm EST
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Again, that's not something I can defend myself against, so I have no comment to that, except for that I know that I'm playing a high-risk game by being active and slightly provocative. I'm not surprised that I've got a lot of votes tallied against me, but I'm not worried.

I did a count of all the votes so far.

FoS:
Isa - 4
Bmwsu - 1
Jellsprout - 1
Silver - 1
Thomas - 1

Now, with that said, I am going to bed. Nighty night, fellow citizens.

---

The ninja filter showed Yaya's post so I am replying to it.

I am not posting a lot because I know a lot about the game - I am posting because I want to make people expose themselves. That can't be done if we're just waiting for things to happen. Throwing around accusations without motivation like Thomas, you, Soccerboy and others may have done recently does nothing to help us figure out who the Mafia is, though, it just shows everyone that you're suspecting this or that person for being a Mafia (which, essentially, is what the FoS does).

There's nothing wrong in being active, on the contrary I encourage everyone to post a lot.

But on the other hand, who do you see as the biggest threat - me, or someone like Thomas or Jorster who hasn't made any kind of impact on the game yet, and maybe won't in the future either? The one you can analyse, or the one that is completely silent? It will be way more dangerous for us to kill of the ones that we can check and analyse on multiple levels, while someone who rarely speaks can only be analysed based on how that person has voted. That is not enough for an accurate vote.

So in order to stir up more activity...

FoS: Thomas

I'm not accusing Jorster yet because he hasn't logged on after the real discussion started.
Isa
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 9:07 pm EST
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...which also increases the Thomas FoS count to 2.
Yaya
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Thursday, December 16 2010, 9:20 pm EST

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I think I'm gonna shut up for a bit and watch these frustrating debates from the sidelines. Feel free to FoS me for not commenting on stuff or something...



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Thursday, December 16 2010, 9:30 pm EST
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'Isa' said:
So in order to stir up more activity...

FoS: Thomas

I'm not accusing Jorster yet because he hasn't logged on after the real discussion started.
Just to stir up activity? I have not said much because I feel it's too early to accuse somebody right off the bat. But I am suspicious of two people now....
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Friday, December 17 2010, 2:34 am EST

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Un-FoS- Jorster

Because CSD has confirmed it is all random.

I'll probably abstain from voting the first day.
Isa
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Friday, December 17 2010, 2:52 am EST
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Technically speaking, you never made a FoS at all, so there's nothing to undo. =p
'Thomas' said:
'Isa' said:
So in order to stir up more activity...

FoS: Thomas

I'm not accusing Jorster yet because he hasn't logged on after the real discussion started.
Just to stir up activity? I have not said much because I feel it's too early to accuse somebody right off the bat. But I am suspicious of two people now....


Indeed you are, but you're not sharing your thoughts on the matter as of why you are suspicious, making you more or less worthless for the rest of us up until that point.
FlashMarsh
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Friday, December 17 2010, 3:55 am EST

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FoS: Silver
FoS: Thomas

One of these two is likely Mafia. Why? Because neither came up with a defence for their FoS. I am especially suspicious of Silver because of FoS'ing someone in self-defence. This could be to avoid a mafia lynch. As for Yaya's FoS on me, is agreeing with soemone not allowed?
Harumbai
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Friday, December 17 2010, 5:00 am EST
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'DeathBunni X' said:
When we get to the actual voting this will be hilarious.

FoS: DeathBunni X

DBX is probably pleased that no one is suspicious of her, but that changes now!


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Friday, December 17 2010, 8:19 am EST

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Vote Count

FoS:
4 - Isa (Jellsprout, Harumbai, Yaya, Soccerboy13542)
3 - Thomas (Silver, Isa, Guyguyxtreme)
2 - Silver (Thomas, Guyguyxtreme)
1 - Bmwsu (DeathBunni X)
1 - Jellsprout (Silver)
1 - DeathBunni X (Harumbai)

Note, Guyguyxtreme unFoS'd Jorster23, but he never FoS'd him in the first place.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: Dec 25, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time.
FlashMarsh
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Let's try and keep up activity in this thread. Has anyone else noticed that the starting amount is thirteen- supposedly an 'unlucky' number. Oh, and at the beginning I showed my suspicions against Jorster and SB, I just forgot about the whole FoS thing.
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Friday, December 17 2010, 10:22 am EST
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Unlike votes, you can FoS as many people as you like, but they don't actually have any affect on the game, other than officially making your suspicions known.


All there is to know about FoS's.

'Isa' said:
I did it because I suspected that CSD reasoned like I did earlier, but I also forgot that he randomized the roles. I also posted it to spark some activity that basically wasn't Random Chat 2.0, because if nobody would start a discussion relevant to the game, we'd have to guess by the end of the day on who's mafia and who's not, without having any clues at all. This way, we get discussions and accusations which can ultimately end up being helpful.

I've also played this game IRL, and it's not uncommon that the one who starts with the accusations gets suspected because of it. Accusing others is the least safe you can do, and I kept that in mind when posting. I feel secure that you won't vote for me, because your argument isn't really solid. If it worked, why would anyone cast any accusations, or even say something related to the game at all?

The really dangerous persons though are the silent ones, because they don't have a pattern that you can analyse. Killing one of those is pretty good in general, because if they die, you're not losing out on any activity.


This is true. The best way to avoid suspicions is to make people forget you. Draw as little attention as possible to yourself, and nobody will even consider you when voting.
However, you know this. Yet you still raised the first FoS. You are experienced in this game, yet you still put yourself in the spotlight. Why is this? Could it be, that you planned this all along? You knew that you would be called out on it sooner or later. So you could give your "Accusations raise suspicions, but I already know this, so my accusations would mean that I am not suspicious at all" speech. People would realize how you know too much about this game to make such dumb mistakes, so they won't suspect you at all! You can't outchess me, Isa. I've still got my finger on you.

Wait a second. Everything I've posted applies to me too.
FoS: jellsprout


Spoiler:
Isa
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Friday, December 17 2010, 11:01 am EST
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'jellsprout' said:
The best way to avoid suspicions is to make people forget you. Draw as little attention as possible to yourself, and nobody will even consider you when voting.
However, you know this. Yet you still raised the first FoS. You are experienced in this game, yet you still put yourself in the spotlight. Why is this? Could it be, that you planned this all along? You knew that you would be called out on it sooner or later. So you could give your "Accusations raise suspicions, but I already know this, so my accusations would mean that I am not suspicious at all" speech. People would realize how you know too much about this game to make such dumb mistakes, so they won't suspect you at all!

'Isa' said:
I also posted it to spark some activity that basically wasn't Random Chat 2.0, because if nobody would start a discussion relevant to the game, we'd have to guess by the end of the day on who's mafia and who's not, without having any clues at all. This way, we get discussions and accusations which can ultimately end up being helpful.

That quote basically sums it up. I didn't like the fact that we had 6 different posters that wouldn't try to spark the discussion required for a Mafia game, and somebody has to take the first step. I feel experienced enough to do so.

I'd like to phrase it like this: I am experienced in the game, THEREFORE I put myself in the spotlight. I feel confident enough to defend myself while supplying theories about the others, backed up by sound statements. I'm not as sure if everyone else can do that.

Now, being the first one to cast accusations doesn't mean that you're a Mafia, as we've already ruled out. It doesn't mean that you're a villager either, however. In fact, it means nothing about your role. What it does mean is that that person is not afraid to cause controversy and take a slight risk (especially with inexperienced players - no offence to anyone), but that's about it.
jellsprout
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Friday, December 17 2010, 11:15 am EST
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I know, I am just trying to keep things interesting. This day will last 8 more days. I can get everybody to hate me now, and everybody will have forgotten about it once the voting actually starts.


Spoiler:
DeathBunni X
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Friday, December 17 2010, 3:57 pm EST
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Vote: Isa

For everything everyone else said


  
Isa
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Friday, December 17 2010, 4:39 pm EST
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So, because I am acting suspicious?
Isa
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Friday, December 17 2010, 4:40 pm EST
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I'd also like to point out the difference between a vote and a FoS, in case you made an error.

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